E250 temperatures

[Carl R. Friend]

    On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, r.stricklin wrote:

> On Apr 13, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Bill Bradford wrote:
>
>> I thought prtdiag was in Solaris 2.5 - look in
>> /usr/platform/<platform>/sbin/.
>
> Not on sun4c.

    That's what I figured.  I looked about on my SS2 and found
precisely *no* hint of "prtdiag" except, interestingly, in the
man pages.  Go figure.

> While we're pasting in console excerpts [...]

    And that's as good an excuse as necessary.  Let's see how
obscure we can get.

    ----

CLIX System V Release 3.1 2700 Version c.7.6.27   Made 04/30/00

System Type:  2700

    UNIX Board Type:  MSMT128 Rev 0
    Graphics Engine:  None

    SR Bus Hardware:  As shown below
       Slot 15 - MSMT128 Rev 0, C400-I/IO Engine is present

Node compiler
Swap space = 300000 blocks

Buffer cache max = 14234 buffers

Total real memory = 134217728 bytes
Available memory  = 115355648 bytes

Copyright (c) 1993 Intergraph Corporation - All Rights Reserved
Copyright (c) 1989 Lachman Associates, Inc. (LAI). All Rights Reserved.
Copyright (c) 1991 INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. All Rights Reserved.
Copyright (c) 1984 AT&T

    ----

    The above is from a machine that I rescued quite some
years ago from an ex-employer (with thanks to same).  I've
since turned it into somewhat of a beast so I can help keep
the Kermit implementation for Intergraph Clippers alive.
I have an older one, but the "console" on that is the CRTs.

    This one's fun: the diagnostics are not Y2k compliant:

Clock/calendar
     32.6019 ERROR: Clock chip's year field is invalid

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[r.stricklin]

On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:38:29PM -0700, r.stricklin wrote:
>> IBM AIX PS/2 Operating System - Version 1.3.0
>> 5713-AEQ (C) COPYRIGHT IBM CORP. 1988,1989,1990,1992
>> LICENSED MATERIAL - PROGRAM PROPERTY OF IBM
>> nudnik
>> login:
>
> Nice!  What version of x11 did you get with that?

R5 is the provided version. It even has Motif. (@whee)

Next project: also an 8580, this time a -311. OS/2 1.3, front ending a  
7437 VM Technical Workstation. Probably VM/SP R5. Maybe R8. I'm not  
sure yet.

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[r.stricklin]

On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Carl R. Friend wrote:

>   And that's as good an excuse as necessary.  Let's see how
> obscure we can get.

No fair, most of my best stuff is in storage. (@:

Well.. I guess I have a few archived console sessions.

Continuing in the vein of the first:

AIX telnet (wankel)

IBM AIX/RT Operating System
Version 2.2.1 (C) Copyright IBM Corp. 1985, 1988
(/dev/pts0)
login:

And then...

02:08:28 DMKUDR476I System directory loaded from volume DIRECT
EOJ DIRECTORY UPDATED AND ON LINE
DMSACP723I B (222) R/O
02:08:28 PRT  000E STARTED    CLASS A    FORM STANDARD
02:08:28      000E MANUAL NOSEP NO3800
02:08:28      000E DEST OFF      DEST - NONE - DEST - NONE - DEST -  
NONE -
02:08:28 0008 VARIED OFFLINE
02:08:28 COMMAND COMPLETE
DMKOVR376I OVERRIDE COMMAND EXECUTED SUCCESSFULLY
02:08:29 AUTO LOGON   ***   GCS      USERS = 002  BY  OPERATOR
Personal/370 VM Initialization Complete.
Ready; T=1.00/1.60 02:08:29

Moving on to capital-W Weird...

:showme
USER: #S1,OPERATOR.SYS,OPERATOR      (NOT IN BREAK)
RELEASE: C.55.00   MPE/iX HP31900 C.05.08   USER VERSION: C.55.00
CURRENT: SUN, JAN 18, 2004,  6:52 PM
LOGON:   SUN, JAN 18, 2004,  4:49 PM
CPU SECONDS: 0         CONNECT MINUTES: 123
$STDIN LDEV: 20         $STDLIST LDEV: 20
:

Or maybe this...

Mach kernel version:
         NeXT Mach 3.3: Fri Jul  9 09:52:51 PDT 1999;  
root(rcbuilder):mk-172.3.36.obj~33/RC_hppa/RELEASE_HPPA

Kernel configured for a single processor only.
1 processor is physically available.
Processor type: HPPA (7100LC)
Processor active: 0
Primary memory available: 64.00 megabytes.
Default processor set: 41 tasks, 70 threads, 1 processors
Load average: 1.09, Mach factor: 0.02

Which is a long long way from this:

Mach kernel version:
         Darwin Kernel Version 9.2.2: Tue Mar  4 21:17:34 PST 2008;  
root:xnu-1228.4.31~1/RELEASE_I386
Kernel configured for up to 8 processors.
8 processors are physically available.
8 processors are logically available.
Processor type: i486 (Intel 80486)
Processors active: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Primary memory available: 8.00 gigabytes
Default processor set: 94 tasks, 517 threads, 8 processors
Load average: 0.50, Mach factor: 7.49


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[Carl R. Friend]

    On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, r.stricklin wrote:

> On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Carl R. Friend wrote:
>
>>  And that's as good an excuse as necessary.  Let's see how
>> obscure we can get.
>
> No fair, most of my best stuff is in storage. (@:

    No worries!  I was *not* looking for "instant gratification"
here.  The "good stuff" almost always needs to be teased out
from dusty corners!

> Well.. I guess I have a few archived console sessions.
>
> IBM AIX/RT Operating System
> Version 2.2.1 (C) Copyright IBM Corp. 1985, 1988

    Nice.  The oldest I can go is 3.2.3e, and that's pretty
painful.

> And then...
>
> 02:08:28 DMKUDR476I System directory loaded from volume DIRECT
> EOJ DIRECTORY UPDATED AND ON LINE
> DMSACP723I B (222) R/O

    OK, that's kinky.  Please forgive the ignorance -- what IS
that?

> Moving on to capital-W Weird...
>
> :showme
> USER: #S1,OPERATOR.SYS,OPERATOR (NOT IN BREAK)
> RELEASE: C.55.00 MPE/iX HP31900 C.05.08
> USER VERSION: C.55.00 CURRENT: SUN, JAN 18, 2004, 6:52 PM
> LOGON:  SUN, JAN 18, 2004, 4:49 PM CPU SECONDS: 0 CONNECT
> MINUTES: 123 $STDIN LDEV: 20 $STDLIST LDEV: 20 :

    Same as above.  WTF?  Other than not a lot got done in
the session.  ;-)

    Cheers!

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[Patrick Giagnocavo 717-201-3366]

Bill Bradford wrote:

> It has to do with the network LOM dropping off the network or suddenly
> no longer listening to the SSH port.  I don't want to deploy the machine
> if I'm not able to get to a serial console on it for reboots, patching,
> remote maintenance, etc.
I have to say, that is pretty shocking.  I once had a system that would
fall off the ARP earth, I set up a cron script on another machine that
would ping it every 3 minutes (machine was on the same LAN) and that
kept it alive.  Wonder if that would work for your situation?

> The machine is physically in Austin, and I'm 150 miles away in Houston,
> so it's not like I could just drive over to the datacenter.

Ah, I did not realize that.

> I've been working with engineers at Sun, and they've identified a bug,
> done a fix, and it will be in the next revision of firmware for the
> machine.

I may jump to the T2 series systems, but have been prowling eBay for a
cheap T1 system to get my feet wet with.

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[r.stricklin]

On Apr 13, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Carl R. Friend wrote:

>   Nice.  The oldest I can go is 3.2.3e, and that's pretty
> painful.

There is an X10 compatibility environment, even. I have to keep  
reminding myself that AIX 2 for the RT is older than AIX 1 for the PS/
2. I've been meaning to write a screencap utility for the framebuffer.

>> 02:08:28 DMKUDR476I System directory loaded from volume DIRECT
>> EOJ DIRECTORY UPDATED AND ON LINE
>> DMSACP723I B (222) R/O
>
>   OK, that's kinky.  Please forgive the ignorance -- what IS
> that?

It's the tail end of OPERATOR's 3215, booting VM/ESA V1R1 370 Feature.  
That particular machine is a Personal/370 hosted on an RS/6000  
7012-390 with AIX 3.2.5 (thus, it's an RS/370).

>> RELEASE: C.55.00 MPE/iX HP31900 C.05.08
>> USER VERSION: C.55.00 CURRENT: SUN, JAN 18, 2004, 6:52 PM
>>
>   Same as above.  WTF?  Other than not a lot got done in
> the session.  ;-)

That's only a tiny part of the session. (@: It's an HP3000 (917LX, the  
smallest, slowest PA-RISC HP3000 ever made) running MPE/iX version 5.5.

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[Joshua Boyd]

On Apr 13, 2008, at 6:40 PM, r.stricklin wrote:

> On Apr 13, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Carl R. Friend wrote:
>
>>   Nice.  The oldest I can go is 3.2.3e, and that's pretty
>> painful.
>
> There is an X10 compatibility environment, even. I have to keep  
> reminding myself that AIX 2 for the RT is older than AIX 1 for the  
> PS/2. I've been meaning to write a screencap utility for the  
> framebuffer.

Please do.  I like screen caps from older (especially if they aren't  
Motif) systems.
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[Lionel Peterson]

>From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@...>
>Date: 2008/04/12 Sat PM 05:58:16 CDT
>To: The Rescue List <rescue@...>
>Subject: Re: [rescue] E250 temperatures

<snip>

>I can't wait to make this system the new ohno.mrbill.net.
>I've had it for a year and a half now, and firmware issues (fixed
>in development, but not publicly released just yet) have
>kept me from deploying it.  Hopefully in the next month or so.

Details? I'm suprised that an error in the system was detected by you, filed with Sun, and a patch still not available for something over a few months. I'm not saying you didn't see the error, or that you didn't report it, just that the clear implication is that the error was documented and hung around for so long on such a "prestige" product as the T1000...

Did you just find the error (and most of the 18 months delay in the cutover were due to other reasons[0]) or has it been very elusive?

Lionel

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[Jonathan C. Patschke]

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:

>> It has to do with the network LOM dropping off the network or suddenly
>> no longer listening to the SSH port.  I don't want to deploy the machine
>> if I'm not able to get to a serial console on it for reboots, patching,
>> remote maintenance, etc.
> I have to say, that is pretty shocking.

Not to me.  $ork bought a half-rack of V210 systems, and the ALOM
modules would -lock hard- if we turned on DHCP.  Sun couldn't reproduce
the problem, even though we could show it on every system we bought.
They closed the ticket more-or-less as "works for me!".

$ork hasn't bought any more Sun hardware since.

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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Jonathan C. Patschke wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:
>
>>> It has to do with the network LOM dropping off the network or suddenly
>>> no longer listening to the SSH port.  I don't want to deploy the machine
>>> if I'm not able to get to a serial console on it for reboots, patching,
>>> remote maintenance, etc.
>> I have to say, that is pretty shocking.
>
> Not to me.  $ork bought a half-rack of V210 systems, and the ALOM
> modules would -lock hard- if we turned on DHCP.  Sun couldn't reproduce
> the problem, even though we could show it on every system we bought.
> They closed the ticket more-or-less as "works for me!".
>
> $ork hasn't bought any more Sun hardware since.

Wow!  Sun wouldn't send a CE out to see the problem out in the field?

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[Steve Sandau]

>>> It has to do with the network LOM dropping off the network or suddenly
>>> no longer listening to the SSH port.  I don't want to deploy the machine
>>> if I'm not able to get to a serial console on it for reboots, patching,
>>> remote maintenance, etc.
>> I have to say, that is pretty shocking.
>
> Not to me.  $ork bought a half-rack of V210 systems, and the ALOM
> modules would -lock hard- if we turned on DHCP.  Sun couldn't reproduce
> the problem, even though we could show it on every system we bought.
> They closed the ticket more-or-less as "works for me!".
>

You know, I had some odd problems with the LOM on a brand new V245 last
month. I thought it was me, or that there was some odd network problem.
I had the LOM "disappear" on me a couple of times (unreachable on the
network) , and when I was connected with a serial cable, I had the LOM
reset repeatedly. It finally settled down sort of, and worked, but the
resetting thing happened a couple more times. I wonder if that is what
was going on when it dropped off the network.

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[Jonathan C. Patschke]

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:

>> Not to me.  $ork bought a half-rack of V210 systems, and the ALOM
>> modules would -lock hard- if we turned on DHCP.  Sun couldn't
>> reproduce the problem, even though we could show it on every system
>> we bought.  They closed the ticket more-or-less as "works for me!".
>>
>> $ork hasn't bought any more Sun hardware since.
>
> Wow!  Sun wouldn't send a CE out to see the problem out in the field?

They sent a CE out to swap parts, but beyond that they didn't really
seem to care about solving the problem when that didn't fix it.  They
kept shuffling me back to some telephone support engineer who was
convinced that I was doing something wrong since he couldn't reproduce
the problem; he kept closing the ticket, and, out of frustration, I
finally quit reopening it.

It's a sad day when Dell provides better on-site and telephone support
than Sun.

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[Jonathan C. Patschke]

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Steve Sandau wrote:

> You know, I had some odd problems with the LOM on a brand new V245
> last month. I thought it was me, or that there was some odd network
> problem. I had the LOM "disappear" on me a couple of times
> (unreachable on the network) , and when I was connected with a serial
> cable, I had the LOM reset repeatedly.  It finally settled down sort
> of, and worked, but the resetting thing happened a couple more times.
> I wonder if that is what was going on when it dropped off the network.

This was slightly different.  When the ALOM module has a static IP
address set, it behaves normally.  When it has DHCP turned on, it
crashes while booting up, and never gets around to powering on the host
system.  The only way I found to get ALOM back was boot the host system
with the power button, use the Solaris tools to halt/restart ALOM, and
bring ALOM back up with its network port disconnected.

They had a good thing going with LOM, LOMlite, and RSM, but ALOM is
garbage.  You'd think in 2008 they could just put RSM on a highly-
integrated ASIC and call it done.

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[Bill Bradford]

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:32:44PM -0400, Carl R. Friend wrote:
>    And that's as good an excuse as necessary.  Let's see how
> obscure we can get.

You win.  You do know, of course, that it was YOUR web pages that got me
*started* on the whole "rescue old hardware" thing?  I ran across them
while being a junior sysadmin at ionet.net in 1995, and have been hooked
ever since.  ITS ALL YOUR FAULT. 8-)

I still go "wow" every now and then when I see you post here.

Bill

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[Bill Bradford]

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 07:11:19PM -0500, Lionel Peterson wrote:
> Details? I'm suprised that an error in the system was detected by you,
> filed with Sun, and a patch still not available for something over a few
> months.

The Sun engineers I dealt with had a hard time reproducing it to the point
that they could actually start *solving* it.

> I'm not saying you didn't see the error, or that you didn't
> report it, just that the clear implication is that the error was
> documented and hung around for so long on such a "prestige" product as
> the T1000...

I don't exactly have a support contract - this is the system that Sun
donated to sunhelp.org, and when I tried to contact them, all the people
who had communicated with me back then were no longer with the company.  I
ended up emailing Jonathan Schwartz directly, explaining the program of
getting in touch with someone, and asked "thank you for your time, can you
please throw this email at the right person or department" - and a couple
of days later, I had the regional service VP on the phone.

> Did you just find the error (and most of the 18 months delay in the
> cutover were due to other reasons[0]) or has it been very elusive?

It took me a few months to get the system to the datacenter in Austin where
everything is hosted [0].  Since then, it's been doing daily rsync backups of
the "current" system - it's just not been serving any web pages, doing any
emails, etc.  A month or so after I got it physically in place, I found the
problem.  Hoping that a future firmware update would do it, I waited and
updated to the next couple of firmware releases, but still had the problem.

I finally contacted Sun (as described above) back at the beginning of
November 2007, got in touch with some engineers, sent them logs, etc.

On December 14th, I got this from one of the engineers:

>We have found the problem and solution to the issue.  We are testing the
>solution.  Right now, we are looking at System Firmware 6.5.10 for this
>fix.  The schedule for 6.5.10 has not been determined.  But I will let you
>know when we have a date for 6.5.10.

I've not heard from him since then - but looking just now, it appears that
they released 6.5.11 on March 3rd, and 6.6 on March 11th.

I've had a LOT of stuff going on in my personal life since the beginning of
February, and hadn't exactly had "check weekly for firmware updates" on my
mind - but it looks like I'll be updating firmware and hopefully migrating
everything within the next 30 days.

Bill

[0] Of course, SunHELP has to fall behind "job that pays the bills" and
"family", etc, in terms of priority.  I don't even make income from Google
ads anymore, so any time spent on it is "profitless" compared to consulting
work, etc.

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[Bill Bradford]

On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:58:29PM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
> I've not heard from him since then - but looking just now, it appears that
> they released 6.5.11 on March 3rd, and 6.6 on March 11th.

>From the list-of-bugs-fixed in 6.5.11:

6540600 ALOM rejects ssh login under load and ssh login session

Yay!

My problem wasn't *exactly* that - mine was that the SSHD on the LOM just
stopped listening even when under no load / no logins / etc - it just
dropped off.  However, they thought it was related.

Bill

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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Bill Bradford wrote:
>>    And that's as good an excuse as necessary.  Let's see how
>> obscure we can get.
>
> You win.  You do know, of course, that it was YOUR web pages that got me
> *started* on the whole "rescue old hardware" thing?  I ran across them
> while being a junior sysadmin at ionet.net in 1995, and have been hooked
> ever since.  ITS ALL YOUR FAULT. 8-)
>
> I still go "wow" every now and then when I see you post here.

The one who similarly got me started was James Birdsall.  I was fairly
blown away at my first email from him, and I certainly remember thinking
it was pretty cool the first time I received a package from him.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Bill Bradford wrote:
> [0] Of course, SunHELP has to fall behind "job that pays the bills" and
> "family", etc, in terms of priority.  I don't even make income from Google
> ads anymore, so any time spent on it is "profitless" compared to consulting
> work, etc.

I really wish I wasn't perpetually so close to broke, so that I might be
able to thank you properly.  Maybe someday.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Bill Bradford]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:47:17AM -0400, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> The one who similarly got me started was James Birdsall.  I was fairly
> blown away at my first email from him, and I certainly remember thinking it
> was pretty cool the first time I received a package from him.

James was very influential with me too - and I am *still* honored nowdays
to be an official distribution site for the Hardware FAQ.  I remember when
I got my first 3/50 and printed out the entire FAQ - it was a huge source
of me getting "into" Sun equipment.

Bill

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[Bill Bradford]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:48:46AM -0400, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> I really wish I wasn't perpetually so close to broke, so that I might be
> able to thank you properly.  Maybe someday.

There's always http://wishlist.mrbill.net 8-)

Honestly, "thank you"s in private email every now and then is what really
keeps me going - knowing that I helped someone fix their problem.

I'm doing the same thing with machelp.org nowdays too - I answer five to
fifteen questions a day that people send me from that site.

Bill

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