Does cover beat website?

[Z-19]

Recently a user entered some changes on track titles, I thought they were a bit strange so I searched for the back cover and found that the tracks were OK as they were and the edits were wrong. I voted no and posted the link to the back covers, the author of the edits then left notes with a link to the artist's official website where the edits were indeed right. Does back sleeve beat website as a source everytime, as if it were rock-paper-scissors? Is it a matter of intuition (to know which one shows artist intent and which one was made by a company's graphic designer)?
Here are the links to the edits:
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9024357
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9024332
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9024329

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[Frederic Da Vitoria]

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Z <johnnyooh@...> wrote:

Recently a user entered some changes on track titles, I thought they were a bit strange so I searched for the back cover and found that the tracks were OK as they were and the edits were wrong. I voted no and posted the link to the back covers, the author of the edits then left notes with a link to the artist's official website where the edits were indeed right. Does back sleeve beat website as a source everytime, as if it were rock-paper-scissors? Is it a matter of intuition (to know which one shows artist intent and which one was made by a company's graphic designer)?
Here are the links to the edits:
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9024357
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9024332
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9024329

I this case I am not sure the website is really the artist's, I believe this is the editor's website.

For the first track, I'd stick to the cover, because I believe that the website forgot the brackets. For the second, I don't know. Only the artist would know (this means either find a written comment from the artist about this album or this track, or even writing a mail to him). For the third track, I'd definitely vote NO, since the new version isn't closer to the editor's source (I see "Vamonos pal sur" on http://www.jsabina.com/disco05/disco.asp , not "Vámonos pa'l sur"). BTW, there are several other differences in accents between http://www.jsabina.com/disco05/disco.asp and the cover, which is best? I don't know spanish, but I have a hunch the website is a little sloppy, which would mean it is not a reliable reference.

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[Kuno Woudt-2]

On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 05:07:41AM -0300, Z wrote:

> Recently a user entered some changes on track titles, I thought they were a
> bit strange so I searched for the back cover and found that the tracks were
> OK as they were and the edits were wrong. I voted no and posted the link to
> the back covers, the author of the edits then left notes with a link to the
> artist's official website where the edits were indeed right. Does back
> sleeve beat website as a source everytime, as if it were
> rock-paper-scissors? Is it a matter of intuition (to know which one shows
> artist intent and which one was made by a company's graphic designer)?
> Here are the links to the edits:
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9024357
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9024332
> http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9024329

ArtistIntent trumps almost everything.  But the intent of an artist is
difficult to determine without asking him/her directly.  The backcover
may have been messed up by the graphic designer, but an official website
is often managed by a publisher / record label.  In many cases, the
artist probably doesn't really care what you call the track, as long
as you enjoy it :).  

In general, I would stick to the backcover unless there is evidence
that the artist intended otherwise.  A tracklisting on the publishers
website is not enough IMO.

Context matters to some extent.  A typo on the backcover of a pop album
is usually an easy fix, but you have to be more careful around certain
electronic artists (autechre, speedy j, etc..), j-pop, and probably a
few other genres.

-- kuno / warp.


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[Z-19]

I've just realized I send this to the wrong list (should I send it to user list?)

I this case I am not sure the website is really the artist's, I believe this is the editor's website.

Mh, it says official website on the site.

For the first track, I'd stick to the cover, because I believe that the website forgot the brackets. For the second, I don't know. Only the artist would know (this means either find a written comment from the artist about this album or this track, or even writing a mail to him). For the third track, I'd definitely vote NO, since the new version isn't closer to the editor's source (I see "Vamonos pal sur" on http://www.jsabina.com/disco05/disco.asp , not "Vámonos pa'l sur").

This is probably an interpretation of the editor, "pal" is a contraction of "para el" (it would be something like saying let's go south instead of let's go to the south, but without changing the meaning) so it's not wrong to think the apostrophe should go after the a, pa' is a common contraction of para. Now that I think about it this may be the right move.
 

BTW, there are several other differences in accents between http://www.jsabina.com/disco05/disco.asp and the cover, which is best? I don't know spanish, but I have a hunch the website is a little sloppy, which would mean it is not a reliable reference.

I don't see the differences, but usually the one with the most accents is right. I don't trust teh cover that much since one of them looks fake so I'm not sure if I can trust the other one.

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[Frederic Da Vitoria]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Z <johnnyooh@...> wrote:

I've just realized I send this to the wrong list (should I send it to user list?)

Yes, but nobody saw it, so shhh!

I this case I am not sure the website is really the artist's, I believe this is the editor's website.

Mh, it says official website on the site.

In France, the artist has between 3% and 10% of the price, the editor has between 60% and 75% (depending on wether we are considering downloadable music or CDs). The editor has clearly the right to say his website is "official", even if he barely asked the artist's opinion, but this doesn't make the website ArtistIntent.

For the first track, I'd stick to the cover, because I believe that the website forgot the brackets. For the second, I don't know. Only the artist would know (this means either find a written comment from the artist about this album or this track, or even writing a mail to him). For the third track, I'd definitely vote NO, since the new version isn't closer to the editor's source (I see "Vamonos pal sur" on http://www.jsabina.com/disco05/disco.asp , not "Vámonos pa'l sur").

This is probably an interpretation of the editor, "pal" is a contraction of "para el" (it would be something like saying let's go south instead of let's go to the south, but without changing the meaning) so it's not wrong to think the apostrophe should go after the a, pa' is a common contraction of para. Now that I think about it this may be the right move.
 

BTW, there are several other differences in accents between http://www.jsabina.com/disco05/disco.asp and the cover, which is best? I don't know spanish, but I have a hunch the website is a little sloppy, which would mean it is not a reliable reference.

I don't see the differences, but usually the one with the most accents is right.

I meant there are other differences in accents, but each time, the CD cover has more accents than the website.

 

I don't trust teh cover that much since one of them looks fake so I'm not sure if I can trust the other one.

You are right, they could be fakes, but since you have 2 different sources with clearly different scans of elaborate page designs (with colors, artistic fonts, drawings, barcodes), I believe they are authentic. I guess http://covertarget.com/si.php?cat=1&id=189186&sid= was the original (the spine matches the cover itself and the drawing and the fonts seem more natural) while http://cover-paradise.to/?Module=ViewElement&ID=186946 would be a reissue with the same barcode but with a slightly modified cover design.

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