Do we need fldigi?

[Joop Stakenborg]

Would it be worthwhile packaging fldigi: http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html

We already have gmfsk, another multimode application....

Thanks,
Joop PG4I


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[Nate Bargmann]

* Joop Stakenborg <pg4i@...> [2007 Feb 22 01:26 -0600]:
> Would it be worthwhile packaging fldigi: http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html
>
> We already have gmfsk, another multimode application....

Yes.  

It seems that fldigi is receiving development attention these days.  It
is very good technically with a very sound implementation of the
various modes.  The UI is still rough and I've noted a few interesting
bugs (I need to try it again since switching computers in the shack as
the other one had some problems).

I think that fldigi would benefit from the increased exposure that
being in Debian would bring.

Here's my vote for packaging fldigi.

73, de Nate >>

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[Hamish Moffatt]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 06:26:24AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> * Joop Stakenborg <pg4i@...> [2007 Feb 22 01:26 -0600]:
> > Would it be worthwhile packaging fldigi: http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html
> >
> > We already have gmfsk, another multimode application....
>
> Yes.  
>
> It seems that fldigi is receiving development attention these days.  It
> is very good technically with a very sound implementation of the
> various modes.  The UI is still rough and I've noted a few interesting
> bugs (I need to try it again since switching computers in the shack as
> the other one had some problems).
>
> I think that fldigi would benefit from the increased exposure that
> being in Debian would bring.
>
> Here's my vote for packaging fldigi.

I've been meaning to look into it. Happy to co-maintain with
debian-hams. I have been following the relevant list (linuxhams at
yahoogroups) for a while, and some code of mine is in there (the
DominoEX modem).

One issue is that it requires FLTK 2.0 which we don't seem to have in
Debian currently (even in unstable).


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[Joop Stakenborg]

>
> I've been meaning to look into it. Happy to co-maintain with
> debian-hams. I have been following the relevant list (linuxhams at
> yahoogroups) for a while, and some code of mine is in there (the
> DominoEX modem).
>

Okay...

> One issue is that it requires FLTK 2.0 which we don't seem to have in
> Debian currently (even in unstable).
>

>From the README:
1. Fast Light Tool Kit -  FLTK  version 1.1.7 or greater.

It compiles cleanly here, even on Debian/Testing! :)

The only issue I have seen is the .h links to <FL/*.H>, which is a debconf
question when installing libfltk1.1-dev. These links are needed by fldigi.
Not sure how to configure this for the autobuilders...

>
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>
>

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[Bob Nielsen]

Is the Debian version of fltk 1.1.7 compiled with the switches  
mentioned on the fldigi web site?

"You will need to have hamlib and fltk compiled and installed before  
compiling & installing the fldigi program.  Read the help file  
installation page.  Fltk must be configured with the following  
switches before compilation & installation:

./configure --enable-threads --enable-xft

for shared libraries use

./configure --enable-shared --enable-threads --enable-xft

Before compiling fldigi be sure that you have the latest Fltk source  
tarball downloaded, compiled and installed.  Please do not use  
precompiled libraries unless you know that they have been created  
with the threads and xft capability.

Most of the RPM and DEB distributions for Fltk do not have the  
required thread and xft capabiltiy compiled into them and they may  
not have the latest Fltk bug fixes applied."

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[Joop Stakenborg]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:12:11 -0800
Bob Nielsen <nielsen@...> wrote:

>
> Is the Debian version of fltk 1.1.7 compiled with the switches  
> mentioned on the fldigi web site?
>
> "You will need to have hamlib and fltk compiled and installed before  
> compiling & installing the fldigi program.  Read the help file  
> installation page.  Fltk must be configured with the following  
> switches before compilation & installation:
>
> ./configure --enable-threads --enable-xft
>
> for shared libraries use
>
> ./configure --enable-shared --enable-threads --enable-xft
>
> Before compiling fldigi be sure that you have the latest Fltk source  
> tarball downloaded, compiled and installed.  Please do not use  
> precompiled libraries unless you know that they have been created  
> with the threads and xft capability.
>
> Most of the RPM and DEB distributions for Fltk do not have the  
> required thread and xft capabiltiy compiled into them and they may  
> not have the latest Fltk bug fixes applied."
>

debian/rules in the source package uses the following flags:

--enable-shared --enable-threads --enable-xft --enable-xinerama --without-links

So we may be okay!

> Bob, N7XY
>
>

Joop, PG4I


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[Bob Nielsen]

A new version of fldigi (1.30) came out today.  I just grabbed it and  
will give it a try.

Bob, N7XY


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[Nate Bargmann]

* Hamish Moffatt <hamish@...> [2007 Feb 22 06:54 -0600]:

> I've been meaning to look into it. Happy to co-maintain with
> debian-hams. I have been following the relevant list (linuxhams at
> yahoogroups) for a while, and some code of mine is in there (the
> DominoEX modem).

I just checked the Linuxhams group and don't see much recently except
spam.  Is this where the fldigi development discussion is taking place?
I had a couple of questions about the rig XML format (in its current
form, it won't support the FT-920) and I fired off an email to Dave
about two weeks ago, but have yet to receive a reply.

73, de Nate >>

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[Hamish Moffatt]

On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 07:18:25AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> I just checked the Linuxhams group and don't see much recently except
> spam.  Is this where the fldigi development discussion is taking place?

There isn't any development discussion - it's a one man effort right
now. (I should've been more honest; I wrote the DominoEX code for gMFSK,
and Dave adapted it for fldigi. It isn't in a gMFSK release either but I
have published the patch.)

> I had a couple of questions about the rig XML format (in its current
> form, it won't support the FT-920) and I fired off an email to Dave
> about two weeks ago, but have yet to receive a reply.

I posted to that list recently and it seemed to disappear entirely..



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[Joop Stakenborg]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:19:47 -0800
Bob Nielsen <nielsen@...> wrote:

>
> A new version of fldigi (1.30) came out today.  I just grabbed it and  
> will give it a try.
>


Harv didn't like the feel of fldigi compared to gmfsk.
What's your experience?

> Bob, N7XY
>


Thanks,
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[Nate Bargmann]

Linuxham, I had tried Linuxhams.  Two different groups.  I'm on the
right one now!

73, de Nate >>

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[Bob Nielsen]

On Feb 23, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Joop Stakenborg wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:19:47 -0800
> Bob Nielsen <nielsen@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> A new version of fldigi (1.30) came out today.  I just grabbed it and
>> will give it a try.
>>
>
>
> Harv didn't like the feel of fldigi compared to gmfsk.
> What's your experience?
>

I haven't actually tried it yet.  I wasn't able to get it to compile  
(after fixing a few minor problems, it gave me a linker error which I  
haven't been able to resolve).  I downloaded a binary but so far only  
verified that it will execute on my Ubuntu 6.10 system.

Hopefully I will be able to test it further today.

Bob, N7XY


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[Nate Bargmann]

* Joop Stakenborg <pg4i@...> [2007 Feb 23 12:03 -0600]:

> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:19:47 -0800
> Bob Nielsen <nielsen@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > A new version of fldigi (1.30) came out today.  I just grabbed it and  
> > will give it a try.
> >
>
>
> Harv didn't like the feel of fldigi compared to gmfsk.
> What's your experience?

To be honest.  I much prefer the UI of gmfsk to fldigi.  I think that
fldigi is right now technically superior.  I have run up against some
UI bugs in 1.23 which may have been worked on in 1.30.

Other than a bit of a horrid color scheme that doesn't blend with my
KDE schema, and the lack of keystroke accelerators as those in gmfsk, I
find fldigi to be a fine program.

73, de Nate >>

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[Ed-19]

Well, from a fldigi user and a former user of gMFSK for quite some time,
I do think that fldigi needs to be available in Debian.

I don't understand why the static version could not be used to create
the .deb, then fltk, nor hamlib from source would be needed. I was going
to create a .deb using checkinstall, but it is not available in Etch.
That along with the fact that since Dave started the static version,
issuing the make command from a terminal is all that is needed to
install fldigi. Hopefully someone will enlighten me as to why the app
needs to be debianized from source.

The xml is relatively new to fldigi and Dave is handling these on a one
on one basis. The TT 536 xml that I use is stable and works well.

On the current version that I am using Dave has cleaned up the UI
somewhat and introduced some new features that will help the newbie, not
only to fldigi, but to Linux in general.

Rein, PA0R uses fldigi in his pskmail server/clint app and has said that
he is pleased he made the change from gMFSK.

I say please consider adding fldigi to Debian, it can't be any better or
worse than some of the ham apps already in Debian.....73

Ed W3NR

fldigi Alpha team member


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[Joop Stakenborg]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:46:56 -0500
Ed <autek@...> wrote:

[...]

>
> I say please consider adding fldigi to Debian, it can't be any better or
> worse than some of the ham apps already in Debian.....73
>

Thanks Ed,

I wil file an "Intend To Package" later this week. The upload
will follow soon after....

> Ed W3NR
>
> fldigi Alpha team member
>

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[Don Corley]

So far, I have been unable to use the current issue of Fldigi.
Everything seems to work except the waterfall image. Also, I have a
consistent beat, beat, beat sound, like a clock ticking seconds. I can't
get rid of that. I have used Older versions of Fldigi, which I can no
longer locate, and I have used the version loaded with Puppy. Are these
problems unique to my machine? I'll appreciate any suggestions. Donald
Corley, WA5KTX


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[Stelios Bounanos-3]

Hi Donald,

>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:46:17 -0500, Don Corley <dcorley@...> said:

> So far, I have been unable to use the current issue of Fldigi.
> Everything seems to work except the waterfall image.

Does the waterfall redraw its cursor and marker when you move or click
the mouse? Does text appear in the receive widget when the decoder is
unsquelched? If so, you may simply need to adjust the two signal level
range controls at the bottom of the waterfall. Try values around -10 and
50 respectively.

> Also, I have a consistent beat, beat, beat sound, like a clock ticking
> seconds. I can't get rid of that.

This suggests a sample rate problem. Some sound card / sound system
combinations claim to support multiple sample rates, where in fact only
the "native" rate works well.

Using the PortAudio backend, select the desired Capture and Playback
(preferably ALSA) devices, then in the "Audio settings" tab select
"Native" in both sample rate menus.

> I have used Older versions of Fldigi, which I can no longer locate,
> and I have used the version loaded with Puppy.

Older versions are still available at fldigi's BerliOS project page:

  http://developer.berlios.de/projects/fldigi/

> Are these problems unique to my machine?

Unfortunately, no :-) Sample rate problems have also been reported by
other users. The next release of fldigi will default to PortAudio (if
available) and use the default/native sample rate unless told otherwise.

The default waterfall display values have also been set to -20 and 70
for Upper Signal Range and Signal Range resp., which should result in
far fewer "dark waterfall" reports.

> I'll appreciate any suggestions.  Donald Corley, WA5KTX

HTH.


73,
Stelios, M0GLD.


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