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Re: Debian 0.91 beta

2008-10-06T10:23:13Z

Fabian Greffrath wrote:
> Romain Francoise schrieb:
>> Thank you very much for providing this tarball. The distribution
>> itself is apparently very close to the "Debian 0.91" version
>> archived in the historic-linux repository at ibiblio.org, but your
>> tarball also contains archives of the debian-announce, debian-devel
>> and debian-user mailing lists of early 1994 (January to April).
>> As far as I can tell this bit of project history had been lost
>> until now, the archives on lists.debian.org only go back to 1995.

> Oh fine! I am glad this is of use for someone actually!
One of the files is corrupted:
$ gzip -d debian/mailing_list/debian-user/94-01-31_to_94-02-06.gz
gzip: debian/mailing_list/debian-user/94-01-31_to_94-02-06.gz: invalid
compressed data--crc error
gzip: debian/mailing_list/debian-user/94-01-31_to_94-02-06.gz: invalid
compressed data--length error

it would be cool if you could give that a second try to see if you can
reread that off the CD before I try to massage them into the archive.

Kind regards

T.
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Re: Release notes

2008-10-06T03:47:44Z

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

> Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@...> (05/10/2008):
> > > http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/release-notes/?root=debian-doc
> >
> > This link is wrong. DDP uses SVN nowadays.
>
> Question is: why is that still available?

Probably because nobody bothers to tell DSA when services are no longer
required.
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Re: Debian 0.91 beta

2008-10-06T00:35:05Z

Romain Francoise schrieb:
> Thank you very much for providing this tarball. The distribution
> itself is apparently very close to the "Debian 0.91" version
> archived in the historic-linux repository at ibiblio.org, but your
> tarball also contains archives of the debian-announce, debian-devel
> and debian-user mailing lists of early 1994 (January to April).
> As far as I can tell this bit of project history had been lost
> until now, the archives on lists.debian.org only go back to 1995.

Oh fine! I am glad this is of use for someone actually!

Cheers,
Fabian

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Re: Debian 0.91 beta

2008-10-05T23:26:27Z

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Romain Francoise <rfrancoise@...> wrote:

> Fabian Greffrath <greffrath@...> writes:
>
>> Please get it from here:
>> http://www.greffrath.com/debian/archive/debian-0.91beta.tar.gz
>
> Thank you very much for providing this tarball. The distribution
> itself is apparently very close to the "Debian 0.91" version
> archived in the historic-linux repository at ibiblio.org, but your
> tarball also contains archives of the debian-announce, debian-devel
> and debian-user mailing lists of early 1994 (January to April).
> As far as I can tell this bit of project history had been lost
> until now, the archives on lists.debian.org only go back to 1995.

Nice. CCing the listmasters, perhaps we can get them added to lists.debian.org.

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Re: Debian 0.91 beta

2008-10-05T12:08:01Z

Fabian Greffrath <greffrath@...> writes:

> Please get it from here:
> http://www.greffrath.com/debian/archive/debian-0.91beta.tar.gz

Thank you very much for providing this tarball. The distribution
itself is apparently very close to the "Debian 0.91" version
archived in the historic-linux repository at ibiblio.org, but your
tarball also contains archives of the debian-announce, debian-devel
and debian-user mailing lists of early 1994 (January to April).
As far as I can tell this bit of project history had been lost
until now, the archives on lists.debian.org only go back to 1995.

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Re: Release notes

2008-10-05T06:53:58Z

Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@...> (05/10/2008):
> > http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/release-notes/?root=debian-doc
>
> This link is wrong. DDP uses SVN nowadays.

Question is: why is that still available? I assume CVS to SVN conversion
kept history. And if it didn't, that site might get a BFW on top and on
bottom to warn that it doesn't hold the current trunk, don't you think?

Mraw,
KiBi.

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Re: Release notes

2008-10-05T06:48:55Z

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
> http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/release-notes/?root=debian-doc

This link is wrong. DDP uses SVN nowadays.

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Re: Sound servers for Debian 4.0r3 i386

2008-10-05T00:26:16Z

On Sun,05.Oct.08, 00:35:18, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 08:33:26PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > Please post the exact error message you get (if any) when you run
> > mpg123. It might help to turn off any KDE/Gnome specific sound handling
> > as they sometimes block the device and may prevent each other from
> > playing any sounds.
>
> debian-projects is not the contact address to report bugs, please do not
> encourage people doing so by asking for feedback to their reports.

Oups, thought this was debian-user. Should be more careful when reading
my mails...

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Mentions of non-free

2008-10-04T21:50:52Z

>
>
> non-free is mentioned during the installer for users to add (I think)
>
>
> It's not mentioned normally at least. Is it mentioned in expert installs?
>
Yes.

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Re: Mentions of non-free

2008-10-04T21:48:09Z

Release notes

2008-10-04T16:29:57Z

Sorry Keith and all others for the noise, I'll try to not read my mails
when I am tired next time.

The release notes have a pseudo-packages. You can browse some of its
issues on our bug tracking system, or contact directly its maintainer
for your very good question. Lastly, it seems that its sources are
availables on cvs.debian.org, so you can monitor the changes there as
well (if it is the correct repository).

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=release-notes
http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc/
http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/release-notes/?root=debian-doc

Have a nice day, and thank you very much for your help,

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Re: Sound servers for Debian 4.0r3 i386

2008-10-04T15:35:17Z

On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 08:33:26PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Please post the exact error message you get (if any) when you run
> mpg123. It might help to turn off any KDE/Gnome specific sound handling
> as they sometimes block the device and may prevent each other from
> playing any sounds.

debian-projects is not the contact address to report bugs, please do not
encourage people doing so by asking for feedback to their reports.

thanks,

Michael

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Re: Sound servers for Debian 4.0r3 i386

2008-10-04T10:33:26Z

On Sb,04.oct.08, 09:30:15, César Bergara wrote:
> The downloades cds of Debian 4.0r3, have a problem: the sound server
> (alsa) have a problem and can't play sounds (of kde's soft or gnome's
> soft, but xmms play sounds; but mpg123 don't).

[nitpick: alsa rather represents a driver, esd (for Gnome) and arts for
KDE) are sound servers]

Please post the exact error message you get (if any) when you run
mpg123. It might help to turn off any KDE/Gnome specific sound handling
as they sometimes block the device and may prevent each other from
playing any sounds.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Debian v 4.0r3 cd iso images

2008-10-04T10:25:34Z

On Sb,04.oct.08, 09:24:19, César Bergara wrote:
> I had download some 4.0r3 cds version for i386 architecture, but i
> need to download the iso-image cd-19.
> Are there websites with the olds stable version? I did like to
> download the sources codes (of the 4.0r3 version, too).

If you have regularly upgraded you are already running 4.0r4 so just
download the respective CDs for 4.0r4. If your Debian computer is not
connected to the internet you should get the upgrade CD first and
upgrade your installation to r4.

Regards,
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Sound servers for Debian 4.0r3 i386

2008-10-04T09:30:15Z

Good morning. My name is César Bergara, and i am from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
The downloades cds of Debian 4.0r3, have a problem: the sound server (alsa) have a problem and can't play sounds (of kde's soft or gnome's soft, but xmms play sounds; but mpg123 don't).
Have you a nice day.
Thank you.

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Debian v 4.0r3 cd iso images

2008-10-04T09:24:19Z

Good morning. My name is César Bergara, and i am from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
I had download some 4.0r3 cds version for i386 architecture, but i need to download the iso-image cd-19.
Are there websites with the olds stable version? I did like to download the sources codes (of the 4.0r3 version, too).
Thanks a lot.
Have you a nice day.

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Re: Bits from the DPL

2008-10-04T08:28:47Z

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 00:06:19 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:

> Lenny is not yet the stable release of Debian. Everything you are
> looking for will be available when Lenny will replace Etch.
>
It'll be too late for upgrade testing then… People doing that need
preliminary release notes now.

Cheers,
Julien

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Re: Bits from the DPL

2008-10-04T08:06:19Z

Le Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 12:38:35PM +0100, Keith Edmunds a écrit :
>
> I'm really sorry to trouble you directly as I'm sure you have better
> things to do than reply to mails such as this; however, I'd like to help
> test the Etch -> Lenny upgrade, but I can't find the Lenny release notes
> (particularly the upgrade part) anywhere. I've tried Google, I've tried
> the debian.org site.

Dear Keith,

Lenny is not yet the stable release of Debian. Everything you are
looking for will be available when Lenny will replace Etch.

Thank you for your interest in Debian,

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Re: Bits from the DPL

2008-10-04T04:38:35Z

Hi Steve

> the more installation and upgrade testing we can do now, the
> better.

I'm really sorry to trouble you directly as I'm sure you have better
things to do than reply to mails such as this; however, I'd like to help
test the Etch -> Lenny upgrade, but I can't find the Lenny release notes
(particularly the upgrade part) anywhere. I've tried Google, I've tried
the debian.org site.

Could you tell me where they are and, possibly, make it a little easier
for others to find them (maybe put a link on the Lenny .iso download page)?

Thanks,
Keith

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-30T20:18:23Z

["Followup-To:" header set to linux.debian.curiosa.]
Peter Palfrader <weasel@...>:
> bike-shedding.

Thanks, interesting segue. http://www.bikeshed.com/ should be
mentioned. Long, but well worth the read.

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-30T04:15:51Z

Peter Palfrader <weasel@...> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Posting a simple mail like "I can't predict why we might want to move
> > it, but it seems like a possibility we should leave open and yes,
> > ftp-master was a symbolic name, but isn't the best one now. Please use
> > the new symbolic names." a few messages back might have stopped this.
>
> It also isn't accurate. The name was changed for the very reason that
> upload place should be uncoupled from archive maint place, for the few
> times where ries does go down. It was proposed when this happened last
> time, a few weeks back.

Yes! ftp-master isn't the best symbolic name for the upload place now!

If someone can predict why we might want to move it then fine, by all
means change the message to give the reason. The above advice remains
good in general terms.

> Just because *you* don't get it doesn't mean it's stupid.

Indeed, but if several DDs didn't get it and were even willing to
brave the typical debian email abuse to query it, that may mean it was
confusing. Confusing is not the same as stupid and it could have been
clarified without all this heat. (*I* got it, BTW.)

Hope that explains,
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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-30T02:38:55Z

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, MJ Ray wrote:

> Posting a simple mail like "I can't predict why we might want to move
> it, but it seems like a possibility we should leave open and yes,
> ftp-master was a symbolic name, but isn't the best one now. Please use
> the new symbolic names." a few messages back might have stopped this.

It also isn't accurate. The name was changed for the very reason that
upload place should be uncoupled from archive maint place, for the few
times where ries does go down. It was proposed when this happened last
time, a few weeks back.

Just because *you* don't get it doesn't mean it's stupid.
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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-30T02:32:12Z

Peter Palfrader <weasel@...> wrote: [...]
> It's just the usual nit-picking on anybody who actually does anything to
> improve our infrastructure. [...]

It's also combined with the usual failure by many people who improve
our infrastructure to accept they wrote a confusing email (ftp-master
is a symbolic name, even though it's not the best symbolic name for an
upload server these days) and stop the thread, preferring instead to
keep flaming other DDs and spinning the wheels.

Posting a simple mail like "I can't predict why we might want to move
it, but it seems like a possibility we should leave open and yes,
ftp-master was a symbolic name, but isn't the best one now. Please use
the new symbolic names." a few messages back might have stopped this.

Hope that helps,
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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-30T02:11:43Z

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 09:17:44AM +0100, Simon Huggins wrote:
> > Your second mail (the one referenced in this thread) said:
>
> Can please someone tell me exactly for the sake of what, we are having
> this sub-thread? It just looks pointless to me ...

It's just the usual nit-picking on anybody who actually does anything to
improve our infrastructure. It's pretty common around here, people
probably use it to show how much they care about the project and how, if
only we would let them, they could do it all so much better. Also see
bike-shedding.
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Debian 0.91 beta

2008-09-30T02:09:36Z

Joerg Jaspert schrieb:
> Hm. Get me a tarball for it to download please.

Please get it from here:
http://www.greffrath.com/debian/archive/debian-0.91beta.tar.gz

It is taken from a 2-CD-Set published by S.u.S.E. GmbH called "Linux
1.0.9, Entwicklerversionen bis 1.1.24, Unix[TM] für PCs, deutsche
Slackware, SLS, debian, LST und DLD, Quellcode & Anwendungen, incl.
Einsteigersupport, Juli 1994"

English translation: "Linux 1.0.9, developer versions up to 1.1.24,
Unix[TM] for PCs, German Slackware, SLS, debian, LST and DLD, source
code & applications, including novice support, July 1994"

I couldn't even find a picture of the cover on the net.

Have a lot of fun! ;)

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-30T01:41:13Z

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 09:17:44AM +0100, Simon Huggins wrote:
> Your second mail (the one referenced in this thread) said:

Can please someone tell me exactly for the sake of what, we are having
this sub-thread? It just looks pointless to me ...

Pretty please, drop it, and go back helping kicking out a release.

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-30T01:17:44Z

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15:58AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Instead, you seem to be saying, "how could anyone be so stupid as to use
> > a non-symbolic name?" when nobody is actually being that stupid. We're
> > just using the symbolic name we were told to use the last time the names
> > were changed.
> I never intended to say that and my initial mail didnt do that (pasted
> below).

> ------------
> ftp.upload.debian.org
> ---------------------
> To untie the upload queue from the archive DSA setup an alias to be used
> for future uploads. Please change your configuration of dput, dupload or
> whatever you use to no longer use ftp-master.debian.org but
> ftp.upload.debian.org instead.
> ------------

Your second mail (the one referenced in this thread) said:
Please always only use the symbolic names for the places to upload to
(ie ftp.upload.debian.org and ssh.upload.debian.org), do not use any
machine name directly. Queues may move at any time, without further
notice and the symbolic names will be updated.

That seems to reflect what Thomas was saying. People using ftp-master
weren't using the machine name directly yet this symbolic name isn't
going to move it seems.

Perhaps you could have considered moving all the internal scripts that
reference ftp-master to some other service name rather than trying to
change every single dput config file out there in the wild and the
mindset of all the developers of the distribution.

Simon.

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-29T01:15:58Z

> Instead, you seem to be saying, "how could anyone be so stupid as to use
> a non-symbolic name?" when nobody is actually being that stupid. We're
> just using the symbolic name we were told to use the last time the names
> were changed.

I never intended to say that and my initial mail didnt do that (pasted
below).

------------
ftp.upload.debian.org
---------------------
To untie the upload queue from the archive DSA setup an alias to be used
for future uploads. Please change your configuration of dput, dupload or
whatever you use to no longer use ftp-master.debian.org but
ftp.upload.debian.org instead.
------------

> Moreover, I use ftp-master.debian.org because that's what I was told to
> do when we switched to the current upload procedure via anonymous-ftp.

Yes, and until recently that was the way to go.

> I don't object to you deciding that we should switch names again. But
> please just say, "you used to use symbolic name X, but that is tied with
> several other services. we want to split those services into different
> symbolic names. so for uploads, please use the new name Y."

Now, isnt "To untie the upload queue from the archive" that? At least
that was my understanding of it.

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-28T23:20:16Z

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 07:59 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Also, is it really interesting to the average DD where this queue is?
> People should be able to upload and expect their packages to end up in
> the archive. It really *absolutely* does not matter if that upload goes
> straight to ftp-master or to a different host first?!

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter to me at all that the queue
is on ries; I didn't know that until I looked it up. It is
"ries.debian.org" which is the host name.

You are continuing to scold people for using machine names, when that's
not the issue. You are asking people to switch from one symbolic name
to using a different symbolic name. Nobody is using the machine name,
I'll venture to say.

Moreover, I use ftp-master.debian.org because that's what I was told to
do when we switched to the current upload procedure via anonymous-ftp.

I don't object to you deciding that we should switch names again. But
please just say, "you used to use symbolic name X, but that is tied with
several other services. we want to split those services into different
symbolic names. so for uploads, please use the new name Y."

Instead, you seem to be saying, "how could anyone be so stupid as to use
a non-symbolic name?" when nobody is actually being that stupid. We're
just using the symbolic name we were told to use the last time the names
were changed.

Thomas

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-28T23:02:46Z

>> > Please always only use the symbolic names for the places to upload to
>> > (ie ftp.upload.debian.org and ssh.upload.debian.org), do not use any
>> > machine name directly. Queues may move at any time, without further
>> > notice and the symbolic names will be updated.
>> What conceivable reason is there for ever moving the ftp queue off of
>> ftp-master? It doesn't make sense to force everyone to switch their configs
>> from ftp-master.debian.org to ftp.upload.debian.org unless there was an
>> expectation that the queue would be moved, and I can't see any way that this
>> would ever be desirable. What byzantine model for uploads is being
>> proposed, and why?
> The best part is that I thought ftp-master.debian.org *IS* a symbolic
> name, as opposed to ries.debian.org which seems like the actual machine
> name.

Yes, but it is used for many other things too, so impossible to move
elsewhere in case a machine goes down temporarily.
The .upload.d.o aren't used for anything else, so it is *easy* to move
them around. Which enables us to keep the upload queue working even if
ries would be down for only a day or so (which is no reason to do the
lot of work to have all moved thats attached to the ftp-master name).

(Of course shorter downtimes wont benefit from this, as it takes DNS a
while to update and planned downtimes (like for reboots) dont really
warrant such things. But anything more...)

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-28T22:59:03Z

>> Please always only use the symbolic names for the places to upload to
>> (ie ftp.upload.debian.org and ssh.upload.debian.org), do not use any
>> machine name directly. Queues may move at any time, without further
>> notice and the symbolic names will be updated.
> What conceivable reason is there for ever moving the ftp queue off of
> ftp-master? It doesn't make sense to force everyone to switch their configs
> from ftp-master.debian.org to ftp.upload.debian.org unless there was an
> expectation that the queue would be moved, and I can't see any way that this
> would ever be desirable. What byzantine model for uploads is being
> proposed, and why?

How about an easy way to continue to be able to upload, even in the case
ftp-master is down?

Feel free to keep your config as is if you don't like the new one hostname, but
dont whine if it stops working, you have been warned. :)

Also, is it really interesting to the average DD where this queue is?
People should be able to upload and expect their packages to end up in
the archive. It really *absolutely* does not matter if that upload goes
straight to ftp-master or to a different host first?!

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-28T21:58:19Z

On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 21:51 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 04:59:58PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Please always only use the symbolic names for the places to upload to
> > (ie ftp.upload.debian.org and ssh.upload.debian.org), do not use any
> > machine name directly. Queues may move at any time, without further
> > notice and the symbolic names will be updated.
>
> What conceivable reason is there for ever moving the ftp queue off of
> ftp-master? It doesn't make sense to force everyone to switch their configs
> from ftp-master.debian.org to ftp.upload.debian.org unless there was an
> expectation that the queue would be moved, and I can't see any way that this
> would ever be desirable. What byzantine model for uploads is being
> proposed, and why?

The best part is that I thought ftp-master.debian.org *IS* a symbolic
name, as opposed to ries.debian.org which seems like the actual machine
name.

Thomas

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Re: ssh.upload.debian.org

2008-09-28T21:51:51Z

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 04:59:58PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Please always only use the symbolic names for the places to upload to
> (ie ftp.upload.debian.org and ssh.upload.debian.org), do not use any
> machine name directly. Queues may move at any time, without further
> notice and the symbolic names will be updated.

What conceivable reason is there for ever moving the ftp queue off of
ftp-master? It doesn't make sense to force everyone to switch their configs
from ftp-master.debian.org to ftp.upload.debian.org unless there was an
expectation that the queue would be moved, and I can't see any way that this
would ever be desirable. What byzantine model for uploads is being
proposed, and why?

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