Nabble - DFG PDA

RealAegis rugged PDA with GPS

2008-11-26T17:52:58Z

RealAegis is the leader of PDA industry in Hongkong and specialized in designing and manufacturing industrial PDA.

RealAegis provide high-quality and high-powered products, time-saving service and professional technical support. We specifically design and produce waterproof, shockproof, dustproof rugged PDA to meet the needs of our customers, our channel sales and our solution partners.

RealAegis is capable of customizing various level products to satisfy customer's demand or specifications, which are suitable for surveying, agriculture, construction, landification, telecom, electric power, medical treatment, transportation, forest conservation and etc.

It is recommended that Armor 1000 Series is a pocket-sized PDA with GPS. Simple touch-screen menus make it easy to use. The sleek, rugged and IPX-6 design makes it appropriate to take it in certain condition such as in atrocious weather, in the field.

RealAegis invite Agents throughout the world. We will provide the most competitive prices and high-grade products. We believe our powerful production capacity and professional after-sales service will bring to our mutual benefit.

100% customer satisfaction is our goal. Whether you are a customer with a direct relationship with us, or one of our channel sales or solution partners our aim is to provide the highest level products.

You can go to our website www.RealAegis.com for more information! If you have a relevant interest, please kindly send an e-mail to sales@realaegis.com. We will contact you with the specialized staff to conduct negotiations.

Thank you for your concern, and appreciate to cooperate with you.

Re: turn off a Windows Mobile device without on-off button?

2008-10-28T11:56:04Z

Hi Rosie,

I run a task manager program on the Trimble PDA called tMan (Version 0.9.9), which provides an option to turn the unit off at the home menu. It has many of the useful options similar to the switcher bar that came with previous versions of Pocket PC.

http://code.google.com/p/tman/

Hope this helps,

Chris

>>> "Rosalie Yacoub" <ryacoub@...> 10/28/2008 9:49 AM >>>

Looking into a case for the Juno ST, and the Otterbox I'm considering has the problem of hiding the on/off switch. The On part should not be a problem, because the buttons on the face of the Juno can be assigned to programs & will start the Juno back up after it is turned "off".

However, if someone doesn't want to wait for the auto-off, I am wondering if anyone has a good solution for switching off the PDA using either one of those buttons or from the "Start" menu.

Any suggestions appreciated,
Rosie

Rosie Yacoub
GIS analyst
Vegetation Mapping Program
CA Dept. of Fish and Game
916-322-1990

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turn off a Windows Mobile device without on-off button?

2008-10-28T09:49:47Z

Looking into a case for the Juno ST, and the Otterbox I'm considering has the problem of hiding the on/off switch. The On part should not be a problem, because the buttons on the face of the Juno can be assigned to programs & will start the Juno back up after it is turned "off".

However, if someone doesn't want to wait for the auto-off, I am wondering if anyone has a good solution for switching off the PDA using either one of those buttons or from the "Start" menu.

Any suggestions appreciated,
Rosie

Rosie Yacoub
GIS analyst
Vegetation Mapping Program
CA Dept. of Fish and Game
916-322-1990

NSIS Wizard

2008-06-25T09:25:49Z

To respond to Doug's question at the meeting yesterday.
While I typically haven't used a wizard to make the .nsi installer scripts I almost always use Notepad++
(http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/news.php?lang=uk)
which supports syntax highlighting for it and one click compilation(Not sure if Textpad has support for NSIS). I have however had luck with the HM NIS Edit tool in the past which is a more wizard based frontend.

See this page for more details.
http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Category:Development_Environments

Alex

Re: PDA Workgroup meeting---Webex Info!!

2008-06-23T09:03:01Z

Hey all,

Here is the Webex Info:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Topic: PDA Workgroup Meeting (5)
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008
Time: 10:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (GMT -07:00, San Francisco)
Meeting number: 712 047 780
Meeting password: PDAWorkgroup

Please click the link below to see more information, or to join the
meeting.

https://usgs.webex.com/usgs/j.php?ED=106904137&UID=0&PW=92eeef74351f7a201e491a0c050a191c

Note... the password is required: PDAWorkgroup

Teleconference: The conference line info:
BDB Phone Conference
1-866-861-9974
Participant 3964799

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

___________________________________________
Chris Brown
U.S. Geological Survey, Western Ecological Research Center
4165 Spruance Road, Suite 200
San Diego, CA 92101

(619) 225-6433
cwbrown@...

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[dfgpda] PDA Workgroup meeting

Hi all,

Sorry I didn't get this out to the whole group sooner, but our next PDA
Workgroup meeting is next Tuesday, June 24th, from 10-2pm.

The location will be different than the last few meetings. It will be at:

DFG Wildlife Branch
1812 9th Street
2nd floor conference room

If you're not able to be there in person, here is the conference line
info:
BDB Phone Conference
1-866-861-9974
Participant 3964799

The Agenda:

Alex and Doug will demo their Diagram to Database methodology, including
online metadata documentation.
Also, possibly a brief demo of the Aspen project application.

As this will be Alex's last meeting, during and for a bit after lunch he
will run through the list of applications and tools that he's developed
over the years, and where they will be available.

We'll also probably touch on the progress being made on transferring the
content of the cdfg-rap.net site over to the DFG Intranet.

There will also be an ice cream social for Alex at 2pm, for those that can
stay.
Hope to see you there!
-Steve

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: (916) 445-9939
Email: sgoldman@...

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PDA Workgroup meeting

2008-06-19T12:39:09Z

Hi all,

Sorry I didn't get this out to the whole group sooner, but our next PDA Workgroup meeting is next Tuesday, June 24th, from 10-2pm.

The location will be different than the last few meetings. It will be at:

DFG Wildlife Branch
1812 9th Street
2nd floor conference room

If you're not able to be there in person, here is the conference line info:
BDB Phone Conference
1-866-861-9974
Participant 3964799

The Agenda:

Alex and Doug will demo their Diagram to Database methodology, including online metadata documentation.
Also, possibly a brief demo of the Aspen project application.

As this will be Alex's last meeting, during and for a bit after lunch he will run through the list of applications and tools that he's developed over the years, and where they will be available.

We'll also probably touch on the progress being made on transferring the content of the cdfg-rap.net site over to the DFG Intranet.

There will also be an ice cream social for Alex at 2pm, for those that can stay.
Hope to see you there!
-Steve

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: (916) 445-9939
Email: sgoldman@...

Re: Re: GPS and Handheld Equipment Recommendations

2008-05-08T10:18:58Z

i would really advise everyone to stear clear of the Tritons
eventually maybe they will build out the firmware but the ones i tested were pretty frustrating

my notes are here..
http://sites.google.com/a/region3dfg.org/region3internal/asdf/Magellan-Triton-vs-Garmin-60csx

i never even finished testing them (three units), just sent them back because they were so buggy

>>> "Charlotte Peters" <cpeters@...> 5/7/2008 7:00 PM >>>
If you go with the JunoST, there is a high contrast theme available for better viewing in sunlight. The theme is a white on black theme.
http://www.trimble.com/junost_ts.asp?Nav=Collection-47260

The JunoST also doesn't have the handy Switcher icon that came with the Dell PDAs to close programs, but the tMan program is a nice substitute.
http://pda.jasnapaka.com/tman/

Aside from the Garmin and Trimble units, Magellan has a Triton series of rugged GPS units.
The cost may be prohibitive, but I saw this several years ago for an ultra-rugged unit.
http://www.grayhillembedded.com/about/DuraMax_HG_specsheet_207.pdf

Charlotte

>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 05/07/08 12:44 PM >>>
>>> On 5/7/2008 at 12:21, Kristina White <KWHITE@...> wrote:
> Hi Alex!
>
> I am working down in the Salton Sea which means harsh environmental
> conditions (heat, wind, salt, air born debris, water, etc.). Can you
> recommend equipment (GPS and Handheld) that is rugged and would handle
> extreme heat?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kristina
>

Depends on your accuracy needs and software requirements. No device is going to handle the heat all that much better so it's up to the user to shade it, keep it in a pocket or otherwise alter it's operating conditions. You might want to consider putting a handheld in an otterbox that's sealed, some bluetooth GPS devices could fit in the box with the handheld or you could get a Juno and put that in a box. It might seem a little redundant but after you drop it in the salton sea the first time it'll make sense, since an otterbox with air in it might float depending on the weight inside. The problem of course is glare, but like I said before if you build a shade or only operate in at least your bodies shade things should work out. If software's not really an issue last time I looked the Garmin 76 floated on it's own and was about $200. Some of those might still be available.

Alex

Re: Re: GPS and Handheld Equipment Recommendations

2008-05-07T19:00:11Z

If you go with the JunoST, there is a high contrast theme available for better viewing in sunlight. The theme is a white on black theme.
http://www.trimble.com/junost_ts.asp?Nav=Collection-47260

The JunoST also doesn't have the handy Switcher icon that came with the Dell PDAs to close programs, but the tMan program is a nice substitute.
http://pda.jasnapaka.com/tman/

Aside from the Garmin and Trimble units, Magellan has a Triton series of rugged GPS units.
The cost may be prohibitive, but I saw this several years ago for an ultra-rugged unit.
http://www.grayhillembedded.com/about/DuraMax_HG_specsheet_207.pdf

Charlotte

Dell Pharos 5235e

2008-05-07T13:19:12Z

Does anyone have any experience with the Dell Pharos who could comment
on the GPS capacity and screen brightness?

Thanks,
Rosie

Re: GPS and Handheld Equipment Recommendations

2008-05-07T12:43:39Z

>>> On 5/7/2008 at 12:21, Kristina White <KWHITE@...> wrote:
> Hi Alex!
>
> I am working down in the Salton Sea which means harsh environmental
> conditions (heat, wind, salt, air born debris, water, etc.). Can you
> recommend equipment (GPS and Handheld) that is rugged and would handle
> extreme heat?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kristina
>

Re: Meeting Notes 4/29/08

2008-05-06T13:56:06Z

Scroll down to the second set of instructions which I cleaned up from the original poster after getting ours to work.
http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20749

Alex

>>> "Rosalie Yacoub" <ryacoub@...> 05/06/08 1:17 PM >>>
Alex,

How did you get the COWON to talk to a bluetooth gps?

Thanks,
Rosie

>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 5/5/2008 12:55 PM >>>
I transferred what I had written down and could remember to the notes online.
http://www.cdfg-rap.net/applications/development/meetings/Agenda042908/view

Please edit the document if I forgot anything or you have more links and information to add.

Thank you,

--

Alex Mandel
amandel@...
CA Dept. of Fish & Game
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
916.445.4658
http://www.cdfg-rap.net
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/rap/ 1812 9th St.
Sacramento, CA 95811

Re: Meeting Notes 4/29/08

2008-05-06T13:16:19Z

Alex,

How did you get the COWON to talk to a bluetooth gps?

Thanks,
Rosie

>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 5/5/2008 12:55 PM >>>
I transferred what I had written down and could remember to the notes online.
http://www.cdfg-rap.net/applications/development/meetings/Agenda042908/view

Please edit the document if I forgot anything or you have more links and information to add.

Thank you,

--

Alex Mandel
amandel@...
CA Dept. of Fish & Game
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
916.445.4658
http://www.cdfg-rap.net
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/rap/ 1812 9th St.
Sacramento, CA 95811

Meeting Notes 4/29/08

2008-05-05T12:55:11Z

I transferred what I had written down and could remember to the notes online.
http://www.cdfg-rap.net/applications/development/meetings/Agenda042908/view

Please edit the document if I forgot anything or you have more links and information to add.

Thank you,

--

Alex Mandel
amandel@...
CA Dept. of Fish & Game
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
916.445.4658
http://www.cdfg-rap.net
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/rap/ 1812 9th St.
Sacramento, CA 95811

UMPC option for field work

2008-05-05T11:02:04Z

Based on a question raised at the last meeting I did a quick revisit to see what's out there in the Ultra Mobile PC realm of things.
Note, UMPC is a term Microsoft coined so the devices are invariably windows if it has that label, devices running other OSes would likely be called something like Internet Tablets.

Here's a list of some general options ranging from $750 - $2000, of non ruggedized devices. My biggest concern with these devices is battery life, keyboard controls and screen brightness outdoors. But if someone has funds there are a few that look worth trying.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sort&A=search&Q=&sortDrop=Price%3A+Low+to+High&bl=&atl=&pn=1&st=categoryNavigation&mnp=0.0&mxp=0.0&sv=13172&shs=&ac=&fi=all&pn=1&ci=13172&cmpsrch=&cltp=&clsgr=

Alex

Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T17:40:07Z

thanks for the links.

I was wondering if you might be able to use a different IDE other than the actual Application Builder.

I'm watching the ESRI seminar on the "ArcGIS Mobile": they say you get 50 licenses to use with the SDK for ArcGIS mobile.

That might be a better focus for developing rather than purchasing ArcPAD licenses since we already have invested in ArcServer.

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 5:33 PM, in message <4818AD6E.A867.0029.0@...>, "Charlotte Peters" <cpeters@...> wrote:

Regarding ArcPad customization without the application builder, I've read in ArcPad forums that some folks were able to customize ArcPad 6 by taking an existing ArcPad *.apl file or ArcPad applet *.apa file (found in ArcScripts or sample data) and making their own customizations in a text or XML editor. Any JScript or VBScript codes associated with the applet can be customized outside of AP app builder.
I don't know if this is still the case with the latest version of ArcPad, but I was able to open sample *.apl, *.apa, *.apm files in notepad and it looks like something someone can customize.

A German company makes a low cost ArcPad form generator software, but it's in German! http://gis.esri.com/partners/partners-user/index.cfm?fuseaction=product&BP_ID=2319&PID=5269

ArcPad creation form wizard. Not a substitute for the app builder, but might be better than standard ArcPad forms.
http://arcscripts.esri.com/details.asp?dbid=12608

general article on AP customization, it highlights AP app builder but points out that text editor and VB script are also used
http://www.spatialvision.com.au/html/tips-arcpad.htm
Charlotte

>>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 4/30/2008 2:43 PM >>>
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: (916) 445-9939
Email: sgoldman@...

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.

http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123

Chris

__________________________________________________________

Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)

cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910

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Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T17:33:35Z

Regarding ArcPad customization without the application builder, I've read in ArcPad forums that some folks were able to customize ArcPad 6 by taking an existing ArcPad *.apl file or ArcPad applet *.apa file (found in ArcScripts or sample data) and making their own customizations in a text or XML editor. Any JScript or VBScript codes associated with the applet can be customized outside of AP app builder.
I don't know if this is still the case with the latest version of ArcPad, but I was able to open sample *.apl, *.apa, *.apm files in notepad and it looks like something someone can customize.

A German company makes a low cost ArcPad form generator software, but it's in German! http://gis.esri.com/partners/partners-user/index.cfm?fuseaction=product&BP_ID=2319&PID=5269

ArcPad creation form wizard. Not a substitute for the app builder, but might be better than standard ArcPad forms.
http://arcscripts.esri.com/details.asp?dbid=12608

general article on AP customization, it highlights AP app builder but points out that text editor and VB script are also used
http://www.spatialvision.com.au/html/tips-arcpad.htm
Charlotte

>>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 4/30/2008 2:43 PM >>>
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: (916) 445-9939
Email: sgoldman@...

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.

http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123

Chris

_______________________________________________________________

Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)

cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910

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Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T16:37:48Z

Oh Ok,

thanks. Now that makes sense, I thought you still needed your VS or other IDE.

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 4:35 PM, in message <48189FD2.333F.0043.0@...>, "Isaac Oshima" <ioshima@...> wrote:

ArcPad application builder does not need Visual Studio.
Unless you plan on building for currently unsupported devices such as a
newer cameras, gps, rangefinder, etc...
If you did that then you'd also need C or C++ skills.

The short answer to "Is the application builder an IDE?" is yes.

Isaac

Isaac Oshima
ioshima@...
Research Program Specialist 1, GIS
California Department of Fish and Game
><((((º>
Office of Spill Prevention and Response
1700 K Street, Suite 150
Sacramento, California 95814
916-324-9817
916-324-8829 fax

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 2008-04-30 3:56 PM >>>
Yes, the point is, ArcGIS desktop all you need is Vs or similar (ArcGis
+ VS), with Arcpad you need (Arcpad + ArcPad App Builder + VS) or
similar to just to do the development. You can distribute any DLLs' you
make without licensing restrictions (since the other libraries will
already be installed on the user's system, in reference to ArcGIS
development)

That was my point, I don't see what the extra grand is for unless it
allowed distribution of arc libraries (which you say it does not, which
does not surprise me at all). They ought to just include it, you will
need an ArcPAD license to use it anyway. That's what ESRI does for
ArcGIS.

Is the application builder an IDE?

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 3:00 PM, in message
<481889A3.C40B.00E4.0@...>, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...>
wrote:

I don't think that's entirely accurate. You still need a paid version
of Visual Studio in order to compile dll extensions for ArcGIS and I see
that being analagous to the PDA situation. Same with the licensing,
there is no product you can make using arc libraries that doesn't
require an arc license of some kind.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:51, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of
pricey at
> $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a
grand).
>
> With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost
other than
> your development software. In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think
you
> still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.). Unless
the app
> builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from
Arcpad
> without additional licensing fees.
>
> thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message
<481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven

> Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
> Phone: (916) 445-9939
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T16:35:30Z

ArcPad application builder does not need Visual Studio.
Unless you plan on building for currently unsupported devices such as a
newer cameras, gps, rangefinder, etc...
If you did that then you'd also need C or C++ skills.

The short answer to "Is the application builder an IDE?" is yes.

Isaac

Isaac Oshima
ioshima@...
Research Program Specialist 1, GIS
California Department of Fish and Game
><((((º>
Office of Spill Prevention and Response
1700 K Street, Suite 150
Sacramento, California 95814
916-324-9817
916-324-8829 fax

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 2008-04-30 3:56 PM >>>
Yes, the point is, ArcGIS desktop all you need is Vs or similar (ArcGis
+ VS), with Arcpad you need (Arcpad + ArcPad App Builder + VS) or
similar to just to do the development. You can distribute any DLLs' you
make without licensing restrictions (since the other libraries will
already be installed on the user's system, in reference to ArcGIS
development)

That was my point, I don't see what the extra grand is for unless it
allowed distribution of arc libraries (which you say it does not, which
does not surprise me at all). They ought to just include it, you will
need an ArcPAD license to use it anyway. That's what ESRI does for
ArcGIS.

Is the application builder an IDE?

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 3:00 PM, in message
<481889A3.C40B.00E4.0@...>, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...>
wrote:

I don't think that's entirely accurate. You still need a paid version
of Visual Studio in order to compile dll extensions for ArcGIS and I see
that being analagous to the PDA situation. Same with the licensing,
there is no product you can make using arc libraries that doesn't
require an arc license of some kind.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:51, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of
pricey at
> $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a
grand).
>
> With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost
other than
> your development software. In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think
you
> still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.). Unless
the app
> builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from
Arcpad
> without additional licensing fees.
>
> thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message
<481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven

Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T15:56:53Z

Yes, the point is, ArcGIS desktop all you need is Vs or similar (ArcGis + VS), with Arcpad you need (Arcpad + ArcPad App Builder + VS) or similar to just to do the development. You can distribute any DLLs' you make without licensing restrictions (since the other libraries will already be installed on the user's system, in reference to ArcGIS development)

That was my point, I don't see what the extra grand is for unless it allowed distribution of arc libraries (which you say it does not, which does not surprise me at all). They ought to just include it, you will need an ArcPAD license to use it anyway. That's what ESRI does for ArcGIS.

Is the application builder an IDE?

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 3:00 PM, in message <481889A3.C40B.00E4.0@...>, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote:

I don't think that's entirely accurate. You still need a paid version of Visual Studio in order to compile dll extensions for ArcGIS and I see that being analagous to the PDA situation. Same with the licensing, there is no product you can make using arc libraries that doesn't require an arc license of some kind.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:51, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of pricey at
> $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a grand).
>
> With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost other than
> your development software. In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think you
> still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.). Unless the app
> builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from Arcpad
> without additional licensing fees.
>
> thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message <481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven
> Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
> Phone: (916) 445-9939
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
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Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T15:20:13Z

well at $1500 its not likely I will get R2 to purchase (I would have to twist some arms for the $495 license). It was mentioned they were bundled together, so I thought I would get App builder with ArcPad for only $495 (unfortunately that's not the case).

Right now I'm not even sure if I would have time to delve into ArcPad development, or even if it would be of use to DFG to go that route. But, if we had an ArcPad license (and it had app builder), we would at least have the option to consider it.

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:48 PM, in message <481886AE.C40B.00E4.0@...>, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote:

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:30, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application Builder
> came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> > __________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>

We still need to clarify if DFG has 1 or more licenses for said product already as part of our whole license deal. I have been told that some dev kits of some kind did come with our other purchases.

Of course if you are thinking of getting one also make sure to go through BDB since tacking it on to our current license holding would likely result in a discount of some kind. Who knows, maybe we can even put it on a floating license so several people can test it out, at different times of course.

Alex

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Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T15:06:25Z

For quick tinkering, the evaluation version is a full version that runs for 20 minutes & is certainly adequate for seeing if ArcPad will load and run on a unit. Once installed, you can make a project in ArcPad quickly OR use arcmap. To make it a full version requires only a registration #.

http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcpad/download.html

Alex, I will email you off-group with a project that includes part of downtown sac that I have been testing with.
-Rosie

>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 4/30/2008 2:50 PM >>>
Steve,

At the meeting this came up in the context of writing a custom application in .Net and including ArcObjects when relevant and necessary. We still need to assess if the general ArcPad interface can be customized without having to go the full coding method. Are there any ArcPad licenses for us to tinker with?
We would like to try loading it on the Cowon Q5W.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:43, "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
> Phone: (916) 445-9939
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T15:00:52Z

I don't think that's entirely accurate. You still need a paid version of Visual Studio in order to compile dll extensions for ArcGIS and I see that being analagous to the PDA situation. Same with the licensing, there is no product you can make using arc libraries that doesn't require an arc license of some kind.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:51, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of pricey at
> $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a grand).
>
> With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost other than
> your development software. In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think you
> still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.). Unless the app
> builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from Arcpad
> without additional licensing fees.
>
> thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message <481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven
> Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
> Phone: (916) 445-9939
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T14:53:02Z

In ArcPad (by itself), you can set up a "quick form" that will at least address populating attributes in a shapefile as you add records.
-Rosie

>>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 4/30/2008 2:43 PM >>>
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: (916) 445-9939
Email: sgoldman@...

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.

http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123

Chris

_______________________________________________________________

Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)

cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910

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Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T14:51:44Z

well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of pricey at $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a grand).

With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost other than your development software. In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think you still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.). Unless the app builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from Arcpad without additional licensing fees.

thanks

Chris

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message <481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: (916) 445-9939
Email: sgoldman@...

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.

http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123

Chris

_______________________________________________________________

Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)

cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910

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Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T14:50:47Z

Steve,

At the meeting this came up in the context of writing a custom application in .Net and including ArcObjects when relevant and necessary. We still need to assess if the general ArcPad interface can be customized without having to go the full coding method. Are there any ArcPad licenses for us to tinker with?
We would like to try loading it on the Cowon Q5W.

Alex

Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T14:48:15Z

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:30, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application Builder
> came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> > _______________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>

Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T14:47:28Z

As far as I know both statements are true.
The OSPR purchase of Application Builder included a copy of standard
ArcPad.
Isaac

Isaac Oshima
ioshima@...
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California Department of Fish and Game
><((((º>
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Sacramento, California 95814
916-324-9817
916-324-8829 fax

>>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 2008-04-30 2:43 PM >>>
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: (916) 445-9939
Email: sgoldman@...

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.

http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123

Chris

_______________________________________________________________

Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)

cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910

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Re: ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T14:43:49Z

Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: (916) 445-9939
Email: sgoldman@...

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.

http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123

Chris

_______________________________________________________________

Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)

cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910

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ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

2008-04-30T14:30:12Z

for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.

http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123

Chris

_______________________________________________________________

Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)

cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910

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PDA Workgroup meeting

2008-04-29T09:58:11Z

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PDA Workgroup meeting

2008-04-28T11:01:44Z

Item Type: Appointment
Start Date: Tuesday, 29 Apr 2008, 10:00:00am (Pacific Daylight Time)
Duration: 5 Hours
Place: BDB Conference room

Hi all,

We have our meeting tomorrow (Tuesday) from 10-3pm in our downstairs conference room here at BDB as usual. Come in person if you can.

If not, here is the conference line info:
BDB Phone Conference
1-866-861-9974
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Our agenda is here. Let me know if you have any changes.
http://www.cdfg-rap.net/applications/development/meetings/Agenda042908/document_view

Agenda and Minutes for Meeting. 04/29/2008
Data Collection Workgroup

Status Update on Tasks(15min):
Update on Website: Rapnet, DFG Intranet, BDB Test Wiki
Equipment Library Update
Current Projects Updates
Hardware/Software Research Update

Discussion Items(1h):
New Device Review (C. Stermer, T. Love, )
Timeline
Departmental Workflows
Conventions, Also see NRM Draft Database Standards
1. Photos
2. GPS

Working Items(1h):
1. Database Key/Structural Comparison
Be prepared to hash out differences in existing database structures to find a common format. See/Add current structures ...
2. Build table diagrams for initial default tableset
-Simple species observation form
Compatible with new CNDDB specs
RAP example implementation - Incidental Fauna
ITB Wildlife incident database & observation management system

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: (916) 445-9939
Email: sgoldman@...

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