D300 Live View & exposure bracketing

[Peter Sale]

I am a real estate agent, and almost most of the photos I take are of property interiors, with a few exterior shots thrown in. Ref
www.150oceanpark523vr.com for some typical images. I also shoot full screen High Dynamic Range (HDR) panoramas of some of these
properties. Ref http://2www.115thirdvr.com/ for some examples of these sort of VR images. I am very pleased with the performance of
my Nikon with respect to shooting these sort of photos. However, I'm always trying to improve my "skills", especially with respect
to HDR VR images. All that being said, I have just now discovered something surprising with respect to my D300's Live View feature.

Shooting such HDR VR interiors involves automatic exposure bracketing, changing only the shutter speed while holding the F-stop
constant at, say, f/5.6 or f/8. Sometimes, actually quite often, I bracket my shots at speeds down to 1/2 or 1/4 second all the way
up to 1/250 second. I have been experimenting with Live View as a possible way to shoot these bracketed shots without the need for
the mirror to flip up and back down. This is something Canon 40D owners can do both in Liveview and Mirror Up mode. Sadly, for some
mysterious reason the mirror flips up and down even in Liveview. I fear this behavior will cause motion blur, due to Mirror
vibrations, at such slow shutter speeds as 1/2-1/15 second. Can anyone else confirm this D300 behavior, is there some good reason
for it, and might it be correctable with new firmware? Perhaps with such a wide lens (Sigma 8mm f/3.5) I'm concerned about nothing?

Also, in Mirror Up mode, my camera will not "auto" bracket these shots. I must press the shutter release 2-times for every shot
(bracketed exposure) I take.
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Regards,
Peter Sale
Santa Monica, CA USA

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Regards,
Peter Sale
Santa Monica, CA USA

[aiwetir-2]

i don't think it should be a concern for the resolution of your final  
product, if it is do the other method

however it's annoying i agree.  i've used a d300 and just did the  
double shutter release thing which didn't bother me.

i would like them to change how to shoot 4 stops bracketed without  
taking so many photos

mmm
http://pdxvr.com
http://medina-photo.com



On 20 Jul 2008, at 12:19, Peter Sale wrote:

>
> I am a real estate agent, and almost most of the photos I take are  
> of property interiors, with a few exterior shots thrown in. Ref
> www.150oceanpark523vr.com for some typical images. I also shoot full  
> screen High Dynamic Range (HDR) panoramas of some of these
> properties. Ref http://2www.115thirdvr.com/ for some examples of  
> these sort of VR images. I am very pleased with the performance of
> my Nikon with respect to shooting these sort of photos. However, I'm  
> always trying to improve my "skills", especially with respect
> to HDR VR images. All that being said, I have just now discovered  
> something surprising with respect to my D300's Live View feature.
>
> Shooting such HDR VR interiors involves automatic exposure  
> bracketing, changing only the shutter speed while holding the F-stop
> constant at, say, f/5.6 or f/8. Sometimes, actually quite often, I  
> bracket my shots at speeds down to 1/2 or 1/4 second all the way
> up to 1/250 second. I have been experimenting with Live View as a  
> possible way to shoot these bracketed shots without the need for
> the mirror to flip up and back down. This is something Canon 40D  
> owners can do both in Liveview and Mirror Up mode. Sadly, for some
> mysterious reason the mirror flips up and down even in Liveview. I  
> fear this behavior will cause motion blur, due to Mirror
> vibrations, at such slow shutter speeds as 1/2-1/15 second. Can  
> anyone else confirm this D300 behavior, is there some good reason
> for it, and might it be correctable with new firmware? Perhaps with  
> such a wide lens (Sigma 8mm f/3.5) I'm concerned about nothing?
>
> Also, in Mirror Up mode, my camera will not "auto" bracket these  
> shots. I must press the shutter release 2-times for every shot
> (bracketed exposure) I take.
> -
> Regards,
> Peter Sale
> Santa Monica, CA USA
>
> -
> Regards,
> Peter Sale
> Santa Monica, CA USA
>
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[dsoc01]

Peter,

You're right.  The mirror does flip down & up for each exposure, even
though the mirror was already up for Live View.  Sure don't make
sense to me.  (Manual Focus ON, lens removed for visual verification.)

In any case, I suspect the Nikon engineers had already considered
this (presumably).  If you refer to the last paragraph of P. 90 of
the D300 manual, "To reduce blur in tripod mode, choose ON for Custom
Setting d9 ([Exposure delay mode], pg. 285)".  Perhaps, this will
hopefully alleviate any mirror-induced motion blur during HDR
bracketing?

Hey, did you know there were 2 modes within the Live View?  Handheld
and Tripod?  I didn't.  :-)

Dan


At 12:32 PM -0700 7/20/08, aiwetir wrote:

>i don't think it should be a concern for the resolution of your
>final product, if it is do the other method
>
>however it's annoying i agree. i've used a d300 and just did the
>double shutter release thing which didn't bother me.
>
>i would like them to change how to shoot 4 stops bracketed without
>taking so many photos
>
>mmm
><http://pdxvr.com>http://pdxvr.com
><http://medina-photo.com>http://medina-photo.com
>
>On 20 Jul 2008, at 12:19, Peter Sale wrote:
>
>  >
>>
>>  I am a real estate agent, and almost most of the photos I take are
>>of property interiors, with a few exterior shots thrown in. Ref
>>http://www.150oceanpark523vr.com for some typical images. I also
>>shoot full screen High Dynamic Range (HDR) panoramas of some of
>>these properties. Ref http://2www.115thirdvr.com/ for some examples
>>of these sort of VR images. I am very pleased with the performance
>>of my Nikon with respect to shooting these sort of photos. However,
>>I'm always trying to improve my "skills", especially with respect
>>to HDR VR images. All that being said, I have just now discovered
>>something surprising with respect to my D300's Live View feature.
>>
>>  Shooting such HDR VR interiors involves automatic exposure
>>bracketing, changing only the shutter speed while holding the
>>F-stop constant at, say, f/5.6 or f/8. Sometimes, actually quite
>>often, I bracket my shots at speeds down to 1/2 or 1/4 second all
>>the way up to 1/250 second. I have been experimenting with Live
>>View as a possible way to shoot these bracketed shots without the
>>need for the mirror to flip up and back down. This is something
>>Canon 40D owners can do both in Liveview and Mirror Up mode. Sadly,
>>for some mysterious reason the mirror flips up and down even in
>>Liveview. I fear this behavior will cause motion blur, due to
>>Mirror vibrations, at such slow shutter speeds as 1/2-1/15 second.
>>Can anyone else confirm this D300 behavior, is there some good
>>reason for it, and might it be correctable with new firmware?
>>Perhaps with such a wide lens (Sigma 8mm f/3.5) I'm concerned about
>>nothing?
>>
>  > Also, in Mirror Up mode, my camera will not "auto" bracket these
>shots. I must press the shutter release 2-times for every shot
>(bracketed exposure) I take.
>>  -
>>  Regards,
>>  Peter Sale
>>  Santa Monica, CA USA

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[Peter Sale]

Hi Dan,
Many thanks for your prompt reply.

(1) I confirmed that the mirror flips down and back up while shooting exposure bracketed shots automatically in Liveview by simply
looking through the viewfinder. The viewfinder "blinked" from black to my subject during the sequence. The only way to "see" the
subject in the viewfinder is if the mirror flips down while my multiple shots are taken. Seems very silly way for the D300 to behave
while shooting multiple bracketed shots.

(2) I just wish the Nikon engineers simply left the mirror up, fired off as many bracket shots as I select, and, at the end of the
sequence, dropped the mirror back down.

(3) Yes, I know there are two modes. Just not sure what good either one is for me when I'm attempting to shot automatically
bracketed exposures. I might as well just stay in "through the Viewfinder mode?"

Best Regards,
Peter
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On Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:29 PM, dsoc01 wrote:

> Peter,
>
> You're right.  The mirror does flip down & up for each exposure, even
> though the mirror was already up for Live View.  Sure don't make
> sense to me.  (Manual Focus ON, lens removed for visual verification.)
>
> In any case, I suspect the Nikon engineers had already considered
> this (presumably).  If you refer to the last paragraph of P. 90 of
> the D300 manual, "To reduce blur in tripod mode, choose ON for Custom
> Setting d9 ([Exposure delay mode], pg. 285)".  Perhaps, this will
> hopefully alleviate any mirror-induced motion blur during HDR
> bracketing?
>
> Hey, did you know there were 2 modes within the Live View?  Handheld
> and Tripod?  I didn't.  :-)
>
> Dan
>
>
> At 12:32 PM -0700 7/20/08, aiwetir wrote:
>> i don't think it should be a concern for the resolution of your
>> final product, if it is do the other method
>>
>> however it's annoying i agree. i've used a d300 and just did the
>> double shutter release thing which didn't bother me.
>>
>> i would like them to change how to shoot 4 stops bracketed without
>> taking so many photos
>>
>> mmm
>> <http://pdxvr.com>http://pdxvr.com
>> <http://medina-photo.com>http://medina-photo.com
>>
>> On 20 Jul 2008, at 12:19, Peter Sale wrote:
>>
>>  >
>>>
>>>  I am a real estate agent, and almost most of the photos I take are
>>> of property interiors, with a few exterior shots thrown in. Ref
>>> http://www.150oceanpark523vr.com for some typical images. I also
>>> shoot full screen High Dynamic Range (HDR) panoramas of some of
>>> these properties. Ref http://2www.115thirdvr.com/ for some examples
>>> of these sort of VR images. I am very pleased with the performance
>>> of my Nikon with respect to shooting these sort of photos. However,
>>> I'm always trying to improve my "skills", especially with respect
>>> to HDR VR images. All that being said, I have just now discovered
>>> something surprising with respect to my D300's Live View feature.
>>>
>>>  Shooting such HDR VR interiors involves automatic exposure
>>> bracketing, changing only the shutter speed while holding the
>>> F-stop constant at, say, f/5.6 or f/8. Sometimes, actually quite
>>> often, I bracket my shots at speeds down to 1/2 or 1/4 second all
>>> the way up to 1/250 second. I have been experimenting with Live
>>> View as a possible way to shoot these bracketed shots without the
>>> need for the mirror to flip up and back down. This is something
>>> Canon 40D owners can do both in Liveview and Mirror Up mode. Sadly,
>>> for some mysterious reason the mirror flips up and down even in
>>> Liveview. I fear this behavior will cause motion blur, due to
>>> Mirror vibrations, at such slow shutter speeds as 1/2-1/15 second.
>>> Can anyone else confirm this D300 behavior, is there some good
>>> reason for it, and might it be correctable with new firmware?
>>> Perhaps with such a wide lens (Sigma 8mm f/3.5) I'm concerned about
>>> nothing?
>>>
>>  > Also, in Mirror Up mode, my camera will not "auto" bracket these
>> shots. I must press the shutter release 2-times for every shot
>> (bracketed exposure) I take.
>>>  -
>>>  Regards,
>>>  Peter Sale
>>>  Santa Monica, CA USA
>
>
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[Uri Cogan]

Peter Sale wrote:

> I am a real estate agent, and almost most of the photos I take are of
> property interiors, with a few exterior shots thrown in. Ref
> www.150oceanpark523vr.com for some typical images. I also shoot full
> screen High Dynamic Range (HDR) panoramas of some of these
> properties. Ref http://2www.115thirdvr.com/ 
> <http://2www.115thirdvr.com/> for some examples of these sort of VR
> images.
>










I was unable to access your http://2www.115thirdvr.com/ 
<http://2www.115thirdvr.com/>  - Firefox can't find the server at
2www.115thirdvr.com.


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[Peter Sale]

Ops, typo, I meant http://www.2115thirdvr.com . Sorry.

Best Regards,
Peter
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On Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:15 PM, Uri Cogan wrote:

> Peter Sale wrote:
>
>> I am a real estate agent, and almost most of the photos I take are of
>> property interiors, with a few exterior shots thrown in. Ref
>> www.150oceanpark523vr.com for some typical images. I also shoot full
>> screen High Dynamic Range (HDR) panoramas of some of these
>> properties. Ref http://2www.115thirdvr.com/
>> <http://2www.115thirdvr.com/> for some examples of these sort of VR
>> images.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I was unable to access your http://2www.115thirdvr.com/
> <http://2www.115thirdvr.com/>  - Firefox can't find the server at
> 2www.115thirdvr.com.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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[Uri Cogan]

Peter Sale wrote:


> Ops, typo, I meant http://www.2115thirdvr.com 
> <http://www.2115thirdvr.com> . Sorry.
>






Hmmm.. The panoramas on that page do not open for me in either Firefox
or Safari on an Intel Macintosh (OS 10.5.4). Unfortunately the menu for
choosing viewers does not appear on the Mac either.

The panoramas do display correctly in IE in a PC runningVista.


Uri
http://www.uricogan.com


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[Peter Sale]

Hi Uri,
That is both surprising and unfortunate. I don't know where to begin to get my site to properly display on those two browsers in the
MAC environment. Any hints would be appreciated.
-
Regards,
Peter Sale
Santa Monica, CA USA

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On Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:21 PM, Uri Cogan wrote:

> Peter Sale wrote:
>
>
>> Ops, typo, I meant http://www.2115thirdvr.com
>> <http://www.2115thirdvr.com> . Sorry.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hmmm.. The panoramas on that page do not open for me in either Firefox
> or Safari on an Intel Macintosh (OS 10.5.4). Unfortunately the menu
> for choosing viewers does not appear on the Mac either.
>
> The panoramas do display correctly in IE in a PC runningVista.
>
>
> Uri
> http://www.uricogan.com

[PanoToolsNG.10.m8]

There are two modes for LiveView from my reading(as I don't have one of
these beasties "yet"), the two modes use different methods of metering.

One mode,(which I believe you were using) uses the standard metering, which
requires the camera to drop the mirror to take that reading before lifting
the mirror again to then actually take the shot.

The other mode, meters through the actual sensor which "shouldn't" require
the mirror to be dropped and raised. Like any P&S camera this takes longer
before a shot can be taken.(the classic P&S delay between trigger and
getting the shot)

Cheers,
Darren.
 

)-----Original Message-----
)From: Peter Sale
)
)Hi Dan,
)Many thanks for your prompt reply.
)
)(1) I confirmed that the mirror flips down and back up while
)shooting exposure bracketed shots automatically in Liveview by
)simply looking through the viewfinder. The viewfinder
)"blinked" from black to my subject during the sequence. The
)only way to "see" the subject in the viewfinder is if the
)mirror flips down while my multiple shots are taken. Seems
)very silly way for the D300 to behave while shooting multiple
)bracketed shots.
)
)(2) I just wish the Nikon engineers simply left the mirror up,
)fired off as many bracket shots as I select, and, at the end
)of the sequence, dropped the mirror back down.
)
)(3) Yes, I know there are two modes. Just not sure what good
)either one is for me when I'm attempting to shot automatically
)bracketed exposures. I might as well just stay in "through the
)Viewfinder mode?"
)
)Best Regards,
)Peter
)-
)On Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:29 PM, dsoc01 wrote:
)
)> Peter,
)>
)> You're right.  The mirror does flip down & up for each
)exposure, even
)> though the mirror was already up for Live View.  Sure don't
)make sense
)> to me.  (Manual Focus ON, lens removed for visual verification.)
)>
)> In any case, I suspect the Nikon engineers had already
)considered this
)> (presumably).  If you refer to the last paragraph of P. 90
)of the D300
)> manual, "To reduce blur in tripod mode, choose ON for Custom Setting
)> d9 ([Exposure delay mode], pg. 285)".  Perhaps, this will hopefully
)> alleviate any mirror-induced motion blur during HDR bracketing?
)>
)> Hey, did you know there were 2 modes within the Live View?  Handheld
)> and Tripod?  I didn't.  :-)
)>
)> Dan
)>
)>
)> At 12:32 PM -0700 7/20/08, aiwetir wrote:
)>> i don't think it should be a concern for the resolution of

[Uri Cogan]

Peter Sale wrote:

> Hi Uri,
> That is both surprising and unfortunate. I don't know where to begin
> to get my site to properly display on those two browsers in the
> MAC environment. Any hints would be appreciated.
>








My HTML skills are not that good. Hopefully someone here may help. The
web page in question is at: http://www.2115thirdvr.com/ and for some
reason it does not display on my Mac.


Cheers, Uri.


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[Sacha Griffin]

It does not display in firefox on vista well. The devalvr is almost off the
page at the bottom. I am using the latest devalvr.

 

 

Sacha Griffin

Southern Digital Solutions LLC

http://www.southern-digital.com

http://www.seeit360.net

404-551-4275

 

 

 

From: PanoToolsNG@... [mailto:PanoToolsNG@...] On
Behalf Of Peter Sale
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:30 PM
To: PanoToolsNG@...
Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] D300 Live View & exposure bracketing

 

Hi Uri,
That is both surprising and unfortunate. I don't know where to begin to get
my site to properly display on those two browsers in the
MAC environment. Any hints would be appreciated.
-
Regards,
Peter Sale
Santa Monica, CA USA

-
On Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:21 PM, Uri Cogan wrote:

> Peter Sale wrote:
>
>
>> Ops, typo, I meant http://www.2115thirdvr.com
>> <http://www.2115thirdvr.com> . Sorry.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hmmm.. The panoramas on that page do not open for me in either Firefox
> or Safari on an Intel Macintosh (OS 10.5.4). Unfortunately the menu
> for choosing viewers does not appear on the Mac either.
>
> The panoramas do display correctly in IE in a PC runningVista.
>
>
> Uri
> http://www.uricogan.com

 



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