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by Felipe Sateler :: Rate this Message:

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Why does csound print everything to stderr instead of stdout? Trying to parse
csound output is painful this way (stderr needs to be redirected into stdout
first).

Saludos,
Felipe Sateler


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by Michael Gogins :: Rate this Message:

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Because audio can come in from stdin and go out to stdout, enabling Csound and other Unix audio commands to be chained together with pipes. At least, that's the idea, I've never actually tried it.

There are lot of older audio programs for Unix that work this way.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----

>From: Felipe Sateler <fsateler@...>
>Sent: Jul 6, 2008 6:02 PM
>To: Developer discussions <csound-devel@...>
>Subject: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>
>Why does csound print everything to stderr instead of stdout? Trying to parse
>csound output is painful this way (stderr needs to be redirected into stdout
>first).
>
>Saludos,
>Felipe Sateler




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Re: Csound output

by Felipe Sateler :: Rate this Message:

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El 06/07/08 22:16 Michael Gogins escribió:
> Because audio can come in from stdin and go out to stdout, enabling Csound
> and other Unix audio commands to be chained together with pipes. At least,
> that's the idea, I've never actually tried it.

And how is one supposed to do that? a quick check shows that -o- doesn't work.
Also, named pipes should cover most cases.

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Re: Csound output

by Bobby McNulty-6 :: Rate this Message:

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You know nothing about Unix or computers, Filipe.
stdin is a named pipe. Standard IO. Input/output.
What comes in goes out. Same as life and this  bull you are saying.

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Re: Csound output

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I beg to differ, Felipe knows a great deal about computers and *nix,
and is also the maintainer of the Csound Debian packages and is pretty
well respected around here.

Also, stdin/stdout are not named pipes.

steven

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Bobby <bobby19646075@...> wrote:

> You know nothing about Unix or computers, Filipe.
> stdin is a named pipe. Standard IO. Input/output.
> What comes in goes out. Same as life and this  bull you are saying.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Michael Gogins" <gogins@...>; "Developer discussions"
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> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
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Re: Csound output

by Bobby McNulty-6 :: Rate this Message:

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I know what they are.
They are part of C.
Which is what Unix is based on.
Unix was out first, and ATT created it. I've talked with the creator of Unix
and C.
By the its Bobby McNulty. I'm back.
I have Visual Studio 2008 express on my computer and am getting ready to get
back
into programming Csound.
I am on Windows XP for now.
I use the GUI for Csound. Gogin's Csound does work.
Filepe, your messages are being broadcasted all over the net, so be careful
what you say.
You came off as negative, So be carefull.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Yi" <stevenyi@...>
To: "Developer discussions" <csound-devel@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output


>I beg to differ, Felipe knows a great deal about computers and *nix,
> and is also the maintainer of the Csound Debian packages and is pretty
> well respected around here.
>
> Also, stdin/stdout are not named pipes.
>
> steven
>
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Bobby <bobby19646075@...> wrote:
>> You know nothing about Unix or computers, Filipe.
>> stdin is a named pipe. Standard IO. Input/output.
>> What comes in goes out. Same as life and this  bull you are saying.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Felipe Sateler" <fsateler@...>
>> To: "Michael Gogins" <gogins@...>; "Developer discussions"
>> <csound-devel@...>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>>
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Re: Csound output

by Fons Adriaensen-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:38:13AM -0500, Bobby wrote:

> I know what they are.
> They are part of C.
> Which is what Unix is based on.

If you try to suggest that stdin, stdout and stderr exist
in Unix because they are part of C, that is completely
wrong. You are just demonstrating your ignorance.

> Unix was out first, and ATT created it. I've talked with
> the creator of Unix and C.

It doesn't show, and must have been a waste of time for the
person concerned.

> Filepe, your messages are being broadcasted all over the net,
> so be careful what you say.

Same for yours. You're trying quite hard to make a fool of
yourself. Not only by showing off your ignorance, but also
by pre-puberal language.

> You came off as negative, So be carefull.

You could try to get your grammar and spelling correct.

Ciao,

--
FA

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O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !




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Parent Message unknown Re: Csound output

by Michael Gogins :: Rate this Message:

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Can we please keep personal disrespect, deserved or not, off the list?

Thanks,
Mike


-----Original Message-----

>From: Fons Adriaensen <fons@...>
>Sent: Jul 7, 2008 9:17 AM
>To: csound-devel@...
>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>
>On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:38:13AM -0500, Bobby wrote:
>
>> I know what they are.
>> They are part of C.
>> Which is what Unix is based on.
>
>If you try to suggest that stdin, stdout and stderr exist
>in Unix because they are part of C, that is completely
>wrong. You are just demonstrating your ignorance.
>
>> Unix was out first, and ATT created it. I've talked with
>> the creator of Unix and C.
>
>It doesn't show, and must have been a waste of time for the
>person concerned.
>
>> Filepe, your messages are being broadcasted all over the net,
>> so be careful what you say.
>
>Same for yours. You're trying quite hard to make a fool of
>yourself. Not only by showing off your ignorance, but also
>by pre-puberal language.
>
>> You came off as negative, So be carefull.
>
>You could try to get your grammar and spelling correct.
>
>Ciao,
>
>--
>FA
>
>Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
>Parma, Italia
>
>O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
>E guerra e morte !
>
>
>
>
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Re: Csound output

by Bobby McNulty-6 :: Rate this Message:

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They are angry about the sports. Sports Sports Sports.
Michael, Csound does work here. I tried it.
Which one should I dowload for XP Professional, the d or the f?


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From: "Michael Gogins" <gogins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:42 AM
To: "Developer discussions" <csound-devel@...>
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output

> Can we please keep personal disrespect, deserved or not, off the list?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Fons Adriaensen <fons@...>
>>Sent: Jul 7, 2008 9:17 AM
>>To: csound-devel@...
>>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>>
>>On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:38:13AM -0500, Bobby wrote:
>>
>>> I know what they are.
>>> They are part of C.
>>> Which is what Unix is based on.
>>
>>If you try to suggest that stdin, stdout and stderr exist
>>in Unix because they are part of C, that is completely
>>wrong. You are just demonstrating your ignorance.
>>
>>> Unix was out first, and ATT created it. I've talked with
>>> the creator of Unix and C.
>>
>>It doesn't show, and must have been a waste of time for the
>>person concerned.
>>
>>> Filepe, your messages are being broadcasted all over the net,
>>> so be careful what you say.
>>
>>Same for yours. You're trying quite hard to make a fool of
>>yourself. Not only by showing off your ignorance, but also
>>by pre-puberal language.
>>
>>> You came off as negative, So be carefull.
>>
>>You could try to get your grammar and spelling correct.
>>
>>Ciao,
>>
>>--
>>FA
>>
>>Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
>>Parma, Italia
>>
>>O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
>>E guerra e morte !
>>
>>
>>
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Parent Message unknown Re: Csound output

by Michael Gogins :: Rate this Message:

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It depends on what you want to do. Basically, for anything that is not real time, you want -d because a few things sound better and you get more features. If you are doing real-time performance, -f runs about 15% faster and that can be important in some situations.

Hope this helps,
Mike

-----Original Message-----

>From: Bobby <bobby19646075@...>
>Sent: Jul 7, 2008 10:16 AM
>To: Michael Gogins <gogins@...>, Developer discussions <csound-devel@...>
>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>
>They are angry about the sports. Sports Sports Sports.
>Michael, Csound does work here. I tried it.
>Which one should I dowload for XP Professional, the d or the f?
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Michael Gogins" <gogins@...>
>Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:42 AM
>To: "Developer discussions" <csound-devel@...>
>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>
>> Can we please keep personal disrespect, deserved or not, off the list?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Fons Adriaensen <fons@...>
>>>Sent: Jul 7, 2008 9:17 AM
>>>To: csound-devel@...
>>>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>>>
>>>On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:38:13AM -0500, Bobby wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know what they are.
>>>> They are part of C.
>>>> Which is what Unix is based on.
>>>
>>>If you try to suggest that stdin, stdout and stderr exist
>>>in Unix because they are part of C, that is completely
>>>wrong. You are just demonstrating your ignorance.
>>>
>>>> Unix was out first, and ATT created it. I've talked with
>>>> the creator of Unix and C.
>>>
>>>It doesn't show, and must have been a waste of time for the
>>>person concerned.
>>>
>>>> Filepe, your messages are being broadcasted all over the net,
>>>> so be careful what you say.
>>>
>>>Same for yours. You're trying quite hard to make a fool of
>>>yourself. Not only by showing off your ignorance, but also
>>>by pre-puberal language.
>>>
>>>> You came off as negative, So be carefull.
>>>
>>>You could try to get your grammar and spelling correct.
>>>
>>>Ciao,
>>>
>>>--
>>>FA
>>>
>>>Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
>>>Parma, Italia
>>>
>>>O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
>>>E guerra e morte !
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Csound output

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OK Great to be back. i will download the d and get ready to rumble in Csound
again. I really do like the program.
Seen it grow up in the past 10 years.
Thanks.

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From: "Michael Gogins" <gogins@...>
To: "Bobby" <bobby19646075@...>; "Developer discussions"
<csound-devel@...>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output


> It depends on what you want to do. Basically, for anything that is not
> real time, you want -d because a few things sound better and you get more
> features. If you are doing real-time performance, -f runs about 15% faster
> and that can be important in some situations.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bobby <bobby19646075@...>
>>Sent: Jul 7, 2008 10:16 AM
>>To: Michael Gogins <gogins@...>, Developer discussions
>><csound-devel@...>
>>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>>
>>They are angry about the sports. Sports Sports Sports.
>>Michael, Csound does work here. I tried it.
>>Which one should I dowload for XP Professional, the d or the f?
>>
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>From: "Michael Gogins" <gogins@...>
>>Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:42 AM
>>To: "Developer discussions" <csound-devel@...>
>>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>>
>>> Can we please keep personal disrespect, deserved or not, off the list?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Fons Adriaensen <fons@...>
>>>>Sent: Jul 7, 2008 9:17 AM
>>>>To: csound-devel@...
>>>>Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Csound output
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:38:13AM -0500, Bobby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know what they are.
>>>>> They are part of C.
>>>>> Which is what Unix is based on.
>>>>
>>>>If you try to suggest that stdin, stdout and stderr exist
>>>>in Unix because they are part of C, that is completely
>>>>wrong. You are just demonstrating your ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>> Unix was out first, and ATT created it. I've talked with
>>>>> the creator of Unix and C.
>>>>
>>>>It doesn't show, and must have been a waste of time for the
>>>>person concerned.
>>>>
>>>>> Filepe, your messages are being broadcasted all over the net,
>>>>> so be careful what you say.
>>>>
>>>>Same for yours. You're trying quite hard to make a fool of
>>>>yourself. Not only by showing off your ignorance, but also
>>>>by pre-puberal language.
>>>>
>>>>> You came off as negative, So be carefull.
>>>>
>>>>You could try to get your grammar and spelling correct.
>>>>
>>>>Ciao,
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>FA
>>>>
>>>>Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
>>>>Parma, Italia
>>>>
>>>>O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
>>>>E guerra e morte !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Csound output

by Richard Dobson :: Rate this Message:

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Steven Yi wrote:
> I beg to differ, Felipe knows a great deal about computers and *nix,
> and is also the maintainer of the Csound Debian packages and is pretty
> well respected around here.
>
> Also, stdin/stdout are not named pipes.
>

Indeed - they are not pipes at all. They are sources and a destination
("streams" in modern parlance) for data that could be sent, OS
permitting, through a pipe. Early generations of unix audio tools (such
as the CARL distribution) tended to write audio data to stdout as
(usually) text floatsams, and read audio input likewise through stdin,
relying on the unix pipe infrastructure to create chains of processes
the final destination of which would be a file of some sort. In such a
situation, of course, all informative text output has to be routed
separately from the audio stream, hence the use of stderr.

Richard Dobson



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