Nabble - Croquet - User

Really slow loading of minuscule island

2008-05-12T11:22:40Z

I've created a small island by reusing the "Croquet(Master)" island. All it
does is load in a single character that I'm animating from an external
application, so at startup all you have is the avater (say White Rabbit) and
this character which (copying Mark McCahill's little video) I snarfed from SL,
using Poser to add a couple of extra animations. Why would this take 2 minutes
or more to load? Is there some better way of doing this than with obj and bhv
files? I'm ready to hack code if there's a solution.

Thanks,

Matthew

Eye Candy at 4pm EST: HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS, AND ENVIRONMENTS [Immersive Education in-world MEETING and DEMOS]

2008-05-09T10:01:28Z

Below are details on our meeting and demonstration session that
was rescheduled for today. We'll be joined by Dr. H. Nicholas Nagel who
will discuss open art paths and professional 3D content development tools such
as Maya, Max, and Blender. Aside from a rich trove of eye candy (see the videos
and images at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/) we'll have an opportunity
to talk about how high resolution graphics can have a significant positive
impact on immersive learning experiences. Regards, Aaron

...::::::: HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS AND ENVIRONMENTS :::::::....

...........................................................................
Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
...........................................................................

WHAT: High resolution avatars, objects, and environments [MEETING & DEMOS]
WHEN: FRIDAY May 9th, 2008 from 4-5pm EST
WHERE: http://slurl.com/secondlife/research%20center/122/142/651

.:: join the Immersive Education Second Life GROUP for in-world event ::.
.:: invitations (see http://immersiveeducation.org/events/#join_group) ::.

Join us in the graphics sphere at Oddfellow Studios to discuss how high
resolution graphics will soon transform Immersive Education. Support for high
resolution avatars, objects and environments is a requirement for the next
generation (3rd generation) of Immersive Education that is now under
development. During this meeting we'll discuss and see examples of: high
resolution avatars; high resolution objects and environments; photo-based
modeling technology that enables high resolution avatars to be automatically
created from a photograph of your face; current and next generation graphics
rendering engines and game engines; open file formats and open art paths that
enable "CREATE ONCE, EXPERIENCE EVERYWHERE".

See Meeting Materials at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for details,
images and videos related to this in-world meeting.

This meeting starts at 4pm EST (1pm pacific / Second Life time) and ends at 5pm
EST, with additional time beyond that allocated to questions and further
discussion.

...........................................................................
Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
...........................................................................

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Skeletal Animation

2008-05-08T16:37:31Z

Hello All,

After lurking at yesterdays meeting(and hearing that the SA package is not
working with the Cobalt Morph) I tested the Skeletal Animation Package with:
http://www.dmu.com/cobalt/CrusoeWeb.zip
rather than one of my other Cobalt Images and got a working example.
An odd side effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYwc_OwOT4o
the plane shows the grass.bmp and panel.jpg relative to avatar movement.
Not sure if this will help trace back the bug in the Cobalt-Morph. I've been
tearing my hair out over this, glad to know I wasn't doing anything to silly.

wfpi

[Croquet Cobalt] Conference Call Today - 2008-05-07

2008-05-07T09:01:19Z

Hello all,

Please enter your agenda items here
http://groups.google.com/group/cobaltcroquet/web/conference-call-agenda---2008-05-07
for Wednesday's conference call.

When:
The call will begin 2008-05-07 at 21:00 UTC:
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=5&day=07&year=2008&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=256
5:00 PM EST
4:00 PM CST
3:00 PM MST
2:00 PM PST

Darius will lead this call unless Julian or Mark wish to.
Text chat: We can use this jabber group account: cobalt@... during the conference call and try to summarize the conversation there.
We will use a phone-based call for the conference at 1-888-847-3445
(toll-free) with passcode 1 2 6 6 4 6 # [no spaces].

Agenda Items so far:

* Review agenda, additions, deletions
* Completed
o Julian - "Squeak by Example" text to Twain
o Twain - Translation has started
o John
+ Style and Structure
+ NAT Traversal - posted on web page
* Old Business
o Julian
+ Highlight Cobalt in the consortium wiki
+ Building sponsor support
o Mark
+ Auto Error Posting to Web site
+ Debugging Tools
+ IBM connection
+ Internet2 connection
o John
+ NAT Traversal
o Peter
+ Character animation
+ Possible Neverwinter Night learning project
migration
+ Avatar controls
o Twain Twain - Progress on Two Prong Approach
+ Translations
+ Culture exchange universities
o Mike
+ Island tracker/registry, "Tracker"
host@...
+ Ask who needs the PDF translation
+ Router Hosting
o Darius
+ Twine discussion with Twain
+ How Aaron Walsh can help with community support
+ Abstracting menu system to allow for CAD, others -
(How does Sophie use Tweak?)

* New Business
o ...

* Team efforts
o Report on how working together on chat-while-development
is working
o Make sure we're not overselling
o Make sure other organizations know of Cobalt's potential
o Review Mantis Items before each meeting
o Ideas for the Hearing Impaired

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Eye Candy this Friday: HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS, AND ENVIRONMENTS [Immersive Education in-world MEETING and DEMOS]

2008-05-07T07:00:32Z

Below are details on our in-world ad-hoc meeting and demonstration session that
was rescheduled for this Friday. We'll be joined by Dr. H. Nicholas Nagel who
will discuss open art paths and professional 3D content development tools such
as Maya, Max, and Blender. Aside from a rich trove of eye candy (see the videos
and images at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/) we'll have an opportunity
to talk about how high resolution graphics can have a significant positive
impact on immersive learning experiences. Regards, Aaron

...::::::: HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS AND ENVIRONMENTS :::::::....

...........................................................................
Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
...........................................................................

WHAT: High resolution avatars, objects, and environments [MEETING & DEMOS]
WHEN: FRIDAY May 9th, 2008 from 4-5pm EST
WHERE: http://slurl.com/secondlife/research%20center/122/142/651

.:: join the Immersive Education Second Life GROUP for in-world event ::.
.:: invitations (see http://immersiveeducation.org/events/#join_group) ::.

Join us in the graphics sphere at Oddfellow Studios to discuss how high
resolution graphics will soon transform Immersive Education. Support for high
resolution avatars, objects and environments is a requirement for the next
generation (3rd generation) of Immersive Education that is now under
development. During this meeting we'll discuss and see examples of: high
resolution avatars; high resolution objects and environments; photo-based
modeling technology that enables high resolution avatars to be automatically
created from a photograph of your face; current and next generation graphics
rendering engines and game engines; open file formats and open art paths that
enable "CREATE ONCE, EXPERIENCE EVERYWHERE".

See Meeting Materials at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for details,
images and videos related to this in-world meeting.

This meeting starts at 4pm EST (1pm pacific / Second Life time) and ends at 5pm
EST, with additional time beyond that allocated to questions and further
discussion.

...........................................................................
Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
...........................................................................

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Digital clock inside an island

2008-05-03T06:32:54Z

Very easy to create, like you can see at the new lesson of our Manual,
available now.

Immersive Education meetings rescheduled (May 9th and...)

2008-05-02T10:46:53Z

Hello everyone, because of the Second Life outage on Apr 25 we've rescheduled
that meeting (our "HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS, AND ENVIRONMENTS" meeting)
for next Friday (May 9th). We're also in the process of rescheduling the
Wonderland event that was previously scheduled for today (the high-res meeting
comes first since we talk about graphics and the Wonderland rendering engine,
and then the Wonderland meeting follows with that bit of high-res conversation
in mind).

Starting with the Wonderland meeting (date still to be set) we'll start having
our meetings on Education Grid servers that are hosted by universities and
academic organizations. These will happen using all 3 of our Immersive Education
platforms (Wonderland, the open source Second Life viewer, and Cobalt/Croquet).
For a period of time we'll continue to have some meetings in Second Life on the
Linden Labs servers because the Education Grid servers are very early stage and
under active development, but over time we'll transition entirely to the
Education Grid where we'll have backup (failover) servers on different network
segments and hosted by different universities. In cases where we have meetings
on commercial grids (such as the main Second Life grid) we'll always provide
backup locations on the Education Grid so that even if a service goes down we
can have our meetings without interruption. Our backup/failsafe Education
servers for Second Life should be ready by the end of this summer, perhaps even
sooner.

As usual I'll post announcements about next Friday's meeting early next week and
on the day of the meeting itself, and I'm looking forward to seeing you all
there. If you're curious about the materials we'll cover in that conversation
you'll see some (but not all) of the images and videos already online at:

http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/

Have a nice weekend, everyone.

Aaron

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Interaction between 2D objects

2008-05-02T05:52:46Z

How to work having many 2D objects inside a Panel beeing inside an island. By
example: how to click a 2D button to read an SQL database and write the
results in the Panel.

Is the new lesson (not so dificult like the example) of our Manual.

Any doubt, let us know here.

First lesson about the creation of multiplayer 2D applications

2008-05-01T06:03:01Z

I am not a Second Life expert but I believe that they have not this resource.

A 2D application can be shared if it is inside a Cobalt island.

We have now, at our Manual for Creators, the first lesson (2 parts) about the
use of Squeak for the creation of 2D shared applications inside Cobalt.

We will have many other lessons about Squeak + Cobalt.

Enjoy.

Having any doubt, let us know it here.

New lessons

2008-04-29T06:45:08Z

There are 3 new lessons available at our Manual for "island creators".

The fun is back! CoBlocks is available!

2008-04-27T16:38:06Z

Soory but there are some problem in the link. Copy and paste in your Browser:

http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Island_Constructor/CoBlocks_Island_Constru
ctor_Manual

The fun is back! CoBlocks is available!

2008-04-27T16:36:00Z

Correct (I hope) link:

http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Island_Constructor/CoBlocks_Island_Constru
ctor_Manual

The fun is back! CoBlocks is available!

2008-04-27T16:31:42Z

If you hate Blender...
If you hate programming...

And would like to construct Cobalt islands; CoBlocks is for you.

CoBlocks is a "prove of concept", not a finish product. We are presenting how
a product like this can be made, to facilitate the construction of Cobalt
islands.

Read the lessons of the manual and try to construct an island using the prefab
blocks.

There are an "inteligent block": a door that opens when clicked.

You can test the door in two islands, in two computers under a WiFi network and
will see that it opens synchronized when someone clicks it.

You can think that CoBlocks is useless. But imagine AE puting available
all the objects of "The Sims" for the easy creation of customized Cobalt
islands...

The Manual has only 4 lessons and you can find it at:

http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Island_Constructor/CoBlocks_Island_Constru
ctor_Manual

Enjoy!

Americo

Re: printing out object info

2008-04-25T21:31:43Z

Dur!

always nice when you can answer you own questions. For any other newbie like me:

1.) In a system browser select the object/ class in question

2.) LMB on the object and select file out in the pop up menu

3.) an st. file will appear in Cobalt/cobalt-base-current-build/object.st

4.) open with the text editor of your choice to view & print ;)

sweet, now I can pencil in notes when I print it out!

best,

wfpi

(sorry if you get a glitch in the matrix, not sure if I sent this already)

On 4/22/08, waufrepi@... <waufrepi@...> wrote:

Is there another way to print out the class comments, and the code for the
associated class methods. I like to use old fashioed pen and paper to mark up
notes and jot down ideas. I've been copying and pasting to open-office writer
and printing from there.

thanks,
jOhn

Deja vu - RAIN DAY 2! (Re: Eye Candy today at 4pm EST - HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS, AND ENVIRONMENTS [Immersive Education in-world MEETING and DEMOS]

2008-04-25T13:23:38Z

Deja vu?

Hello everyone, if you've been trying to join our meeting in Second Life we've officially called this one on account of digital rain as well. Here's a note I wrote to one of our group members just moments ago summarizing this unfortunate case of deja vu... Julian, can you make the rain cloud on your blog *bigger* and *darker* this time around?! Second time's not a charm, by any stretch of the imagination:

Hi Suzi, it looks like we have rain day #2 now -- all of Second Life is down, and as result we'll need to reschedule today's event. Starting next month we'll have early-stage nodes (servers) on the Education Grid going live, allowing us to host events on our own servers (with backup nodes for redundancy), but until then our Second Life meetings are unfortunately subject to outages such as this. Here's the post made earlier today about the outage that has us rescheduling today's in-world meeting:
......................................................................................................................................
Teeple Linden teeple at lindenlab.com
Fri Apr 25 13:06:54 PDT 2008

Logins have temporarily been restricted to staff-only as Operations
addresses a slowdown in the asset system. We’ve also broadcast a request
in world for residents who are currently logged in to refrain from
manipulating or transferring assets. We’ll have more info ASAP.
......................................................................................................................................

I'll circulate an updated schedule after talking with our guest speaker today and the speakers for next week's event (we may shift this meeting to next week, or the week after next depending on our guest speaker schedules).

Regards,
Aaron
| On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:47:13 -0400
| "Aaron E. Walsh" <walshag@...> wrote:
| Greetings once more; below are details on our in-world ad-hoc meeting and
| demonstration session today. We'll be joined by Dr. H. Nicholas Nagel who
| will discuss open art paths and professional 3D content development tools such
| as Maya, Max, and Blender. Aside from a rich trove of eye candy (see the videos
| and images at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/) we'll have an opportunity
| to talk about how high resolution graphics can have a significant positive
| impact on immersive learning experiences. Regards, Aaron
|
|
|
| ...::::::: HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS AND ENVIRONMENTS :::::::....
|
| ...........................................................................
| Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
| meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
| ...........................................................................
|
| WHAT: High resolution avatars, objects, and environments [MEETING & DEMOS]
| WHEN: FRIDAY April 25, 2008 from 4-5pm EST
| WHERE: http://slurl.com/secondlife/research%20center/122/142/651
|
| .:: join the Immersive Education Second Life GROUP for in-world event ::.
| .:: invitations (see http://immersiveeducation.org/events/#join_group) ::.
|
| Join us in the graphics sphere at Oddfellow Studios to discuss how high
| resolution graphics will soon transform Immersive Education. Support for high
| resolution avatars, objects and environments is a requirement for the next
| generation (3rd generation) of Immersive Education that is now under
| development. During this meeting we'll discuss and see examples of: high
| resolution avatars; high resolution objects and environments; photo-based
| modeling technology that enables high resolution avatars to be automatically
| created from a photograph of your face; current and next generation graphics
| rendering engines and game engines; open file formats and open art paths that
| enable "CREATE ONCE, EXPERIENCE EVERYWHERE".
|
| See Meeting Materials at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for details,
| images and videos related to this in-world meeting.
|
| This meeting starts at 4pm EST (1pm pacific / Second Life time) and ends at 5pm
| EST, with additional time beyond that allocated to questions and further
| discussion.
|
| ...........................................................................
| Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
| meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
| ...........................................................................
|
|
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| Immersive Education: http://ImmersiveEducation.org
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Eye Candy today at 4pm EST - HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS, AND ENVIRONMENTS [Immersive Education in-world MEETING and DEMOS]

2008-04-25T07:47:13Z

Greetings once more; below are details on our in-world ad-hoc meeting and
demonstration session today. We'll be joined by Dr. H. Nicholas Nagel who
will discuss open art paths and professional 3D content development tools such
as Maya, Max, and Blender. Aside from a rich trove of eye candy (see the videos
and images at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/) we'll have an opportunity
to talk about how high resolution graphics can have a significant positive
impact on immersive learning experiences. Regards, Aaron

...::::::: HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS AND ENVIRONMENTS :::::::....

...........................................................................
Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
...........................................................................

WHAT: High resolution avatars, objects, and environments [MEETING & DEMOS]
WHEN: FRIDAY April 25, 2008 from 4-5pm EST
WHERE: http://slurl.com/secondlife/research%20center/122/142/651

.:: join the Immersive Education Second Life GROUP for in-world event ::.
.:: invitations (see http://immersiveeducation.org/events/#join_group) ::.

Join us in the graphics sphere at Oddfellow Studios to discuss how high
resolution graphics will soon transform Immersive Education. Support for high
resolution avatars, objects and environments is a requirement for the next
generation (3rd generation) of Immersive Education that is now under
development. During this meeting we'll discuss and see examples of: high
resolution avatars; high resolution objects and environments; photo-based
modeling technology that enables high resolution avatars to be automatically
created from a photograph of your face; current and next generation graphics
rendering engines and game engines; open file formats and open art paths that
enable "CREATE ONCE, EXPERIENCE EVERYWHERE".

See Meeting Materials at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for details,
images and videos related to this in-world meeting.

This meeting starts at 4pm EST (1pm pacific / Second Life time) and ends at 5pm
EST, with additional time beyond that allocated to questions and further
discussion.

...........................................................................
Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
...........................................................................

--
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Immersive Education: http://ImmersiveEducation.org
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Lesson 18: Does your island need an

2008-04-25T04:37:37Z

The direct address to the lesson 18 is:

http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Island_Creator/Class:_Ordered_Collection

Lesson 18: Does your island need an "Inventory"?

2008-04-25T04:25:08Z

If your island (or game) will have an "inventory" or you need to "Save the
game" or you need to have a score of the players etc. your Cobalt island needs
to access an external Database.

We will have some lessons about SQL Database access from a Cobalt island but,
to do this access, an "Ordered Collection" is an important intermediary
resource.

This new lesson (18) is about the Class Ordered Collection.

OK. If you don't know what is an SQL Database and you would like to create
"inteligent" Cobalt islands or games (and to make lots of money) it's time to
go to an University and a course of Computer Science or similar :-)

Tomorrow at 4pm EST - HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS, AND ENVIRONMENTS [Immersive Education in-world MEETING and DEMOS]

2008-04-24T12:33:08Z

Hello everyone.

Below are details for our in-world meeting and demos tomorrow (4-5pm EST).
Tomorrow during this event we'll be joined by Dr. H. Nicholas Nagel who
will discuss open art paths and professional 3D content development tools such
as Maya, Max, and Blender. Aside from a rich trove of eye candy (see the videos
and images at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/) we'll have an opportunity
to talk about how high resolution graphics can have a significant positive
impact on immersive learning experiences. Regards, Aaron

...........................................................................
Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
...........................................................................

::: HIGH RESOLUTION AVATARS, OBJECTS, AND ENVIRONMENTS :::

WHAT: High resolution avatars, objects, and environments [MEETING & DEMOS]
WHEN: FRIDAY April 25, 2008 from 4-5pm EST
WHERE: http://slurl.com/secondlife/research%20center/122/142/651

.:: join the Immersive Education Second Life GROUP for in-world event ::.
.:: invitations (see http://immersiveeducation.org/events/#join_group) ::.

Join us in the graphics sphere at Oddfellow Studios to discuss how high
resolution graphics will soon transform Immersive Education. Support for high
resolution avatars, objects and environments is a requirement for the next
generation (3rd generation) of Immersive Education that is now under
development. During this meeting we'll discuss and see examples of: high
resolution avatars; high resolution objects and environments; photo-based
modeling technology that enables high resolution avatars to be automatically
created from a photograph of your face; current and next generation graphics
rendering engines and game engines; open file formats and open art paths that
enable "CREATE ONCE, EXPERIENCE EVERYWHERE".

See Meeting Materials at http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for details,
images and videos related to this in-world meeting.

This meeting starts at 4pm EST (1pm pacific / Second Life time) and ends at 5pm
EST, with additional time beyond that allocated to questions and further
discussion.

...........................................................................
Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page,
meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details
...........................................................................
--
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Sorry, but I need to talk about

2008-04-24T10:25:24Z

> In future lessons we will present how to work using "CoBlocks".
>
> "CoBlocks" (Cobalt Blocks) is something like a virtual LEGO, having "idiot"
> and "inteligent" objects, to be grouped for the easy creation of a Cobalt
island.

This sounds a bit like 2nd-lifes primitives :)

> ...
> Our Manual is not a Manual for "end users" (kids of any age) . It's a Manual
> for "island creators". That are not Cobalt "developers", like Julian etc. The
> last are the "technical" people. We are the "non-technical". And for us is
> this list.

> I hope that everybody can understand these 3 levels.

Ok. Please let me repeat.
- Cobalt developers create the classes that make up the system
- Island developers create CoBlocks and/or Smalltalk classes/scripts to
assemble their world.
- End users start Cobalt for visiting given worlds

This is quite similar to the WWW, where coding the browser, designing the web
page and surfing the web is also delegated to these three roles.

Cheers...

Sorry, but I need to talk about

2008-04-24T08:14:57Z

Hi, Shin!

In future lessons we will present how to work using "CoBlocks".

"CoBlocks" (Cobalt Blocks) is something like a virtual LEGO, having "idiot" and
"inteligent" objects, to be grouped for the easy creation of a Cobalt island.

But the idea is that the reader of this Manual will know also how to create new
blocks, having or not inteligence - the blocks, not the readears :-)

And he also will have the competence for the creation of islands not having the
"LEGO-like" style.

Our Manual is not a Manual for "end users" (kids of any age) . It's a Manual
for "island creators". That are not Cobalt "developers", like Julian etc. The
last are the "technical" people. We are the "non-technical". And for us is
this list.

I hope that everybody can understand these 3 levels.

Lesson 17: The Class String

2008-04-24T06:25:30Z

Cobalt/Smalltalk has some basic Classes. You need to know all their
methods/functions for eventual use.

At this lesson we are presenting the main methods of the Class String.

Very basic and very important!

The address:

http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Island_Creator/Class:_String

By the way: Lesson 17 ? Yes! 6 "3D lessons" and 11 "2D lessons".

Our perspective is: aprox. 30 lessons...

All free! Can you believe?

Sorry, but I need to talk about

2008-04-24T05:55:35Z

Hola Damasceno!

Doesn't Cobalt head towards a "creative user"?

I mean, if Cobalt had a scripting interface like e-Toys, everybody could learn
how to activate programmed or imported objects.

What's sufficient for kids, cannot be too wrong for adults :)

Shin

1200 readers !

2008-04-23T12:42:32Z

You can see, at the botton of the lessons of our Manual that we have around
1200 constant readers. And the manual is a "work in progress" yet...

WOW!

Only for your information: a normal first edition of a commercial technical
book has around 2000 copies. The publisher pays their costs if a book has
around 1500 buyers.

I know it because I am a professional book writer. I have 14 books published
(in portuguese - some translated for spanish).

Thanks.

Sorry, but I need to talk about

2008-04-23T11:59:05Z

I know that some guys will hate it, but I need to say that...

if you like to create "inteligent" Cobalt islands, you need to know programming
and the Smalltalk language.

So, we are beginning some lessons about this subject. The first lesson is at:

http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Island_Creator/Smalltalk:_Quick_Reference

And I would like also to present, to everybody, at our "cultural moments", an
Argentine musician who tries to create a mix of Tango and Jazz. His name is
Astor Piazolla and you can see a YouTube video presenting his hit: "Adios
Nonino", at the address:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmP4bEJfOg&feature=related

Maybe it has nothing related to this list. Maybe it has...

Paul Who?

2008-04-23T11:33:57Z

Hi All,

Just incase you missed this post earlier; I figured I'd resend it with a
better subject to catch your attention.

Paul was already removed from the list.

So let the civilities resume.

Signed,

A big fan of Bert, and supporter of Julian's decision to moderate the list
in this way.

- Ron
________________________________________
From: Julian Lombardi [mailto:julian@...]

Done.

On Apr 23, 2008, at 7:45 AM, .

List owner, please remove Paul Sheldon from this list.

RE: Bert and Keyl complained about my webmail quotes hard to read

2008-04-23T11:24:04Z

Thank you Mark and Paul I must agree that I don't find some of your post
to be appropriate and I certainly will not stay on a list with what I
consider being inappropriate language. Think again about your focus
please.

Sincerely,
David
David Kirk

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark P. McCahill [mailto:mccahill@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:07 PM
To: croquet-user@...
Cc: Paul Sheldon; Bert Freudenberg
Subject: Re: [croquet-user] Bert and Keyl complained about my webmail
quotes hard to read

Bert -

I also want a reasonable signal to noise ratio. It hope we can avoid
going to a moderated list, but if that is what it takes to stay on
topic, then that is what we will have to do.

Like Bert, I am interested in a very diverse audience, but Paul,
please keep the conversation somehow related to croquet.

On Apr 23, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 23.04.2008, at 13:10, Paul Sheldon wrote:
>
>> Bert perceives weakness and attempts to tell me to please stop
>> everything
>
>
> I never wrote "everything". Croquet will only flourish when many
> diverse people contribute ideas, and as such, I appreciate your
> participation on this list.
>
> But I specifically wanted you to stop posting personal notes here
> that do not have anything to do with Croquet. And no, your
> reflections on forgetting mice, black holes, and iTunes lectures
> does not strike me as Croquet-related. *Maybe* if you had replied
> to a previous thread of discussion to provide a little bit of
> context. But you didn't. For the umptieth time.
>
> If I am the only one thinking this is too distracting for this
> list, so be it. I'll watch for a bit longer and when it becomes
> unbearable again, I'll simply unsubscribe. People can still get my
> attention on the dev list.
>
> Thanks, and have fun,
>
> - Bert -
>

Re: Bert and Keyl complained about my webmail quotes hard to read

2008-04-23T11:06:55Z

Bert -

I also want a reasonable signal to noise ratio. It hope we can avoid
going to a moderated list, but if that is what it takes to stay on
topic, then that is what we will have to do.

Like Bert, I am interested in a very diverse audience, but Paul,
please keep the conversation somehow related to croquet.

On Apr 23, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

Re: blender lessons with just mac track pad

2008-04-23T08:53:35Z

Am 23.04.2008 um 13:45 schrieb Eugen Leitl:

>
> List owner, please remove Paul Sheldon from this list.

+1 This is not the way to talk on a open list. Sorry.

Regards

Hans

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 05:42:22AM -0500, Paul Sheldon wrote:
>> Fuck you asshole; you stop this. You should be fired insulting a
>> user
>> like this. You asshole are killing this list. I want Lombardi, who
>> asked me personally to rejoin this list and Americo whom I love and
>> everybody to know how much I am offended by your lousy attitude.
>>
>> Go to he'll.
>>
>> On 4/23/08, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:
>>> On 23.04.2008, at 06:35, Paul Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Forgot mouses at home.
>>>>
>>>> Oh boy. I will see if I can find keyboard equivalents.
>>>>
>>>> Had too much fun avoiding falling in black hole while reading
>>>> blender
>>>> signs to find equivalents tonight. Also wanted to get regular walk
>>>> with iTunes university lecture to get sleep and avoid being grumpy.
>>>>
>>>> Good for health.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul, *please* stop this. Get a blog, or something.
>>>
>>> - Bert -
>>>
>>>
>>>
> --
> Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
> ______________________________________________________________
> ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org
> 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

Re: Bert and Keyl complained about my webmail quotes hard to read

2008-04-23T05:23:07Z

On 23.04.2008, at 13:10, Paul Sheldon wrote:

> Bert perceives weakness and attempts to tell me to please stop
> everything

I never wrote "everything". Croquet will only flourish when many
diverse people contribute ideas, and as such, I appreciate your
participation on this list.

But I specifically wanted you to stop posting personal notes here that
do not have anything to do with Croquet. And no, your reflections on
forgetting mice, black holes, and iTunes lectures does not strike me
as Croquet-related. *Maybe* if you had replied to a previous thread of
discussion to provide a little bit of context. But you didn't. For the
umptieth time.

If I am the only one thinking this is too distracting for this list,
so be it. I'll watch for a bit longer and when it becomes unbearable
again, I'll simply unsubscribe. People can still get my attention on
the dev list.

Thanks, and have fun,

- Bert -

Re: blender lessons with just mac track pad

2008-04-23T05:22:34Z

Done.

On Apr 23, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:

List owner, please remove Paul Sheldon from this list.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 05:42:22AM -0500, Paul Sheldon wrote:
Fuck you asshole; you stop this. You should be fired insulting a user
like this. You asshole are killing this list. I want Lombardi, who
asked me personally to rejoin this list and Americo whom I love and
everybody to know how much I am offended by your lousy attitude.

Go to he'll.

On 4/23/08, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:
On 23.04.2008, at 06:35, Paul Sheldon wrote:

Forgot mouses at home.

Oh boy. I will see if I can find keyboard equivalents.

Had too much fun avoiding falling in black hole while reading blender
signs to find equivalents tonight. Also wanted to get regular walk
with iTunes university lecture to get sleep and avoid being grumpy.

Good for health.

Paul, *please* stop this. Get a blog, or something.

- Bert -

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org
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Re: blender lessons with just mac track pad

2008-04-23T04:51:43Z

Paul Sheldon <eaglesunlimited@...> writes:

Hi

> Fuck you asshole; you stop this. You should be fired insulting a user
> like this. You asshole are killing this list. I want Lombardi, who
> asked me personally to rejoin this list and Americo whom I love and
> everybody to know how much I am offended by your lousy attitude.
> Go to he'll.

I guess, you should reconsider your attitude here. Bert was giving you a
very polite hint, that you are better move your thoughts to a blog. If
you further want to talk with people serious interested in croquet, behave more
calm and ... quiet. Never used my kill file before, but you are a
candidate.

bye
Enno

Re: blender lessons with just mac track pad

2008-04-23T04:45:45Z

List owner, please remove Paul Sheldon from this list.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 05:42:22AM -0500, Paul Sheldon wrote:

> Fuck you asshole; you stop this. You should be fired insulting a user
> like this. You asshole are killing this list. I want Lombardi, who
> asked me personally to rejoin this list and Americo whom I love and
> everybody to know how much I am offended by your lousy attitude.
>
> Go to he'll.
>
> On 4/23/08, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:
> > On 23.04.2008, at 06:35, Paul Sheldon wrote:
> >
> > > Forgot mouses at home.
> > >
> > > Oh boy. I will see if I can find keyboard equivalents.
> > >
> > > Had too much fun avoiding falling in black hole while reading blender
> > > signs to find equivalents tonight. Also wanted to get regular walk
> > > with iTunes university lecture to get sleep and avoid being grumpy.
> > >
> > > Good for health.
> >
> >
> > Paul, *please* stop this. Get a blog, or something.
> >
> > - Bert -
> >
> >
> >

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org
8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

Bert and Keyl complained about my webmail quotes hard to read

2008-04-23T04:10:22Z

I mess up a day thinking I hadn't gotten back on the list because of
gmsil preferences I not recieve. Genius Peter Moore heavy in animation
frameworks says please stop as his dismissal of what is going on as
just my stupidity rather than an interesting mystery.

And, because I do not attack genius, Peter Moore, for his
misunderstanding, Bert perceives weakness and attempts to tell me to
please stop everything; Bert Freudberg is a better croquet programmer
than I and I should please stop telling my every little lesson I learn
until I have something better to tell than him and worthy of his
attention.

Is this a users list of a user must impress Bert, a programmer.

What I suppose will happen is the only topic of discussion on this
list will be people asking what is the appropriate topic of
discussion.

I will get an e mail warning me to not curse insulting people on the
list and the list will be told I have been warned and then, because
everyone on the list won't want to be in my position of being on the
edge of dismissal, the only topic on the list will be people
clamboring for a moderator and talking about what the appropriate
topic should be rather than the topic, using croquet or blender
perhaps without a mouse if you happen to forget it and Bert won't
forgive.

Ladies and gentleman : it stands Bert is what he is and I pity the
fool who wants to get on his good side.

Re: blender lessons with just mac track pad

2008-04-23T03:42:22Z

Fuck you asshole; you stop this. You should be fired insulting a user
like this. You asshole are killing this list. I want Lombardi, who
asked me personally to rejoin this list and Americo whom I love and
everybody to know how much I am offended by your lousy attitude.

Go to he'll.

On 4/23/08, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:

> On 23.04.2008, at 06:35, Paul Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Forgot mouses at home.
> >
> > Oh boy. I will see if I can find keyboard equivalents.
> >
> > Had too much fun avoiding falling in black hole while reading blender
> > signs to find equivalents tonight. Also wanted to get regular walk
> > with iTunes university lecture to get sleep and avoid being grumpy.
> >
> > Good for health.
>
>
> Paul, *please* stop this. Get a blog, or something.
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>