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Comma's in <that>
by mehri
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I ran into a particular issue.
Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and some are not. For example, <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> and some are: <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's or other punctuation. Is that true? I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this specifically, unless I missed something again in the specification :-P __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ This is the alicebot-general mailing list Reply to alicebot-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Comma's in <that>
by drwallace
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Hi Mehri,
THAT patterns and TOPIC patterns should be normalized the same way was INPUT patterns. They do not contain any punctuation. Some AIML programs normalize the patterns at read-time. You could either throw an exception when the comma is read, or just normalize the pattern silently. Rich On 1/29/07, mehri <foreverlinux@...> wrote: > I ran into a particular issue. > > Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and > some are not. > > For example, > > <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO > DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> > > and some are: > > <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO > DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> > > I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's > or other punctuation. > > Is that true? > > I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this > specifically, unless I missed something again in the > specification :-P > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > This is the alicebot-general mailing list > Reply to alicebot-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ > This is the alicebot-general mailing list Reply to alicebot-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Comma's in <that>
by Noel Bush
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This is supposed to be covered by the definition of "simple pattern
expressions", though there could well be a hole in that: http://docs.aitools.org/aiml/spec/#section-simple-pattern-expressions mehri wrote: > I ran into a particular issue. > > Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and > some are not. > > For example, > > <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO > DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> > > and some are: > > <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO > DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> > > I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's > or other punctuation. > > Is that true? > > I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this > specifically, unless I missed something again in the > specification :-P > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > This is the alicebot-general mailing list > Reply to alicebot-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ This is the alicebot-general mailing list Reply to alicebot-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Comma's in <that>
by R. Vince
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Though not part of the AIML spec (and I am mentioneing this solely for the
sake of some future coder faced with this problem, and how I resolved it), I tag the tokens with Part of Speech Tags as a pre-stage as part of the Normalizing process, before Normalizing. If the POS's on either side of the comma are the same (e.g. Jack/NP ,/CC Jill/NP) I convert the comma into the coordingating conjunction 'and' (thus producing Jack/NP and/CC Jill/NP). On the other hand, if the POS's on either side of the comma are NOT the same, I remove the comma (e.g. "In/CD the/DT end/NN ,/CC no/DT one/NN cares/VBZ" thus becomes ("in/CD the/DT end/NN no/DT one/NN cares/VBZ"). Essentially, if you wanted, a semicolon could be treated the same way. But again, this is off-spec. I simply have incorporated it because I am working on parsing text via AIML as a front end to a larger system. -Ralph Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: "mehri" <foreverlinux@...> To: <alicebot-general@...> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:20 PM Subject: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >I ran into a particular issue. > > Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and > some are not. > > For example, > > <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO > DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> > > and some are: > > <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO > DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> > > I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's > or other punctuation. > > Is that true? > > I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this > specifically, unless I missed something again in the > specification :-P > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > This is the alicebot-general mailing list > Reply to alicebot-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at > http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ _______________________________________________ This is the alicebot-general mailing list Reply to alicebot-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Comma's in <that>
by Noel Bush
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Now if it were only possible to accurately identify (or even define, in
some cases) "parts of speech"..... :-) R. Vince wrote: > Though not part of the AIML spec (and I am mentioneing this solely for the > sake of some future coder faced with this problem, and how I resolved it), I > tag the tokens with Part of Speech Tags as a pre-stage as part of the > Normalizing process, before Normalizing. If the POS's on either side of the > comma are the same (e.g. Jack/NP ,/CC Jill/NP) I convert the comma into the > coordingating conjunction 'and' (thus producing Jack/NP and/CC Jill/NP). > > On the other hand, if the POS's on either side of the comma are NOT the > same, I remove the comma (e.g. "In/CD the/DT end/NN ,/CC no/DT one/NN > cares/VBZ" thus becomes ("in/CD the/DT end/NN no/DT one/NN cares/VBZ"). > > Essentially, if you wanted, a semicolon could be treated the same way. But > again, this is off-spec. I simply have incorporated it because I am working > on parsing text via AIML as a front end to a larger system. > > -Ralph Vince > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mehri" <foreverlinux@...> > To: <alicebot-general@...> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:20 PM > Subject: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> > > >> I ran into a particular issue. >> >> Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and >> some are not. >> >> For example, >> >> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO >> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >> >> and some are: >> >> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO >> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >> >> I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's >> or other punctuation. >> >> Is that true? >> >> I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this >> specifically, unless I missed something again in the >> specification :-P >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >> Reply to alicebot-general@... >> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > This is the alicebot-general mailing list > Reply to alicebot-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ This is the alicebot-general mailing list Reply to alicebot-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Comma's in <that>
by R. Vince
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Yes! There are POS taggers, but, it is the resolution of ambiguity via
context after the initial tagging, to correctly tag, that is the challenge, and has consumed uncountable hours of my time! -Ralph Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Bush" <noel@...> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" <alicebot-general@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> > Now if it were only possible to accurately identify (or even define, in > some cases) "parts of speech"..... :-) > > R. Vince wrote: >> Though not part of the AIML spec (and I am mentioneing this solely for >> the >> sake of some future coder faced with this problem, and how I resolved >> it), I >> tag the tokens with Part of Speech Tags as a pre-stage as part of the >> Normalizing process, before Normalizing. If the POS's on either side of >> the >> comma are the same (e.g. Jack/NP ,/CC Jill/NP) I convert the comma into >> the >> coordingating conjunction 'and' (thus producing Jack/NP and/CC Jill/NP). >> >> On the other hand, if the POS's on either side of the comma are NOT the >> same, I remove the comma (e.g. "In/CD the/DT end/NN ,/CC no/DT one/NN >> cares/VBZ" thus becomes ("in/CD the/DT end/NN no/DT one/NN cares/VBZ"). >> >> Essentially, if you wanted, a semicolon could be treated the same way. >> But >> again, this is off-spec. I simply have incorporated it because I am >> working >> on parsing text via AIML as a front end to a larger system. >> >> -Ralph Vince >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mehri" <foreverlinux@...> >> To: <alicebot-general@...> >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:20 PM >> Subject: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >> >> >>> I ran into a particular issue. >>> >>> Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and >>> some are not. >>> >>> For example, >>> >>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO >>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>> >>> and some are: >>> >>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO >>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>> >>> I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's >>> or other punctuation. >>> >>> Is that true? >>> >>> I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this >>> specifically, unless I missed something again in the >>> specification :-P >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >>> Reply to alicebot-general@... >>> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >>> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >>> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >>> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >> Reply to alicebot-general@... >> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ > _______________________________________________ > This is the alicebot-general mailing list > Reply to alicebot-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at > http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ _______________________________________________ This is the alicebot-general mailing list Reply to alicebot-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Comma's in <that>
by Noel Bush
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And I think that a linguist would tell you that it has consumed
uncountable person-decades of many people's time. ;-) R. Vince wrote: > Yes! There are POS taggers, but, it is the resolution of ambiguity via > context after the initial tagging, to correctly tag, that is the challenge, > and has consumed uncountable hours of my time! -Ralph Vince > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Noel Bush" <noel@...> > To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" > <alicebot-general@...> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:19 AM > Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> > > >> Now if it were only possible to accurately identify (or even define, in >> some cases) "parts of speech"..... :-) >> >> R. Vince wrote: >>> Though not part of the AIML spec (and I am mentioneing this solely for >>> the >>> sake of some future coder faced with this problem, and how I resolved >>> it), I >>> tag the tokens with Part of Speech Tags as a pre-stage as part of the >>> Normalizing process, before Normalizing. If the POS's on either side of >>> the >>> comma are the same (e.g. Jack/NP ,/CC Jill/NP) I convert the comma into >>> the >>> coordingating conjunction 'and' (thus producing Jack/NP and/CC Jill/NP). >>> >>> On the other hand, if the POS's on either side of the comma are NOT the >>> same, I remove the comma (e.g. "In/CD the/DT end/NN ,/CC no/DT one/NN >>> cares/VBZ" thus becomes ("in/CD the/DT end/NN no/DT one/NN cares/VBZ"). >>> >>> Essentially, if you wanted, a semicolon could be treated the same way. >>> But >>> again, this is off-spec. I simply have incorporated it because I am >>> working >>> on parsing text via AIML as a front end to a larger system. >>> >>> -Ralph Vince >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "mehri" <foreverlinux@...> >>> To: <alicebot-general@...> >>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:20 PM >>> Subject: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >>> >>> >>>> I ran into a particular issue. >>>> >>>> Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and >>>> some are not. >>>> >>>> For example, >>>> >>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO >>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>>> >>>> and some are: >>>> >>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO >>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>>> >>>> I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's >>>> or other punctuation. >>>> >>>> Is that true? >>>> >>>> I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this >>>> specifically, unless I missed something again in the >>>> specification :-P >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >>>> Reply to alicebot-general@... >>>> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >>>> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >>>> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >>>> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >>> Reply to alicebot-general@... >>> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >>> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >>> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >>> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >> Reply to alicebot-general@... >> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > This is the alicebot-general mailing list > Reply to alicebot-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ This is the alicebot-general mailing list Reply to alicebot-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Comma's in <that>
by R. Vince
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Absolutely, but, the clarification (ambiguity reduction) seems to be at
about the square root of the effort, which is fortunate. That is, if I do 4 units of work, I reduve 2 units of ambiguity. If 16 units of work,. w units of ambiguity. In other words, since I know we'll never get 100% absence of ambiguity (in fact, human beings themselves dont get this), if we can get a good chunk of ambiguity resolved, it's worhtwhile I find. But you;re right, it's monstrous to do even that! -Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Bush" <noel@...> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" <alicebot-general@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> > And I think that a linguist would tell you that it has consumed > uncountable person-decades of many people's time. ;-) > > R. Vince wrote: >> Yes! There are POS taggers, but, it is the resolution of ambiguity via >> context after the initial tagging, to correctly tag, that is the >> challenge, >> and has consumed uncountable hours of my time! -Ralph Vince >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Noel Bush" <noel@...> >> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" >> <alicebot-general@...> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >> >> >>> Now if it were only possible to accurately identify (or even define, in >>> some cases) "parts of speech"..... :-) >>> >>> R. Vince wrote: >>>> Though not part of the AIML spec (and I am mentioneing this solely for >>>> the >>>> sake of some future coder faced with this problem, and how I resolved >>>> it), I >>>> tag the tokens with Part of Speech Tags as a pre-stage as part of the >>>> Normalizing process, before Normalizing. If the POS's on either side of >>>> the >>>> comma are the same (e.g. Jack/NP ,/CC Jill/NP) I convert the comma into >>>> the >>>> coordingating conjunction 'and' (thus producing Jack/NP and/CC >>>> Jill/NP). >>>> >>>> On the other hand, if the POS's on either side of the comma are NOT the >>>> same, I remove the comma (e.g. "In/CD the/DT end/NN ,/CC no/DT one/NN >>>> cares/VBZ" thus becomes ("in/CD the/DT end/NN no/DT one/NN cares/VBZ"). >>>> >>>> Essentially, if you wanted, a semicolon could be treated the same way. >>>> But >>>> again, this is off-spec. I simply have incorporated it because I am >>>> working >>>> on parsing text via AIML as a front end to a larger system. >>>> >>>> -Ralph Vince >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "mehri" <foreverlinux@...> >>>> To: <alicebot-general@...> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:20 PM >>>> Subject: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I ran into a particular issue. >>>>> >>>>> Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and >>>>> some are not. >>>>> >>>>> For example, >>>>> >>>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO >>>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>>>> >>>>> and some are: >>>>> >>>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO >>>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>>>> >>>>> I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's >>>>> or other punctuation. >>>>> >>>>> Is that true? >>>>> >>>>> I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this >>>>> specifically, unless I missed something again in the >>>>> specification :-P >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >>>>> Reply to alicebot-general@... >>>>> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >>>>> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >>>>> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >>>>> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >>>> Reply to alicebot-general@... >>>> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >>>> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >>>> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >>>> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >>> Reply to alicebot-general@... >>> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >>> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >>> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >>> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This is the alicebot-general mailing list >> Reply to alicebot-general@... >> Unsubscribe and change preferences at >> http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general >> Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html >> Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ > _______________________________________________ > This is the alicebot-general mailing list > Reply to alicebot-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at > http://list.alicebot.org/mailman/listinfo/alicebot-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ _______________________________________________ This is the alicebot-general mailing list Reply to alicebot-general@... 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Re: Comma's in <that>
by Noel Bush
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It would be interesting to hear more about how useful you find AIML in
the way you're using it. It does seem to have this "general purpose" capability, albeit with some gaps, but I don't know whether anyone has really kept up an effort to implement something like you're describing using AIML. And it would be interesting to see AIML evaluated against other tools for the same kind of front-end purposes. R. Vince wrote: > Absolutely, but, the clarification (ambiguity reduction) seems to be at > about the square root of the effort, which is fortunate. That is, if I do 4 > units of work, I reduve 2 units of ambiguity. If 16 units of work,. w units > of ambiguity. In other words, since I know we'll never get 100% absence of > ambiguity (in fact, human beings themselves dont get this), if we can get a > good chunk of ambiguity resolved, it's worhtwhile I find. > > But you;re right, it's monstrous to do even that! -Ralph > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Noel Bush" <noel@...> > To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" > <alicebot-general@...> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> > > >> And I think that a linguist would tell you that it has consumed >> uncountable person-decades of many people's time. ;-) >> >> R. Vince wrote: >>> Yes! There are POS taggers, but, it is the resolution of ambiguity via >>> context after the initial tagging, to correctly tag, that is the >>> challenge, >>> and has consumed uncountable hours of my time! -Ralph Vince >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Noel Bush" <noel@...> >>> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" >>> <alicebot-general@...> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:19 AM >>> Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >>> >>> >>>> Now if it were only possible to accurately identify (or even define, in >>>> some cases) "parts of speech"..... :-) >>>> >>>> R. Vince wrote: >>>>> Though not part of the AIML spec (and I am mentioneing this solely for >>>>> the >>>>> sake of some future coder faced with this problem, and how I resolved >>>>> it), I >>>>> tag the tokens with Part of Speech Tags as a pre-stage as part of the >>>>> Normalizing process, before Normalizing. If the POS's on either side of >>>>> the >>>>> comma are the same (e.g. Jack/NP ,/CC Jill/NP) I convert the comma into >>>>> the >>>>> coordingating conjunction 'and' (thus producing Jack/NP and/CC >>>>> Jill/NP). >>>>> >>>>> On the other hand, if the POS's on either side of the comma are NOT the >>>>> same, I remove the comma (e.g. "In/CD the/DT end/NN ,/CC no/DT one/NN >>>>> cares/VBZ" thus becomes ("in/CD the/DT end/NN no/DT one/NN cares/VBZ"). >>>>> >>>>> Essentially, if you wanted, a semicolon could be treated the same way. >>>>> But >>>>> again, this is off-spec. I simply have incorporated it because I am >>>>> working >>>>> on parsing text via AIML as a front end to a larger system. >>>>> >>>>> -Ralph Vince >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "mehri" <foreverlinux@...> >>>>> To: <alicebot-general@...> >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:20 PM >>>>> Subject: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I ran into a particular issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and >>>>>> some are not. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, >>>>>> >>>>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO >>>>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>>>>> >>>>>> and some are: >>>>>> >>>>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO >>>>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>>>>> >>>>>> I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's >>>>>> or other punctuation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that true? >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this >>>>>> specifically, unless I missed something again in the >>>>>> specification :-P >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>>>> Tired of spam? 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Re: Comma's in <that>
by R. Vince
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Hi Noel,
I am using AIML essentially as a front end, to an NLP system. This simplifies things greatly, as I can take, say, categories like "Well *" and just pass them along as "*". But, ultimately, I am not using AIML to return the result to the user, just to clean up input. Aside from that, I am trying to implement a full-blown NLP system with seemingly good success thus far. However, I have been at this a few years, and, to-date, can only answer queries that are of the assertion type, e.g. yes/no, true/false. etc. The Wh-type I have not even gotten to. It is very difficult however, frought with hundreds of language complexities which I have been seeking to overcome (pronoun resolution, multiple-names for the same individual, etc. etc.). I DO find Aiml, however, to be superb as a front-end filter for this type of system. -Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Bush" <noel@...> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" <alicebot-general@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> > It would be interesting to hear more about how useful you find AIML in > the way you're using it. It does seem to have this "general purpose" > capability, albeit with some gaps, but I don't know whether anyone has > really kept up an effort to implement something like you're describing > using AIML. And it would be interesting to see AIML evaluated against > other tools for the same kind of front-end purposes. > > R. Vince wrote: >> Absolutely, but, the clarification (ambiguity reduction) seems to be at >> about the square root of the effort, which is fortunate. That is, if I do >> 4 >> units of work, I reduve 2 units of ambiguity. If 16 units of work,. w >> units >> of ambiguity. In other words, since I know we'll never get 100% absence >> of >> ambiguity (in fact, human beings themselves dont get this), if we can get >> a >> good chunk of ambiguity resolved, it's worhtwhile I find. >> >> But you;re right, it's monstrous to do even that! -Ralph >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Noel Bush" <noel@...> >> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" >> <alicebot-general@...> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >> >> >>> And I think that a linguist would tell you that it has consumed >>> uncountable person-decades of many people's time. ;-) >>> >>> R. Vince wrote: >>>> Yes! There are POS taggers, but, it is the resolution of ambiguity via >>>> context after the initial tagging, to correctly tag, that is the >>>> challenge, >>>> and has consumed uncountable hours of my time! -Ralph Vince >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Noel Bush" <noel@...> >>>> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" >>>> <alicebot-general@...> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:19 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Now if it were only possible to accurately identify (or even define, >>>>> in >>>>> some cases) "parts of speech"..... :-) >>>>> >>>>> R. Vince wrote: >>>>>> Though not part of the AIML spec (and I am mentioneing this solely >>>>>> for >>>>>> the >>>>>> sake of some future coder faced with this problem, and how I resolved >>>>>> it), I >>>>>> tag the tokens with Part of Speech Tags as a pre-stage as part of the >>>>>> Normalizing process, before Normalizing. If the POS's on either side >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> comma are the same (e.g. Jack/NP ,/CC Jill/NP) I convert the comma >>>>>> into >>>>>> the >>>>>> coordingating conjunction 'and' (thus producing Jack/NP and/CC >>>>>> Jill/NP). >>>>>> >>>>>> On the other hand, if the POS's on either side of the comma are NOT >>>>>> the >>>>>> same, I remove the comma (e.g. "In/CD the/DT end/NN ,/CC no/DT one/NN >>>>>> cares/VBZ" thus becomes ("in/CD the/DT end/NN no/DT one/NN >>>>>> cares/VBZ"). >>>>>> >>>>>> Essentially, if you wanted, a semicolon could be treated the same >>>>>> way. >>>>>> But >>>>>> again, this is off-spec. I simply have incorporated it because I am >>>>>> working >>>>>> on parsing text via AIML as a front end to a larger system. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Ralph Vince >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "mehri" <foreverlinux@...> >>>>>> To: <alicebot-general@...> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:20 PM >>>>>> Subject: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I ran into a particular issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and >>>>>>> some are not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO >>>>>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and some are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO >>>>>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's >>>>>>> or other punctuation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is that true? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this >>>>>>> specifically, unless I missed something again in the >>>>>>> specification :-P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>>>>> Tired of spam? 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