College Courses for Info Sec or Certificates or Both?

[fhlipZero]

Hello list
I am just about to start my first two years of classes at a community college with Criminal Justice/Info Security being my major for an associates degree then I'll be transferring out to a four year. I am confused about a few things. I plan on getting a few certs under my belt during this first year, hopefully CISSP or Security+, Network+, A+(is this even looked at anymore) and whatever else I can find a test for. Now if I would get some of these, would it be a waste of time and money to get my four year or would these and experience in the field be sufficient. As far as I can tell from the posts I followed on the job opportunities list, a BS degree or equivalent experience is required and certs are a resume builder but not required. So lists opinion, should I stick with the four year or get my associates, certs, and jump into the field?
Thanks, Phil

[Krzyston, Randy]

Think you need some experience before you can get CISSP

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Subject: College Courses for Info Sec or Certificates or Both?

Hello list

I am just about to start my first two years of classes at a community
college with Criminal Justice/Info Security being my major for an
associates degree then I'll be transferring out to a four year. I am
confused about a few things. I plan on getting a few certs under my belt
during this first year, hopefully CISSP or Security+, Network+, A+(is
this even looked at anymore) and whatever else I can find a test for.
Now if I would get some of these, would it be a waste of time and money
to get my four year or would these and experience in the field be
sufficient. As far as I can tell from the posts I followed on the job
opportunities list, a BS degree or equivalent experience is required and
certs are a resume builder but not required. So lists opinion, should I
stick with the four year or get my associates, certs, and jump into the
field?

Thanks, Phil

[Nelson, James]

Phil,

It all depends on your career goals. Do you want to be a technician and manage technology or do you want to manage technology and people? Do you want to manage an IPS or do you want to choose which IPS your company will use? Do you want to write policy and procedure, develop Business Continuity Plans, and be in charge of developing a budget? The more you want to deal with people or money, the higher level degree you will need in today's IT world. Some people love technology and want to focus on that. Others want to focus on being managers, but still be involved with technology. After the tech oriented certs, there are the management certs from basic management (CISSP), mid-level (CISM), to high-level (SABSA - CSA). The hot cert today is Certified (Chartered in the UK) Security Architect from SABSA. Most new CISSP, CISM, CSA - SABSA candidates today already have a 4-year degree.

Best of Luck!

Jim

James A. Nelson, Ph.D.
New Mexico State University

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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:58 AM
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Subject: College Courses for Info Sec or Certificates or Both?

Hello list
I am just about to start my first two years of classes at a community college with Criminal Justice/Info Security being my major for an associates degree then I'll be transferring out to a four year. I am confused about a few things. I plan on getting a few certs under my belt during this first year, hopefully CISSP or Security+, Network+, A+(is this even looked at anymore) and whatever else I can find a test for. Now if I would get some of these, would it be a waste of time and money to get my four year or would these and experience in the field be sufficient. As far as I can tell from the posts I followed on the job opportunities list, a BS degree or equivalent experience is required and certs are a resume builder but not required. So lists opinion, should I stick with the four year or get my associates, certs, and jump into the field?
Thanks, Phil

[Chuck Taylor-2]

Phil,

I think you should definitely go for your 4 year degree.  The 4 year
degree is starting to become the minimum standard.  I am not saying that
you cannot be successful without it, just saying that it is definitely
something employers look for.  Not to mention that getting a 4 year
degree helps you grow as an individual since you will experience many
things over your years of earning a degree.

As far as certifications..they definitely help.  Alot of employers love
to see a CISSP cert on the resume, so that would not hurt.  There is no
reason why you cannot pursue your 4 year degree, get certifications, and
work in the field at the same time.

Good luck!!!

d3nw0

On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 07:58 +0000, fhlipZero@... wrote:
> Hello list
> I am just about to start my first two years of classes at a community college with Criminal Justice/Info Security being my major for an associates degree then I'll be transferring out to a four year. I am confused about a few things. I plan on getting a few certs under my belt during this first year, hopefully CISSP or Security+, Network+, A+(is this even looked at anymore) and whatever else I can find a test for. Now if I would get some of these, would it be a waste of time and money to get my four year or would these and experience in the field be sufficient. As far as I can tell from the posts I followed on the job opportunities list, a BS degree or equivalent experience is required and certs are a resume builder but not required. So lists opinion, should I stick with the four year or get my associates, certs, and jump into the field?
> Thanks, Phil

[Brandon Louder]

That is correct. 5 years experience in 1 of the 10 domains or 4 years
and the Security+.

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: College Courses for Info Sec or Certificates or Both?

Think you need some experience before you can get CISSP

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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:58 AM
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Subject: College Courses for Info Sec or Certificates or Both?

Hello list

I am just about to start my first two years of classes at a community
college with Criminal Justice/Info Security being my major for an
associates degree then I'll be transferring out to a four year. I am
confused about a few things. I plan on getting a few certs under my belt
during this first year, hopefully CISSP or Security+, Network+, A+(is
this even looked at anymore) and whatever else I can find a test for.
Now if I would get some of these, would it be a waste of time and money
to get my four year or would these and experience in the field be
sufficient. As far as I can tell from the posts I followed on the job
opportunities list, a BS degree or equivalent experience is required and
certs are a resume builder but not required. So lists opinion, should I
stick with the four year or get my associates, certs, and jump into the
field?

Thanks, Phil


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[William Mohney]

Here is the bottom line information related to experience for the
various certs from ISC2

https://www.isc2.org/cgi-bin/content.cgi?category=1187


Bill  


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Subject: RE: College Courses for Info Sec or Certificates or Both?

Think you need some experience before you can get CISSP

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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:58 AM
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Subject: College Courses for Info Sec or Certificates or Both?

Hello list

I am just about to start my first two years of classes at a community
college with Criminal Justice/Info Security being my major for an
associates degree then I'll be transferring out to a four year. I am
confused about a few things. I plan on getting a few certs under my belt
during this first year, hopefully CISSP or Security+, Network+, A+(is
this even looked at anymore) and whatever else I can find a test for.
Now if I would get some of these, would it be a waste of time and money
to get my four year or would these and experience in the field be
sufficient. As far as I can tell from the posts I followed on the job
opportunities list, a BS degree or equivalent experience is required and
certs are a resume builder but not required. So lists opinion, should I
stick with the four year or get my associates, certs, and jump into the
field?

Thanks, Phil

[Kobly Consulting Inc.]

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Not quite...  Certification requirements have changed a bit in the last year...  Check out https://www.isc2.org/cgi-bin/content.cgi?category=1187.  The requirement for the endorser also changed to require an (ISC)^2 member (any of their certs) to endorse your application.  (You used to be able to use a manager if you didn't know any CISSP's)

PK

Brandon Louder wrote:

That is correct. 5 years experience in 1 of the 10 domains or 4 years
and the Security+. 

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Think you need some experience before you can get CISSP

  

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