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Ultimate Enterprise Content Management (ECM) Workshops in India

2008-08-05T23:02:17Z

Enterprise Content Management (ECM) is no longer just about technology, or just about content. It is about content, community, and context. The deluge of data and information, coupled with the ever-increasing need for compliance is forcing enterprises to take a strategic look at ECM and its associated disciplines. To stack up to competition, enterprises are looking up to faster, flexible, and efficient business processes that can channelise copious, unstructured information into meaningfully optimised, governed, and digitally delivered data that is available to the right stakeholders at the right time.

C-level executives, senior IT process management personnel, marketing and content managers are looking to find the precise solution that will fit the needs of their organization. What are these available solutions, and how do they stack up to the needs of a specific enterprise? What roles do strategic topics such as Governance, Collaboration, Enterprise 2.0 play in the evaluation of these solutions? What is a promising approach, and how do I find the correct partners? The ECM track at Business Technology Summit 2008 offers strategic, technical, and business insights into all aspects of ECM, including Business Process Management (BPM), Business Rules Management (BRM), Master Data Management (MDM), Data Warehousing & Knowledge Management, and Enterprise 2.0. The summit will be held 22-26 September 2008 in Mumbai and Bangalore. Summit website: http://www.btsummit.com

Re: Content migration: options and strategies

2008-07-22T10:55:56Z

Seeing as it's all the old guard chiming in on this post, I thought I'd
join in too...

James, I actually disagree somewhat with your very first point! ("There
is no way to avoid migrating content in a redesign")

Having the luxury of working on mostly time-based sites such as news and
broadcast-related sites, there is a strong argument for not migrating
content at all, and leaving the old (statically published "flat files")
sitting on the disk, in their old "page furniture".

There is a kind of historical value in having URLs like
http://www.bbc.co.uk/election97/frameset.htm still available, and I can
tell you, if our only choices were migrating all of that content to a
new CMS and republishing, or turning it off, then we couldn't have
justified the cost and would have had to flick the switch. Having the
opportunity to just leave the content there meant that we didn't have to
close it off or leave it for the Wayback Machine to handle.

Similarly, as we redesigned the site over time, we mostly left the
designs as they were...

1997: http://www.bbc.co.uk/politics97/diana/
2002: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/review/2159682.stm
2006: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6176769.stm
2008: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7328754.stm

The page design gives users a sense of context that they can use to
recognise that the site has moved on.

Although I guess this is more about a design issue than a content
management one.

So if you want to avoid migration hell, come work on a
statically-published news site! (Having said all that, when we redesign
non-news sites, we still have an awful lot of migration to do...)

It's just like old times, eh?

Brendan :-)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 21 July 2008 18:26
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Subject: [CMS] Content migration: options and strategies

Hi all,

I've just published an article on the options for migrating content when
redesigning a website or intranet:

http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_migration/index.html

Would be interested to hear everyone's thoughts...

Cheers,
James

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Re: Content migration: options and strategies

2008-07-22T08:26:17Z

Hi James et. al.-

This is a very realistic and practical survey of the issues (blogged about it here:
http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1318-Start-flossing-your-content-now).

One recommendation for V2 would be to address the issue of metadata. Redesigns and
new system implementations typically involve new metadata schemes and the
requirement to classify at least some of the backfile. I think many of the same
issues emerge (limited ability to automate, need for domain expertise, value in
advance clean up), but can play themselves out in different ways.

Cheers,

Tony Byrne
Founder, CMS Watch
Content Technology Evaluations
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> > Hi all,
> >
> > http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_migration/index.html
> >
> > Cheers,
> > James
> >
> > --
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> >

Re: Content migration: options and strategies

2008-07-22T06:53:40Z

> Another emerging issue is the upgrade of large SharePoint 2003
> intranets to
> SharePoint 2007. Well worth reading
> http://office.microsoft.com/download/afile.aspx?AssetID=AM102421321033
> and
> then taking a deep breath

...and then run as fast and far away as you can...

;o)

-Darrel

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Re: Content migration: options and strategies

2008-07-22T04:27:53Z

James

A first class contribution and one that I am certainly going to recommend to
clients.

One issue that is starting to emerge is the migration of content from a CMS
into a portal. You refer to it in your introductory paragraph but portals
present some rather complex issues. At the core of this is whether the
content is going to be served up in Java portlets or as HTML pages using an
"iFrames" approach. If Java windows are going to be used then because they
need to be able to be resized on demand and also because of the very limited
functionality of the CMS in most portals, there is a substantial challenge
for the organisation in not just migrating the content but in undertaking a
total review of how the content is going to be structured for delivery.
There are some search engine implications for this as well but that is for
another day.

In theory JSR 170 and JSR 286 will assist in the inter-connection of portal
and CMS products but from my rather limited knowledge of how these will work
in practice they are not going to make a major impact on content migration.

Another emerging issue is the upgrade of large SharePoint 2003 intranets to
SharePoint 2007. Well worth reading
http://office.microsoft.com/download/afile.aspx?AssetID=AM102421321033 and
then taking a deep breath

Regards

Martin

Martin White
Intranet Focus Ltd
http://www.intranetfocus.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 21 July 2008 18:26
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Subject: [CMS] Content migration: options and strategies

Hi all,

I've just published an article on the options for migrating content
when redesigning a website or intranet:

http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_migration/index.html

Would be interested to hear everyone's thoughts...

Cheers,
James

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Re: Content migration: options and strategies

2008-07-21T17:23:32Z

Hi James,

Well -- I'd really wish I had something clever to add, but you've
covered all bases -- any "ah, but..." I had while reading turned out
to be addressed in one of the next paragraphs.

So only one minor thing... in my experience, as you've write as well,
automated or semi-automated migration is rarely an option (you did a
great job explaining why). At the same time, having the regular
content managers, webmasters, editors etcetera do everything by hand
is usually not a viable alternative, either (since you want as short a
freeze as possible, and the core team will often simply be too small
to manage; and if it takes too long, they'll have to do this parallel
to their regular job of maintaining the website, doubling the
workload). And again, you're right in saying that semi-skilled helping
hands most often won't be able to discern what to rewrite, how to
rewrite, where the new content should go, etcetera. (Semi-skilled of
course doesn't mean "uneducated" but rather "they won't know enough
about the subject matter and/or have the expertise as to what makes a
great site, and won't have the time to learn").

So what often happens is that "skilled" editors are brought in. Worst
case, these are junior IT consultants (great at building templates --
terrible at doing the editorial stuff for a website, and expensive, to
boot). Best case, they're professional web editors -- but they still
won't know about your project, your strategy, plans and subject matter
enough to make a big difference (other than just a lot of plain
copy/pasting).

So whereas most people seem to recognize it takes that skill to move
items to the right place in the new site, rewrite some of it, reject
other pages -- they tend to remedy this by getting expensive outside
help, and in doing so, get the worst of both worlds.

The crux of course is that sifting through the existing content,
noting where it should go, and when applicable marking it obsolete or
up for a rewrite, is only a relatively modest amount of time (though
I'm all for paperless offices, you could even just print it all out
and go through it with a marker, which could be pretty quick; you
could also take all the titles, and given a resident web editor will
already more or less know the content, that's enough to sort in a
spreadsheet, mark the target, etc). Getting the original content,
separating text from design and multimedia, uploading that to the new
system, pasting the text, etcetera is the tedious 95% of the work.

So all the regular editors should be involved in the pre-selection.
Then just get a couple of students a comfortable desk job for the
holidays in transferring it to the right place. You'll only need one
person to coordinate what they do if the directions are clear. It'll
save you a lot of money, and more importantly, your regular editors
won't be stressed to the point of breaking during the migration. When
it's done, they can relax and just check if everything is in the right
place.

Cheers,
Adriaan M. Bloem
__
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:26 PM, James Robertson <jamesr@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just published an article on the options for migrating content
> when redesigning a website or intranet:
>
> http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_migration/index.html
>
> Would be interested to hear everyone's thoughts...
>
> Cheers,
> James
>
> --
> -------------------------
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> Step Two Designs
>
> Email: jamesr@...
> Web: www.steptwo.com.au
> Phone: +61 2 9319 7901
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Content migration: options and strategies

2008-07-21T10:26:04Z

Hi all,

I've just published an article on the options for migrating content
when redesigning a website or intranet:

http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_migration/index.html

Would be interested to hear everyone's thoughts...

Cheers,
James

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Webinars on using the DITA-OT, FO plug-in, XSL-FO

2008-06-11T11:50:26Z

Suite Solutions is offering a series of public webinars on using the DITA Open Source Toolkit for beginners and advanced users.
Workshops are given by an experienced consultant who’s slogged through the trenches on real projects. They will be intensive, technical, and useful.
Nuts and Bolts of the DITA Open Source Toolkit (June 26)
- Overview of DITA and the DITA-OT
- DITA-OT Components
- Installing the DITA-OT
- Running the DITA-OT
- Rendering outputs using different transtypes
- Filtering output using DITAVAL
- Using the DITA-OT with Antenna House and RenderX
- Common Errors and Mistakes
Understanding and Configuring the FO Plug-In for Generating PDF – Introductory and Advanced
* Session 1: Introductory Level – Under the Hood (July 8)
- Review of PDF Generation
- Getting Started with XSL, XSL-FO and XPath
- Introduction to the FO Plug-in
- Customizing the FO Plug-in - Intro
* Session 2: Advanced Level – Making it Work for You (July 10)
- Brief Review of FO Plug-in
- Customizing the FO Plug-in - Advanced
- Customization Case Studies
- Customizing for Localization
- Configuration Issues
- Debugging Tips
Understanding and Configuring DITA-OT for Publishing HTML formats (July 15)
- Overview of HTML Formats: Web, HTML Help, JavaHelp, Eclipse Help
- Review of DITA-OT Components
- Overview of Transtypes and Files Generated for Each Format
- Customizing Style Sheets: XSLT and CSS
- Case Studies and Samples
- Overview: Publishing via FrameMaker DITA-FMx, WebWorks, Robohelp
Each webinar will start at 1:00PM Eastern Time and last about 3 hours with a short break in the middle. (If you are in a time zone that is unsuitable to this time slot, let us know.)
You may pick any number or combination of webinars. Visit our site for additional information and to register: http://www.suite-sol.com/pages/services/services_training.html

The Australian CMS marketplace [slides + audio]

2008-05-22T17:58:26Z

Hi all,

I've just uploaded a screencast where I discuss the current state
of the Australian CMS marketplace:

http://www.slideshare.net/jamesr/the-australian-cms-marketplace-audio

This includes talking about average prices and future directions, but
being strictly vendor-neutral no individual products are mentioned.

As ever, very open to further discussions or comments...

Cheers,
James

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Summit Announcement

2008-05-15T18:52:24Z

Hello All,

The 2008 Spring Summit Dynamic Delivery Across Multiple Media Channels

(http://summit.cmprofessionals.org/) will be held at the Westin Market Place Hotel in San Francisco, June 17, 2008 in conjunction with the Gilbane Conference on Beyond Content Management.

If you are challenged with the business drivers and technical issues of managing and delivering dynamic content you won't want to miss the 2008 Spring CM Pros Summit where the focus will be on the growing requirement for content management solutions to dynamically deliver content that includes rich media. Presenters and attendees will share eight interactive sessions, keynote presentation, panel discussions, vendor demonstrations, networking opportunities and a CM Pros Town Hall meeting. The Summit program delivers Business and Technology tracks with sessions by your peers and industry leaders.

Register now at http://summit.cmprofessionals.org/register. On-site registration begins at 8:00 a.m. on June 17, 2008. CM Pros members receive an additional discount to the Summit and $200 off the Gilbane Conference on Content Technologies. If you are not a CM Pros member, or if your membership has lapsed, join or renew now for only $75 and receive both the member discount for the Summit and a free pass to the Gilbane Technology Showcase!

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Kindest Regards,

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Pharma, Medical Device, Hospital Content Challenges --> Documentation and Training Life Sciences

2008-05-05T11:31:47Z

Indianapolis- Medical, science, and marketing writers, and health care
information technologists, will convene in downtown Indianapolis this
June at the Documentation and Training Life Sciences Conference (http://www.doctrain.com/life
) to explore ways to reduce the amount of time and energy it takes to
create the content needed to run pharmaceutical companies, medical
device firms, and health and hospital corporations. Attendees will
explore solutions to health care information management challenges --
everything from speeding the time it takes to get a new drug to market
to designing health care websites that cater to an increasingly
international audience.

Documentation and Training Life Sciences will be held at the Union
Station Crowne Plaza from June 23-26, 2008. The event aims to attract
science, medical and technical writers and editors, web marketing and
PR professionals, regulatory specialists, information architects,
knowledge managers, document engineers, interaction designers and web
content and online community managers. The theme of the event is The
Right Prescription for Life Sciences Content. Thought leaders,
educators, analysts, consultants and practitioners will discuss
content manufacturing processes, best practices, standards, software
tools, and methods designed to help attendees understand how and where
improvements can be made.

Keynote presenter, Joe Gollner, a structured information management
expert, will discuss how life sciences organizations can leverage
"intelligent automation" to ensure information quality.

Featured presenter, Ann Rockley, president of The Rockley Group (http://www.rockley.com
) and author of the best-selling book, "Managing Enterprise Content" (http://www.managingenterprisecontent.com
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model" to help improve quality, speed time-to-market, and reduce
content creation, management and delivery costs.

Jerome Nadel, Chief Experience Officer for Human Factors International
(http://www.humanfactors.com/) will tackle Web 2.0 technologies and
their impact on health care providers.

Content management technology analyst, Alan Pelz-Sharpe of CMSWatch (http://www.cmswatch.com
) will provide an overview of the content technologies market, and
localization and translation guru Maxwell Hoffmann of Welocalize (http://www.welocalize.com
) will help attendees understand how to create content that
communicates with non-English speakers at home and abroad.

Other presentations include: a review of what is required of
organizations to create valid Electronic Common Technical Documents
(eCTD); case studies of companies using a Microsoft Word solution to
create labels that comply with the Structured Product Labeling (SPL)
standard, and a demonstration of advanced scanning and recognition
technologies that can help hospitals and medical facilities make
electronic records from paper-based forms and medical records.

"Indiana is leading cluster for the health and life sciences, said
Kristin Jones, Vice President, Business Development, Indiana Health
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says Scott Abel, conference program manager and publisher of the
popular technology blog, The Content Wrangler (http://www.thecontentwrangler.com
). "Innovation also means admitting that the content we create is a
business asset, worthy of being managed efficiently. Most companies
still don't see the savings potential of creating a repeatable process
for creating, managing and delivering information to those who need
it. They spend their time focusing on improvements made by
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The four purposes of an intranet (+ audio)

2008-05-04T16:19:01Z

Hi all,

I've just released my latest slideshare, on the four
purposes of an intranet (13:18 audio):

http://www.slideshare.net/jamesr/the-four-purposes-of-an-intranet

As you may have noticed, I've been working steadily to capture some of
the key concepts that underpin our intranet work. Some of these have
already been shared as articles, and most in workshops, but this is a
good way of getting these useful concepts out to a wider intranet
audience.

This slidecast explores the four fundamental purposes of an intranet,
looks at where intranets have traditionally focused, and where they
should be going next if they want to demonstrate ROI.

(The audio was recorded at the recent IA Summit in Miami, Florida.)

As ever, comments would be greatly appreciated...

(Apologies for the cross-posting.)

Regards,
James

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16 days until the Intranet Innovation Awards closes

2008-04-30T05:37:40Z

Hi all,

It's now only 16 days until entries for the 2008 Intranet Innovation
Awards closes, on 16 May 2008.

Winners of the inaugural awards demonstrated a wide range of ideas, and
have been very generous in sharing these for the benefit of the wider
community. In return, they gained much-deserved recognition, including
YouTube interviews, writeups in major journals, and inclusion in the
Intranet Innovations 2007 report (not to mention receiving a beautiful
glass trophy!).

This year will be even bigger, with entries covering many individual
improvements to intranets. These may include valuable staff directory
enhancements, powerful search tools, delivery of information to
Blackberries, interactive features on intranets, new ways of meeting
frontline needs, or interesting intranet applications, just to mention a
few ideas.

We also have an international judging panel this year, consisting of
four intranet experts across four continents:

* James Robertson
Step Two Designs (Australia)

* Martin White
Intranet Focus (UK)

* Jane McConnell
NetStrategy/JMC (France)

* Howard McQueen
McQueen Consulting (USA)

Putting in an entry should only take an afternoon, or slightly longer if
you want more time to polish. Full details can be found on the awards
page:

http://www.steptwo.com.au/iia/index.html

A reminder of some useful resources:

What do innovative intranets look like?
http://www.slideshare.net/jamesr/what-do-innovative-intranets-look-like-audio/

How to win an Intranet Innovation Award
http://www.slideshare.net/jamesr/how-to-win-an-intranet-innovation-award/

Intranet Innovations 2007
http://www.steptwo.com.au/products/iia2007/videos/index.html

Good luck!

Cheers,
James

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Articles: in-context editing / LDAP

2008-04-08T14:56:13Z

Hi all,

Two articles published this month which might be of interest
to this list:

* Clean up your LDAP or Active Directory
http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/cmb_ldap/index.html
Before personalisation can be implemented, underlying LDAP or
Active Directory implementations need to be cleaned up.

* In-context vs back-end authoring
http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/cmb_incontext/index.html
There are two common ways of editing content in a CMS, and each has
its strengths and weaknesses.

As ever, feedback and comments welcome...

Cheers,
James

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2008 Intranet Innovation Awards are now open for entries

2008-03-04T11:01:25Z

Hi all,

I'm excited to announce that entries are now open for this year's
Intranet Innovation Awards, with a closing date of 16 May 2008.

http://www.steptwo.com.au/iia/

All intranet teams are encouraged to enter their innovative approaches
to the design or delivery intranets. This may be may be an entirely new
piece of intranet functionality, or a good idea implemented particularly
well.

Uniquely, these awards recognise individual intranet improvements, and
not intranets as a whole. Submissions can be made across four
categories:

* core intranet functionality
* communication and collaboration
* frontline delivery
* business solutions

Winners will be showcased in the Intranet Innovations report, as well as
in articles, YouTube interviews, online presentations, international
conferences and major industry journals.

---

For tips on how to win an award:
http://www.slideshare.net/jamesr/how-to-win-an-intranet-innovation-award/

Full details on the awards, including the entry form:
http://www.steptwo.com.au/iia/

---

This is another opportunity for intranet teams to have their time in the
light, so don't forget the closing date of 16 May 2008.

Regards,
James

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Re: .net options these days?

2008-02-13T11:46:47Z

Darren,

Still you should add Dynamicweb to your shortlist too ;-) Considering Dynamicweb is doing pretty well in Denmark where actually Sitecore, Typo3 and Umbraco also originate from.

Regards

Soeren

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From: cms-bounces@... [mailto:cms-bounces@...] On Behalf Of John M. Morse
Sent: 13. februar 2008 12:48
To: Austin, Darrel; cms@...
Subject: Re: [CMS] .net options these days?

Darrel

Not sure what your budget is nor the size of project your are completing
but I would suggest you need (must?) to look at

Sitecore
Ektron
Immediacy
Umbraco

Have varying degrees of exposure to all of these solutions, Sitecore
being our current tool of choice mainly because of its more of a content
delivery platform rather that a CMS and you should look into its
Sharepoint connector which will help with your legacy systems,l it hsas
a fully open API, which our developers like ;)

Ektron is a very feature rich CMS with excellent tools and also has a
Sharepoint connector, good support, an active developer community, great
web 2.0 social toolset and a published API

Immediacy is a smaller still WCMS also with Sharepoint connector

Umbraco is, well Umbraco, secretly I have a soft spot for this CMS and
are looking for an opportunity to use it in anger

HTH

John Morse
Information Architect
Professional Services Group
UPA, Prince 2, ISEB IT Architect, IAI

Eduserv Internet
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-----Original Message-----
From: cms-bounces@...
[mailto:cms-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Austin, Darrel
Sent: 11 February 2008 14:15
To: cms@...
Subject: [CMS] .net options these days?

James' article post (which is nice, btw!) reminded me that this list is
still alive.

Which is nice timing, is, once again, I'm in the middle of CMS research
hell. ;o)

We've spent 6 months trying to roll out a CMS solution via SharePoint
Server 2007. It failed. More for political reasons than technical, but
either way, it's been scrapped and I'm not looking for options. They
primary 'technical' issues were a) very hard to skin outside of
SharePoint's own preferred templates b) the CMS features are built ON
TOP of sharepoint, so the learning curve is large. c) admin interfaces
to update content are complex and overly tedious. d) we really didn't
need a lot of the features it forces upon you...page templates,
workflow, approvals, etc.

The catch is that we really need a MS-centric solution to make it easy
to sell to the server team. .net preferred.

5 years ago when we went through this process we found the options to be
slim. Products were either way overpriced or just completely inadequate
from a tech-management side (crappy templating systems, bad web
standards support, overly complex permissioning systems). So, we built
our own.

5 years later, one of the options on the table is for us to re-write our
internal application and release a 'v2.0' of it.

I'm all for that, as I really enjoy working on that type of work, but I
simply can't just accept that as the solution without first taking a
look as to what's out there.

So, any suggestions? Some details:

- the CMS solution will need to run our Intranet 'portal' and our
public web presense.
- we're still going to use SharePoint for internal collaboration. As
such, I have a hunch, over time, that the 'intranet' portal will become
more of a directory pointing to a lot of SharePoint collaboration sites.
- for now, though, the intranet is going to need to be a hierarchical
grouping of pages that will have text content, and links to documents.
We need to delegate permissions by regional office, then by department
within each office.

What I've begun to look at:

- DotNetNuke. Pros: Full 'CMS'. Cons: looks a lot like sharepoint.
Might have more features that we really need.
- Graffiti CMS. Pros: VEERY nice interface. Cons: mainly a blogging
engine, and doesn't quite seem to be built for the 'enterprise'.
- FlexWiki: Pros: Wikis are quick and dirty. Cons: well, it's just a
wiki. Probably a hard sell internally.

Any other OS and/or low-cost .net-centric CMS systems on the market
these days that I should take a look at? On my list of things to still
look at are Community Server (same company as Graffiti CMS), and Ubarco
(looks great, but might not yet be an established OS option).

-Darrel

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Re: .net options these days?

2008-02-13T03:47:35Z

Darrel

Not sure what your budget is nor the size of project your are completing
but I would suggest you need (must?) to look at

Sitecore
Ektron
Immediacy
Umbraco

Have varying degrees of exposure to all of these solutions, Sitecore
being our current tool of choice mainly because of its more of a content
delivery platform rather that a CMS and you should look into its
Sharepoint connector which will help with your legacy systems,l it hsas
a fully open API, which our developers like ;)

Ektron is a very feature rich CMS with excellent tools and also has a
Sharepoint connector, good support, an active developer community, great
web 2.0 social toolset and a published API

Immediacy is a smaller still WCMS also with Sharepoint connector

Umbraco is, well Umbraco, secretly I have a soft spot for this CMS and
are looking for an opportunity to use it in anger

HTH

John Morse
Information Architect
Professional Services Group
UPA, Prince 2, ISEB IT Architect, IAI

Eduserv Internet
Managed hosting & development
john.morse@...
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-----Original Message-----
From: cms-bounces@...
[mailto:cms-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Austin, Darrel
Sent: 11 February 2008 14:15
To: cms@...
Subject: [CMS] .net options these days?

James' article post (which is nice, btw!) reminded me that this list is
still alive.

Which is nice timing, is, once again, I'm in the middle of CMS research
hell. ;o)

We've spent 6 months trying to roll out a CMS solution via SharePoint
Server 2007. It failed. More for political reasons than technical, but
either way, it's been scrapped and I'm not looking for options. They
primary 'technical' issues were a) very hard to skin outside of
SharePoint's own preferred templates b) the CMS features are built ON
TOP of sharepoint, so the learning curve is large. c) admin interfaces
to update content are complex and overly tedious. d) we really didn't
need a lot of the features it forces upon you...page templates,
workflow, approvals, etc.

The catch is that we really need a MS-centric solution to make it easy
to sell to the server team. .net preferred.

5 years ago when we went through this process we found the options to be
slim. Products were either way overpriced or just completely inadequate
from a tech-management side (crappy templating systems, bad web
standards support, overly complex permissioning systems). So, we built
our own.

5 years later, one of the options on the table is for us to re-write our
internal application and release a 'v2.0' of it.

I'm all for that, as I really enjoy working on that type of work, but I
simply can't just accept that as the solution without first taking a
look as to what's out there.

So, any suggestions? Some details:

- the CMS solution will need to run our Intranet 'portal' and our
public web presense.
- we're still going to use SharePoint for internal collaboration. As
such, I have a hunch, over time, that the 'intranet' portal will become
more of a directory pointing to a lot of SharePoint collaboration sites.
- for now, though, the intranet is going to need to be a hierarchical
grouping of pages that will have text content, and links to documents.
We need to delegate permissions by regional office, then by department
within each office.

What I've begun to look at:

- DotNetNuke. Pros: Full 'CMS'. Cons: looks a lot like sharepoint.
Might have more features that we really need.
- Graffiti CMS. Pros: VEERY nice interface. Cons: mainly a blogging
engine, and doesn't quite seem to be built for the 'enterprise'.
- FlexWiki: Pros: Wikis are quick and dirty. Cons: well, it's just a
wiki. Probably a hard sell internally.

Any other OS and/or low-cost .net-centric CMS systems on the market
these days that I should take a look at? On my list of things to still
look at are Community Server (same company as Graffiti CMS), and Ubarco
(looks great, but might not yet be an established OS option).

-Darrel

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Re: .net options these days?

2008-02-12T13:04:46Z

Have you looked at the open source Community Server? I haven't used it
before (as prefer Python over .Net) but it seems pretty featureful.

Nate

Austin, Darrel wrote:

> James' article post (which is nice, btw!) reminded me that this list is
> still alive.
>
> Which is nice timing, is, once again, I'm in the middle of CMS research
> hell. ;o)
>
> We've spent 6 months trying to roll out a CMS solution via SharePoint
> Server 2007. It failed. More for political reasons than technical, but
> either way, it's been scrapped and I'm not looking for options. They
> primary 'technical' issues were a) very hard to skin outside of
> SharePoint's own preferred templates b) the CMS features are built ON
> TOP of sharepoint, so the learning curve is large. c) admin interfaces
> to update content are complex and overly tedious. d) we really didn't
> need a lot of the features it forces upon you...page templates,
> workflow, approvals, etc.
>
> The catch is that we really need a MS-centric solution to make it easy
> to sell to the server team. .net preferred.
>
> 5 years ago when we went through this process we found the options to be
> slim. Products were either way overpriced or just completely inadequate
> from a tech-management side (crappy templating systems, bad web
> standards support, overly complex permissioning systems). So, we built
> our own.
>
> 5 years later, one of the options on the table is for us to re-write our
> internal application and release a 'v2.0' of it.
>
> I'm all for that, as I really enjoy working on that type of work, but I
> simply can't just accept that as the solution without first taking a
> look as to what's out there.
>
> So, any suggestions? Some details:
>
> - the CMS solution will need to run our Intranet 'portal' and our
> public web presense.
> - we're still going to use SharePoint for internal collaboration. As
> such, I have a hunch, over time, that the 'intranet' portal will become
> more of a directory pointing to a lot of SharePoint collaboration sites.
> - for now, though, the intranet is going to need to be a hierarchical
> grouping of pages that will have text content, and links to documents.
> We need to delegate permissions by regional office, then by department
> within each office.
>
> What I've begun to look at:
>
> - DotNetNuke. Pros: Full 'CMS'. Cons: looks a lot like sharepoint.
> Might have more features that we really need.
> - Graffiti CMS. Pros: VEERY nice interface. Cons: mainly a blogging
> engine, and doesn't quite seem to be built for the 'enterprise'.
> - FlexWiki: Pros: Wikis are quick and dirty. Cons: well, it's just a
> wiki. Probably a hard sell internally.
>
> Any other OS and/or low-cost .net-centric CMS systems on the market
> these days that I should take a look at? On my list of things to still
> look at are Community Server (same company as Graffiti CMS), and Ubarco
> (looks great, but might not yet be an established OS option).
>
> -Darrel
>
>
>
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Re: .net options these days?

2008-02-12T00:05:24Z

Hi Darrel

I work for Dynamicweb-cms.com. With the risk of being accused of spamming I just want to present you with a viable proprietary solution. Darrel, Feel free to flame me later on the list if you don't think this was relevant to your scenario.

Essentially I think our product is what you are looking for.

1) It is based on .Net

2) It is very straight forward in terms of how you manage content. Yes compared to larger systems it has flexibility limits but it sounds like you will not need that type of flexibility anyway. * referring to the problems you have had with Sharepoint and other solutions.

3) It is well established with 3000 customers on maintenance contracts.

4) As an intranet it will not handle collaboration well but excels in publishing content quickly and yet has reasonable user access management features.

5) You can build custom modules and use .Net controls.

6) Can be setup on Microsoft IIS and run either SQL or Access. It can be installed in less than 30 minutes by a junior system administrator.

7) Comes with a relatively low price tag since it originates from Denmark which is country of primarily small and medium sized companies not willing to pay the kind of price companies like Vignette, Reddot, Microsoft etc. are accustomed to.

Let me know if it could of interest and we will give you a free demo you can play around with.

Regards

Soeren Laursen

-----Original Message-----
From: cms-bounces@... [mailto:cms-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ed Kapuscinski
Sent: 11. februar 2008 15:50
To: Austin, Darrel
Cc: cms@...
Subject: Re: [CMS] .net options these days?

Darrel
Have you heard about Umbraco? It's .NET and OS, a strange combo, but
it might be what you want.
http://umbraco.org/

I've never used it, but I'm thinking about checking it out shortly.
One of my coworkers really likes it though. It might be worth a look.

Ed

On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:15 AM, Austin, Darrel wrote:

> James' article post (which is nice, btw!) reminded me that this list
> is
> still alive.
>
> Which is nice timing, is, once again, I'm in the middle of CMS
> research
> hell. ;o)
>
> We've spent 6 months trying to roll out a CMS solution via SharePoint
> Server 2007. It failed. More for political reasons than technical, but
> either way, it's been scrapped and I'm not looking for options. They
> primary 'technical' issues were a) very hard to skin outside of
> SharePoint's own preferred templates b) the CMS features are built ON
> TOP of sharepoint, so the learning curve is large. c) admin interfaces
> to update content are complex and overly tedious. d) we really didn't
> need a lot of the features it forces upon you...page templates,
> workflow, approvals, etc.
>
> The catch is that we really need a MS-centric solution to make it easy
> to sell to the server team. .net preferred.
>
> 5 years ago when we went through this process we found the options
> to be
> slim. Products were either way overpriced or just completely
> inadequate
> from a tech-management side (crappy templating systems, bad web
> standards support, overly complex permissioning systems). So, we built
> our own.
>
> 5 years later, one of the options on the table is for us to re-write
> our
> internal application and release a 'v2.0' of it.
>
> I'm all for that, as I really enjoy working on that type of work,
> but I
> simply can't just accept that as the solution without first taking a
> look as to what's out there.
>
> So, any suggestions? Some details:
>
> - the CMS solution will need to run our Intranet 'portal' and our
> public web presense.
> - we're still going to use SharePoint for internal collaboration. As
> such, I have a hunch, over time, that the 'intranet' portal will
> become
> more of a directory pointing to a lot of SharePoint collaboration
> sites.
> - for now, though, the intranet is going to need to be a hierarchical
> grouping of pages that will have text content, and links to documents.
> We need to delegate permissions by regional office, then by department
> within each office.
>
> What I've begun to look at:
>
> - DotNetNuke. Pros: Full 'CMS'. Cons: looks a lot like sharepoint.
> Might have more features that we really need.
> - Graffiti CMS. Pros: VEERY nice interface. Cons: mainly a blogging
> engine, and doesn't quite seem to be built for the 'enterprise'.
> - FlexWiki: Pros: Wikis are quick and dirty. Cons: well, it's just a
> wiki. Probably a hard sell internally.
>
> Any other OS and/or low-cost .net-centric CMS systems on the market
> these days that I should take a look at? On my list of things to still
> look at are Community Server (same company as Graffiti CMS), and
> Ubarco
> (looks great, but might not yet be an established OS option).
>
> -Darrel
>
>
>
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Re: .net options these days?

2008-02-11T22:19:27Z

you can look at ConQuest CMS
(http://www.conquestcms.com)

It is written in ASP.NET and the base cost of the
product is just USD 4500/- Customizations will cost
equally cheap, as the developers are sitting in India.

--- "Austin, Darrel"
<Darrel.Austin@...> wrote:

> James' article post (which is nice, btw!) reminded
> me that this list is
> still alive.
>
> Which is nice timing, is, once again, I'm in the
> middle of CMS research
> hell. ;o)
>
> We've spent 6 months trying to roll out a CMS
> solution via SharePoint
> Server 2007. It failed. More for political reasons
> than technical, but
> either way, it's been scrapped and I'm not looking
> for options. They
> primary 'technical' issues were a) very hard to skin
> outside of
> SharePoint's own preferred templates b) the CMS
> features are built ON
> TOP of sharepoint, so the learning curve is large.
> c) admin interfaces
> to update content are complex and overly tedious. d)
> we really didn't
> need a lot of the features it forces upon you...page
> templates,
> workflow, approvals, etc.
>
> The catch is that we really need a MS-centric
> solution to make it easy
> to sell to the server team. .net preferred.
>
> 5 years ago when we went through this process we
> found the options to be
> slim. Products were either way overpriced or just
> completely inadequate
> from a tech-management side (crappy templating
> systems, bad web
> standards support, overly complex permissioning
> systems). So, we built
> our own.
>
> 5 years later, one of the options on the table is
> for us to re-write our
> internal application and release a 'v2.0' of it.
>
> I'm all for that, as I really enjoy working on that
> type of work, but I
> simply can't just accept that as the solution
> without first taking a
> look as to what's out there.
>
> So, any suggestions? Some details:
>
> - the CMS solution will need to run our Intranet
> 'portal' and our
> public web presense.
> - we're still going to use SharePoint for internal
> collaboration. As
> such, I have a hunch, over time, that the 'intranet'
> portal will become
> more of a directory pointing to a lot of SharePoint
> collaboration sites.
> - for now, though, the intranet is going to need to
> be a hierarchical
> grouping of pages that will have text content, and
> links to documents.
> We need to delegate permissions by regional office,
> then by department
> within each office.
>
> What I've begun to look at:
>
> - DotNetNuke. Pros: Full 'CMS'. Cons: looks a lot
> like sharepoint.
> Might have more features that we really need.
> - Graffiti CMS. Pros: VEERY nice interface. Cons:
> mainly a blogging
> engine, and doesn't quite seem to be built for the
> 'enterprise'.
> - FlexWiki: Pros: Wikis are quick and dirty. Cons:
> well, it's just a
> wiki. Probably a hard sell internally.
>
> Any other OS and/or low-cost .net-centric CMS
> systems on the market
> these days that I should take a look at? On my list
> of things to still
> look at are Community Server (same company as
> Graffiti CMS), and Ubarco
> (looks great, but might not yet be an established OS
> option).
>
> -Darrel
>
>
>
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