tag:www.nabble.com,2006:forum-2875Nabble - CCRMA2008-10-04T03:33:13ZThe Stanford University Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA) is a multi-disciplinary facility where composers and researchers work together using computer-based technology both as an artistic medium and as a research tool. CCRMA home is <a href="http://ccrma.stanford.edu" target="_top" rel="nofollow">here</a>.tag:www.nabble.com,2006:post-19810834Re: package updates2008-10-04T03:33:13Z2008-10-04T03:33:13Zandersvi>>>>> "F" == Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19810834&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">nando@...</a>> writes:
<br><br> F> What do other Planet CCRMA users think? Stay "stable" or release
<br> F> new versions?
<br><br>In my experience, new *releases* are most often more stable and always
<br>more useful then their predecessors. This relates to kernels, all the
<br>main applications (also music-related) and most of the more specialised
<br>ones as well.
<br><br>Experience with the more 'serious' development-releases where fresh
<br>versions are compiled from svn/cvs also suggests that most new bugs get
<br>very quickly fixed.
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<br><br>Fernando, if you could build it and stick it in the ccrma-testing repo all of us crazies who would like to take a chance can find it there.
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<br>Why not do like Fedora and have a bleeding-edge versions repo? Best (and worst!) of both worlds! I have often wanted to check out some new feature in ardour2, etc., but don't have the time to grok all the build instructions.<br>
<br>My two cents.<br><br>Steve<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Timo Sivula <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19804393&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">timo.sivula@...</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello<br>
> From: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano<br>
...<br>
> What do other Planet CCRMA users think? Stay "stable" or release new<br>
> versions? There's a compromise either way (fixed old bugs vs. new<br>
> unexpected bugs is one :-).<br>
<br>
Stability above new features, please.<br>
<br>
I want to use the little time I have making music, not solving<br>
software problems.<br>
<br>
Br. Timo<br>
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<br>> From: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
<br>...
<br>> What do other Planet CCRMA users think? Stay "stable" or release new
<br>> versions? There's a compromise either way (fixed old bugs vs. new
<br>> unexpected bugs is one :-).
<br><br>Stability above new features, please.
<br><br>I want to use the little time I have making music, not solving
<br>software problems.
<br><br>Br. Timo
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<br><br>> I'd like to say I prefer stable, but who am I kidding? We're running
<br>> Fedora. There's no such thing as stable. I think that's why there's
<br>> interest in the CentOS PlanetCCRMA. IMHO, that's what the users who
<br>> need stability should use (although I haven't tried it yet, so I don't
<br>> actually know how stable it is).
<br><br>Actually I don't know either. :-)
<br><br>I have been more or less following updates to the Fedora Planet CCRMA
<br>and leaving packages from Fedora as they are, with a few exceptions. I
<br>have also been trying to keep up with fast-moving software like
<br>patchage or rakarrack, but this kind of programs often need
<br>bleeding-edge libraries (GTK comes to mind) so I have not had much
<br>luck here.
<br><br>So I'd say the CentOS Planet CCRMA is rather stable, but there is no
<br>formal policy here and I'm not sure I would want one. I keep thinking
<br>about the issues people seem to have with recent versions of jack and
<br>I will probably upgrade to jackmp as soon as Fernando releases stable
<br>packages for Fedora.
<br><br>--
<br>Arnaud
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<br><<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19802295&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">nando@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> What do other Planet CCRMA users think? Stay "stable" or release new
<br>> versions? There's a compromise either way (fixed old bugs vs. new
<br>> unexpected bugs is one :-).
<br><br>I'd like to say I prefer stable, but who am I kidding? We're running
<br>Fedora. There's no such thing as stable. I think that's why there's
<br>interest in the CentOS PlanetCCRMA. IMHO, that's what the users who
<br>need stability should use (although I haven't tried it yet, so I don't
<br>actually know how stable it is).
<br><br>I find myself constantly wanting bleeding edge, so I can try out
<br>things like Ingen (which you have to build from snapshots or svn right
<br>now). Ardour 2.5 would be nice, so would CLAM 1.3, etc. If I had
<br>time, I'd probably build them myself.
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<br><br>Then again, as my primary application in use is Ardour, as they add more features to it, I want to be able to use them.
<br><br><br> -------------- Original message ----------------------
<br>From: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19797958&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">nando@...</a>>
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 20:13 -0500, <a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19797958&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">don.estabrook@...</a> wrote:
<br>> > Hello,
<br>> >
<br>> > Just an annoying newbie-type question, I'm afraid. (I have plenty more
<br>> > where this comes from... ;)
<br>> >
<br>> > I have Planet CCRMA 32-bit installed on a Fedora 8 machine. I have what
<br>> > I think are fairly typical yum repos set up -- fedora, livna,
<br>> > planetccrma -- as far as I remember, all stock configs except that
<br>> > "protect=yes" is set for most of them.
<br>> >
<br>> > I've started to play around with Ardour in little bits over the last few
<br>> > months. I'm mostly very impressed with it, and I'm sure I've barely
<br>> > scratched the surface. The current version I have on F8 is 2.4.1
<br>> > (ardour-2.4.1-1.fc8.i386.rpm), from the former fedora-updates -- now
<br>> > fedora-updates-newkey, I suppose. I'm running into various issues and
<br>> > mysterious things that are either bugs or simply clear signs of my
<br>> > ignorance. I noticed in the release announcement for 2.5 back in July a
<br>> > mention of "Tons of bug fixes and several new features", so naturally
<br>> > I'd like to see whether some of my problems might already be fixed, on
<br>> > the outside chance that they aren't all ignorance-related... But I
<br>> > haven't seen 2.5 show up in any updates so far, and it doesn't look to
<br>> > be in the -testing repo either. IIRC, 2.4.1 became available from the
<br>> > repo like 3 or 4 months after the release announcement, so is this
<br>> > typical?
<br>>
<br>> In general it is not. Ardour has moved from the Planet CCRMA distro to
<br>> Fedora proper. That particular release (2.4.1) took a long time coming.
<br>> I think that was a one time thing.
<br>>
<br>> > I thought I'd seen a couple mentions of a CCRMA build of ardour in this
<br>> > mailing list, so I started to wonder whether I had something messed up
<br>> > in the repo config files.
<br>>
<br>> No, I don't think so.
<br>>
<br>> > But then, I don't see a .rpm for ardour in
<br>> > the ccrma repo directory tree (using a web browser), and now I can't
<br>> > even find such a reference in any recent e-mails. So maybe it was just
<br>> > a hallucination.
<br>>
<br>> Ardour and many other programs have migrated to Fedora so you will not
<br>> find them in the repoview trees of Planet CCRMA. The more packages that
<br>> take that road the better (in the sense that I have less work to do, and
<br>> believe me, I have too much). A side effect is that probably releases
<br>> will not happen immediately - a new package release in Fedora takes a
<br>> while.
<br>>
<br>> Regretfully Ardour 2.5.x did not make it to Fedora 8, apparently 2.4.x
<br>> was deemed stable enough. I would not agree...
<br>>
<br>> > I can try downloading the source and building it myself, but wanted to
<br>> > avoid "re-inventing the wheel" if it's already available.
<br>>
<br>> I could do a quick build on fc8 starting from the fc9 source package.
<br>> I'll see if I can do that. You could also try it as well, of course.
<br>>
<br>> What do other Planet CCRMA users think? Stay "stable" or release new
<br>> versions? There's a compromise either way (fixed old bugs vs. new
<br>> unexpected bugs is one :-).
<br>>
<br>> -- Fernando
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>versions? There's a compromise either way (fixed old bugs vs. new
<br>unexpected bugs is one :-).
<br><br>Personally , while it is cool to have the cutting edge , I prefer
<br>stability for my D.A.W.s , I can always wait for the latest fedora to
<br>become "stable" while I use my trusty FC7 based D.A.W. in production -
<br>I did the same thing with FC4 until 7 became worked out.
<br>I can't have my working machines go squirrely after an update to find
<br>something no longer working that was working earlier. but hey that's
<br>just me , your mileage may vary.
<br>Thanks for all your amazing work.
<br>be Well and keep making music.
<br>Matt Marian.
<br><br>Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 20:13 -0500, <a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19795357&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">don.estabrook@...</a> wrote:
<br>>
<br>>> Hello,
<br>>>
<br>>> Just an annoying newbie-type question, I'm afraid. (I have plenty more
<br>>> where this comes from... ;)
<br>>>
<br>>> I have Planet CCRMA 32-bit installed on a Fedora 8 machine. I have what
<br>>> I think are fairly typical yum repos set up -- fedora, livna,
<br>>> planetccrma -- as far as I remember, all stock configs except that
<br>>> "protect=yes" is set for most of them.
<br>>>
<br>>> I've started to play around with Ardour in little bits over the last few
<br>>> months. I'm mostly very impressed with it, and I'm sure I've barely
<br>>> scratched the surface. The current version I have on F8 is 2.4.1
<br>>> (ardour-2.4.1-1.fc8.i386.rpm), from the former fedora-updates -- now
<br>>> fedora-updates-newkey, I suppose. I'm running into various issues and
<br>>> mysterious things that are either bugs or simply clear signs of my
<br>>> ignorance. I noticed in the release announcement for 2.5 back in July a
<br>>> mention of "Tons of bug fixes and several new features", so naturally
<br>>> I'd like to see whether some of my problems might already be fixed, on
<br>>> the outside chance that they aren't all ignorance-related... But I
<br>>> haven't seen 2.5 show up in any updates so far, and it doesn't look to
<br>>> be in the -testing repo either. IIRC, 2.4.1 became available from the
<br>>> repo like 3 or 4 months after the release announcement, so is this
<br>>> typical?
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>> In general it is not. Ardour has moved from the Planet CCRMA distro to
<br>> Fedora proper. That particular release (2.4.1) took a long time coming.
<br>> I think that was a one time thing.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>> I thought I'd seen a couple mentions of a CCRMA build of ardour in this
<br>>> mailing list, so I started to wonder whether I had something messed up
<br>>> in the repo config files.
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>> No, I don't think so.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>> But then, I don't see a .rpm for ardour in
<br>>> the ccrma repo directory tree (using a web browser), and now I can't
<br>>> even find such a reference in any recent e-mails. So maybe it was just
<br>>> a hallucination.
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>> Ardour and many other programs have migrated to Fedora so you will not
<br>> find them in the repoview trees of Planet CCRMA. The more packages that
<br>> take that road the better (in the sense that I have less work to do, and
<br>> believe me, I have too much). A side effect is that probably releases
<br>> will not happen immediately - a new package release in Fedora takes a
<br>> while.
<br>>
<br>> Regretfully Ardour 2.5.x did not make it to Fedora 8, apparently 2.4.x
<br>> was deemed stable enough. I would not agree...
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>> I can try downloading the source and building it myself, but wanted to
<br>>> avoid "re-inventing the wheel" if it's already available.
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>> I could do a quick build on fc8 starting from the fc9 source package.
<br>> I'll see if I can do that. You could also try it as well, of course.
<br>>
<br>> What do other Planet CCRMA users think? Stay "stable" or release new
<br>> versions? There's a compromise either way (fixed old bugs vs. new
<br>> unexpected bugs is one :-).
<br>>
<br>> -- Fernando
<br>>
<br>>
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hello,
<br>>
<br>> Just an annoying newbie-type question, I'm afraid. (I have plenty more
<br>> where this comes from... ;)
<br>>
<br>> I have Planet CCRMA 32-bit installed on a Fedora 8 machine. I have what
<br>> I think are fairly typical yum repos set up -- fedora, livna,
<br>> planetccrma -- as far as I remember, all stock configs except that
<br>> "protect=yes" is set for most of them.
<br>>
<br>> I've started to play around with Ardour in little bits over the last few
<br>> months. I'm mostly very impressed with it, and I'm sure I've barely
<br>> scratched the surface. The current version I have on F8 is 2.4.1
<br>> (ardour-2.4.1-1.fc8.i386.rpm), from the former fedora-updates -- now
<br>> fedora-updates-newkey, I suppose. I'm running into various issues and
<br>> mysterious things that are either bugs or simply clear signs of my
<br>> ignorance. I noticed in the release announcement for 2.5 back in July a
<br>> mention of "Tons of bug fixes and several new features", so naturally
<br>> I'd like to see whether some of my problems might already be fixed, on
<br>> the outside chance that they aren't all ignorance-related... But I
<br>> haven't seen 2.5 show up in any updates so far, and it doesn't look to
<br>> be in the -testing repo either. IIRC, 2.4.1 became available from the
<br>> repo like 3 or 4 months after the release announcement, so is this
<br>> typical?
</div><br>In general it is not. Ardour has moved from the Planet CCRMA distro to
<br>Fedora proper. That particular release (2.4.1) took a long time coming.
<br>I think that was a one time thing.
<br><br>> I thought I'd seen a couple mentions of a CCRMA build of ardour in this
<br>> mailing list, so I started to wonder whether I had something messed up
<br>> in the repo config files.
<br><br>No, I don't think so.
<br><br>> But then, I don't see a .rpm for ardour in
<br>> the ccrma repo directory tree (using a web browser), and now I can't
<br>> even find such a reference in any recent e-mails. So maybe it was just
<br>> a hallucination.
<br><br>Ardour and many other programs have migrated to Fedora so you will not
<br>find them in the repoview trees of Planet CCRMA. The more packages that
<br>take that road the better (in the sense that I have less work to do, and
<br>believe me, I have too much). A side effect is that probably releases
<br>will not happen immediately - a new package release in Fedora takes a
<br>while.
<br><br>Regretfully Ardour 2.5.x did not make it to Fedora 8, apparently 2.4.x
<br>was deemed stable enough. I would not agree...
<br><br>> I can try downloading the source and building it myself, but wanted to
<br>> avoid "re-inventing the wheel" if it's already available.
<br><br>I could do a quick build on fc8 starting from the fc9 source package.
<br>I'll see if I can do that. You could also try it as well, of course.
<br><br>What do other Planet CCRMA users think? Stay "stable" or release new
<br>versions? There's a compromise either way (fixed old bugs vs. new
<br>unexpected bugs is one :-).
<br><br>-- Fernando
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<br><br>Just an annoying newbie-type question, I'm afraid. (I have plenty more
<br>where this comes from... ;)
<br><br>I have Planet CCRMA 32-bit installed on a Fedora 8 machine. I have what
<br>I think are fairly typical yum repos set up -- fedora, livna,
<br>planetccrma -- as far as I remember, all stock configs except that
<br>"protect=yes" is set for most of them.
<br><br>I've started to play around with Ardour in little bits over the last few
<br>months. I'm mostly very impressed with it, and I'm sure I've barely
<br>scratched the surface. The current version I have on F8 is 2.4.1
<br>(ardour-2.4.1-1.fc8.i386.rpm), from the former fedora-updates -- now
<br>fedora-updates-newkey, I suppose. I'm running into various issues and
<br>mysterious things that are either bugs or simply clear signs of my
<br>ignorance. I noticed in the release announcement for 2.5 back in July a
<br>mention of "Tons of bug fixes and several new features", so naturally
<br>I'd like to see whether some of my problems might already be fixed, on
<br>the outside chance that they aren't all ignorance-related... But I
<br>haven't seen 2.5 show up in any updates so far, and it doesn't look to
<br>be in the -testing repo either. IIRC, 2.4.1 became available from the
<br>repo like 3 or 4 months after the release announcement, so is this
<br>typical?
<br><br>I thought I'd seen a couple mentions of a CCRMA build of ardour in this
<br>mailing list, so I started to wonder whether I had something messed up
<br>in the repo config files. But then, I don't see a .rpm for ardour in
<br>the ccrma repo directory tree (using a web browser), and now I can't
<br>even find such a reference in any recent e-mails. So maybe it was just
<br>a hallucination.
<br><br>I can try downloading the source and building it myself, but wanted to
<br>avoid "re-inventing the wheel" if it's already available.
<br><br>Thanks much,
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Subject: [PlanetCCRMA] ffado, jack and ccrma<BR>
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Hi,<BR>
I have currently got access to a Phonic Helix 12 firewire MkII mixer. I have built libffado (ffado library version: libffado 1.999.36-) and jack (version 0.113.0) in order to test it out. I can get sound from the various input channels and feed them back to the output channels of the mixer successfully (although qjackctl logs some problems with reading the config rom which don't seem to prevent the basic workings of the mixer). However, I can't download any useful packages (eg ardour) from the ccrma repo without it trying to install jack as well. I don't really have the spare time to build all the packages I might need from scratch so my (possibly dumb) question is :- Is there any way to persuade yum that I already have a jack package installed which might allow me to continue with my experimentation?<BR>
<BR>
If anything comes of any of this or if anyone can suggest useful info I could pass on, I would be happy to gather any information I can which might be of use to either planetccrma or to the ffado project.<BR>
<BR>
Cheers,<BR>
Simon<BR>
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<BR>
Sorry for replying to myself but I've got this to work now so I'm posting the info in the hope that it may be of use to someone else.<BR>
<BR>
1) I obtained the experimental SRPM of FFADO 2.0 Beta6 (1.999.36), packaged by Jarod Wilson from <A HREF="http://wilsonet.com/packages/libffado/libffado-2.0-0.1.beta6.fc10.src.rpm" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wilsonet.com/packages/libffado/libffado-2.0-0.1.beta6.fc10.src.rpm</A>, compiled and installed it.<BR>
<BR>
2) I then compiled and installed the ccrma testing version of jack from <A HREF="http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/testing/8/SRPMS/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.109.12-0.svn1135_942.1.fc8.ccrma.src.rpm" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/testing/8/SRPMS/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.109.12-0.svn1135_942.1.fc8.ccrma.src.rpm</A><BR>
<BR>
3) I compiled qjackctl 0.3.3 (the repo version may have been OK but I didn't try that)<BR>
<BR>
4) yum install ardour<BR>
<BR>
5) setup qjackctl to use firewire as the driver and start everything up. Bingo - 10 input channels, 2 output channels (It's not a great mixer but I didn't buy it) - all connect properly through qjackctl's connection panel.<BR>
<BR>
The only problem is that if jack crashes for any reason (which it did a couple of times until I managed to remove all the failed parts of my earlier experimentation) it won't restart until you force a bus reset using gscanbus.<BR>
<BR>
Cheers,<BR>
Simon<BR>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hi,<BR>
I have currently got access to a Phonic Helix 12 firewire MkII mixer. I have built libffado (ffado library version: libffado 1.999.36-) and jack (version 0.113.0) in order to test it out. I can get sound from the various input channels and feed them back to the output channels of the mixer successfully (although qjackctl logs some problems with reading the config rom which don't seem to prevent the basic workings of the mixer). However, I can't download any useful packages (eg ardour) from the ccrma repo without it trying to install jack as well. I don't really have the spare time to build all the packages I might need from scratch so my (possibly dumb) question is :- Is there any way to persuade yum that I already have a jack package installed which might allow me to continue with my experimentation?<BR>
<BR>
If anything comes of any of this or if anyone can suggest useful info I could pass on, I would be happy to gather any information I can which might be of use to either planetccrma or to the ffado project.<BR>
<BR>
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> [snip]
<br>>
<br>>> obviously there's a difference between the way you start jackd through
<br>>> qjackctl and from the command line: you set 2 as for the number of input
<br>>> and output channels while on qjackctl setup--depending on your hardware
<br>>> that can be, and i suspect it is, the real show-stopper. hint: fallback
<br>>> to the "(default)" value, please.
<br>>>
<br>> Oh, but I tried that before I emailed the list. But then again, how
<br>> could you know with the little info I gave (sorry).
<br>>
<br>> It is true as you say that when I started jackd from the CLI I did not
<br>> specifiy the number of I/O channels (it satill gives me two fully
<br>> functional input and output ports), whereas in Qjackctl I did. It
<br>> turns out if I set the output channels to 6 in Qjackctl it has no
<br>> problems starting jack. It didn't use to be like this. Yesterday
<br>> morning I could start up Qjackctl for the specifiec hardware with 1,
<br>> 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 output channels. Now, my question was mainly related
<br>> to whether someone else has seen this happen: after a Qjackctl crash
<br>> (incidentally Qjackctl and Pd) it breaks in this way.
<br>>
<br>> However, it may be (more) related alsa. Running alsamixer for the
<br>> specified hardware reports 6 output playback channels and no capture
<br>> cannels. So finding out what the "default" values for input/output
<br>> should be is kind of difficult.
<br>>
</div><br>you don't have to find anything :) just set the value down to 0 which
<br>gives you the "(default)" setting for input and output channels.
<br><br>cheers
<br>--
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<br><br>> obviously there's a difference between the way you start jackd through
<br>> qjackctl and from the command line: you set 2 as for the number of input
<br>> and output channels while on qjackctl setup--depending on your hardware
<br>> that can be, and i suspect it is, the real show-stopper. hint: fallback
<br>> to the "(default)" value, please.
<br>>
<br>Oh, but I tried that before I emailed the list. But then again, how
<br>could you know with the little info I gave (sorry).
<br><br>It is true as you say that when I started jackd from the CLI I did not
<br>specifiy the number of I/O channels (it satill gives me two fully
<br>functional input and output ports), whereas in Qjackctl I did. It
<br>turns out if I set the output channels to 6 in Qjackctl it has no
<br>problems starting jack. It didn't use to be like this. Yesterday
<br>morning I could start up Qjackctl for the specifiec hardware with 1,
<br>2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 output channels. Now, my question was mainly related
<br>to whether someone else has seen this happen: after a Qjackctl crash
<br>(incidentally Qjackctl and Pd) it breaks in this way.
<br><br>However, it may be (more) related alsa. Running alsamixer for the
<br>specified hardware reports 6 output playback channels and no capture
<br>cannels. So finding out what the "default" values for input/output
<br>should be is kind of difficult.
<br><br>best,
<br><br>/Henrik
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Henrik Frisk wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>> Hi all,
<br>>>
<br>>> After some issues with Qjackctl (crashes) it no longer wants to start
<br>>> but issues the following:
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>> Which versions of Fedora, qjackctl and jack-audio-connection-kit are you
<br>> using?
<br>>
</div>Sorry, I clearly gave far too little information. It was late at night...
<br><br>This is for FC8 with the 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc8 kernel, Qjackctl 0.3.1a,
<br>jack 0.109.2. It's on a Dell 640M laptop with a Terratec Phase 26 USB
<br>audio interface. And, just to be clear, Qjackctl has always worked
<br>fine until yesterday.
<br><br>best
<br><br>/Henrik
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi all,
<br>>
<br>> After some issues with Qjackctl (crashes) it no longer wants to start
<br>> but issues the following:
<br>>
<br>> JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
<br>> loading driver ..
<br>> SSE2 detected
<br>> apparent rate = 48000
<br>> creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|1024|4|48000|2|2|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
<br>> control device hw:1
<br>> configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames (21.3 ms), buffer = 4 periods
<br>> ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 16bit little-endian
<br>> ALSA: use 4 periods for capture
<br>> ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 16bit little-endian
<br>> ALSA: cannot set channel count to 2 for playback
<br>> ALSA: cannot configure playback channel
<br>> cannot load driver module alsa
<br>> no message buffer overruns
<br>> 22:40:40.243 JACK was stopped successfully.
<br>> 22:40:40.244 Post-shutdown script...
<br>> 22:40:40.244 killall jackd
<br>> jackd: no process killed
<br>> 22:40:40.654 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.
<br>> 22:40:42.406 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall
<br>> operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the
<br>> messages window for more info.
<br>>
<br>> However, jackd started with the same backend (alsa) and the same
<br>> hardware and settings works fine:
<br>>
<br>> JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
<br>> loading driver ..
<br>> SSE2 detected
<br>> creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|1024|4|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
<br>> control device hw:1
<br>> configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames (21.3 ms), buffer = 4 periods
<br>> ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 16bit little-endian
<br>> ALSA: use 4 periods for capture
<br>> ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 16bit little-endian
<br>> ALSA: use 4 periods for playback
<br>>
<br>> Any ideas as to why this may be?
<br>>
</div><br>obviously there's a difference between the way you start jackd through
<br>qjackctl and from the command line: you set 2 as for the number of input
<br>and output channels while on qjackctl setup--depending on your hardware
<br>that can be, and i suspect it is, the real show-stopper. hint: fallback
<br>to the "(default)" value, please.
<br><br>cheers
<br>--
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<br>> Hi all,
<br>>
<br>> After some issues with Qjackctl (crashes) it no longer wants to start
<br>> but issues the following:
<br>>
<br>Which versions of Fedora, qjackctl and jack-audio-connection-kit are you
<br>using?
<br><br>AG
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
<br>> loading driver ..
<br>> SSE2 detected
<br>> apparent rate = 48000
<br>> creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|1024|4|48000|2|2|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
<br>> control device hw:1
<br>> configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames (21.3 ms), buffer = 4 periods
<br>> ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 16bit little-endian
<br>> ALSA: use 4 periods for capture
<br>> ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 16bit little-endian
<br>> ALSA: cannot set channel count to 2 for playback
<br>> ALSA: cannot configure playback channel
<br>> cannot load driver module alsa
<br>> no message buffer overruns
<br>> 22:40:40.243 JACK was stopped successfully.
<br>> 22:40:40.244 Post-shutdown script...
<br>> 22:40:40.244 killall jackd
<br>> jackd: no process killed
<br>> 22:40:40.654 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.
<br>> 22:40:42.406 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall
<br>> operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the
<br>> messages window for more info.
<br>>
<br>> However, jackd started with the same backend (alsa) and the same
<br>> hardware and settings works fine:
<br>>
<br>> JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
<br>> loading driver ..
<br>> SSE2 detected
<br>> creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|1024|4|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
<br>> control device hw:1
<br>> configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames (21.3 ms), buffer = 4 periods
<br>> ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 16bit little-endian
<br>> ALSA: use 4 periods for capture
<br>> ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 16bit little-endian
<br>> ALSA: use 4 periods for playback
<br>>
<br>> Any ideas as to why this may be?
<br>>
<br>> Thanks,
<br>>
<br>> /Henrik
<br>>
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<br><br>After some issues with Qjackctl (crashes) it no longer wants to start
<br>but issues the following:
<br><br>JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
<br>loading driver ..
<br>SSE2 detected
<br>apparent rate = 48000
<br>creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|1024|4|48000|2|2|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
<br>control device hw:1
<br>configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames (21.3 ms), buffer = 4 periods
<br>ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 16bit little-endian
<br>ALSA: use 4 periods for capture
<br>ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 16bit little-endian
<br>ALSA: cannot set channel count to 2 for playback
<br>ALSA: cannot configure playback channel
<br>cannot load driver module alsa
<br>no message buffer overruns
<br>22:40:40.243 JACK was stopped successfully.
<br>22:40:40.244 Post-shutdown script...
<br>22:40:40.244 killall jackd
<br>jackd: no process killed
<br>22:40:40.654 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.
<br>22:40:42.406 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall
<br>operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the
<br>messages window for more info.
<br><br>However, jackd started with the same backend (alsa) and the same
<br>hardware and settings works fine:
<br><br>JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
<br>loading driver ..
<br>SSE2 detected
<br>creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|1024|4|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
<br>control device hw:1
<br>configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames (21.3 ms), buffer = 4 periods
<br>ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 16bit little-endian
<br>ALSA: use 4 periods for capture
<br>ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 16bit little-endian
<br>ALSA: use 4 periods for playback
<br><br>Any ideas as to why this may be?
<br><br>Thanks,
<br><br>/Henrik
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<br>i finally got Freebob on Jack: what i was missing was to install the
<br>raw1394 package from CCRMA before installing the applications.
<br>I thought that that package was part of the "core" package, so i had
<br>to deinstall the fedora raw1394, thus deinstalling all the
<br>applications, get the CCRMA raw1394 then reinstall all the apps.
<br>Simone
<br><br>On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:34 PM, simone-www. io-lab. org
<br><<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19741012&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cimo75@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM, simone-www. io-lab. org
<br>> <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19741012&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cimo75@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
<br>>> <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19741012&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">nando@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>>> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 20:20 +0200, simone-www.io-lab.org wrote:
<br>>>>> hi
<br>>>>> i am running fedora 8 with ccrma and i ve just acquired a firewire
<br>>>>> soundcard but trying to launch jack with firewire i get
<br>>>>> jackd: unknown driver 'firewire'
<br>>>>> as far as i can understand that means that no firewire audio drivers
<br>>>>> are installed
<br>>>>
<br>>>> That means that jack does not have the driver you want.
<br>>>> What version of jack are you running?
<br>>>> rpm -q jack-audio-connection-kit
<br>>>>
<br>>>> The current jack does not have the faado driver included. Someone
<br>>>> (sorry, don't remember the name) was working in packaging the faado
<br>>>> libraries for Fedora, don't know what the status of that is.
<br>>> jack-audio-connection-kit-0.109.2-0.svn1088.1.fc8.ccrma
<br>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>> The current driver available for jack firewire usage is called freebob
<br>>>> (the previous incantation of faado).
<br>>> yep i know that but i can t run it with freebob either
<br>>> here from jack output:
<br>>>
<br>>> Freebob using Firewire port 0, node -1
<br>>> Ieee1394Service::initialize: Could not get 1394 handle: Invalid argument
<br>>> Is ieee1394 and raw1394 driver loaded?
<br>>> [31mFatal (devicemanager.cpp)[68] initialize: Could not initialize
<br>>> Ieee1349Service object
<br>>> [0m [31mFatal (freebob.cpp)[69] freebob_new_handle: Could not
<br>>> initialize device manager
<br>>> LibFreeBoB ERR: cannot create libfreebob handle
<br>>> FreeBoB ERR: FREEBOB: Error creating virtual device
<br>>> [0mcannot load driver module freebob
<br>>>
<br>>> and no i don t have ieee1394 loaded
<br>>> if i modprobe ieee1394:
<br>>>
<br>>> [io@localhost ~]$ /sbin/modprobe ieee1394
<br>>> FATAL: Module ieee1394 not found.
<br>>>
<br>>> and
<br>>>
<br>>> [io@localhost ~]$ /sbin/lsmod
<br>>> Module Size Used by
<br>>> raw1394 24408 0
<br>>> dv1394 19128 0
<br>>> i915 23552 2
<br>>> drm 67476 3 i915
<br>>> rfkill_input 7680 0
<br>>> rfcomm 34320 0
<br>>> l2cap 22144 9 rfcomm
<br>>> bluetooth 49124 4 rfcomm,l2cap
<br>>> sunrpc 151996 3
<br>>> dm_mirror 21888 0
<br>>> dm_multipath 18696 0
<br>>> dm_mod 50256 2 dm_mirror,dm_multipath
<br>>> ipv6 233060 10
<br>>> arc4 5760 2
<br>>> ecb 6528 2
<br>>> blkcipher 9092 1 ecb
<br>>> b43 143008 0
<br>>> rfkill 9364 3 rfkill_input,b43
<br>>> mac80211 195956 1 b43
<br>>> cfg80211 26632 1 mac80211
<br>>> input_polldev 7176 1 b43
<br>>> irda 102584 0
<br>>> crc_ccitt 5760 1 irda
<br>>> dcdbas 10272 0
<br>>> snd_intel8x0m 17164 1
<br>>> snd_seq_dummy 6660 0
<br>>> joydev 12608 0
<br>>> pcspkr 6400 0
<br>>> ssb 36612 1 b43
<br>>> ohci1394 29744 1 dv1394
<br>>> snd_intel8x0 30876 4
<br>>> snd_ac97_codec 93604 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
<br>>> ac97_bus 5888 1 snd_ac97_codec
<br>>> snd_seq_oss 31872 0
<br>>> snd_seq_midi_event 9600 1 snd_seq_oss
<br>>> snd_seq 49520 8 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
<br>>> snd_seq_device 10252 3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
<br>>> video 19984 0
<br>>> output 6656 1 video
<br>>> snd_pcm_oss 44416 0
<br>>> snd_mixer_oss 17152 3 snd_pcm_oss
<br>>> button 10256 0
<br>>> battery 12932 0
<br>>> snd_pcm 70788 5
<br>>> snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
<br>>> ac 7940 0
<br>>> snd_timer 21380 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
<br>>> snd 49028 17
<br>>> snd_intel8x0m,snd_seq_dummy,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
<br>>> soundcore 9824 3 snd
<br>>> snd_page_alloc 11400 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
<br>>> iTCO_wdt 14036 0
<br>>> iTCO_vendor_support 6916 1 iTCO_wdt
<br>>> tg3 103172 0
<br>>> sg 32144 0
<br>>> ata_piix 17796 2
<br>>> pata_acpi 8576 0
<br>>> ata_generic 8836 0
<br>>> libata 128496 3 ata_piix,pata_acpi,ata_generic
<br>>> sd_mod 27136 3
<br>>> scsi_mod 124396 3 sg,libata,sd_mod
<br>>> ext3 112264 1
<br>>> jbd 40980 1 ext3
<br>>> mbcache 10240 1 ext3
<br>>> uhci_hcd 23440 0
<br>>> ohci_hcd 22404 0
<br>>> ehci_hcd 31884 0
<br>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>> -- Fernando
<br>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>>> having a look at ffado site i may have to deinstall jack, install
<br>>>>> ffado and reinstall jack to have ffado support, that means compiling
<br>>>>> jack from source and not being able to use ccrma s jack , right?
<br>>>>> i thought that firewire audio was supported since the raw1394 library
<br>>>>> was installed, or am i missing something?
<br>>>>> any other idea/hint about firewire support is welcome
<br>>>>> simone
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>> hi (again)
<br>> i had it working as a superuser in Ubuntu (trick was to add ALSO root
<br>> to the audio group)
<br>> no luck with Fedora though, although i am now pretty sure that the
<br>> problem is on the permissions in /etc/udev/
<br>> i tried to compare my Ubuntu settings with the Fedora settings but the
<br>> way permissions are managed is different.
<br>> Could anybody post me his/her firewire relative settings in /etc/udev/
<br>> in a system where freebob works for the normal user?
<br>> thanks
<br>> Simone
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> --
<br>>> .wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be
<br>>> accepted and/or viewed....
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> .wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be
<br>> accepted and/or viewed....
<br>>
</div><br><br><br>--
<br>.wmv , .wma , .pps along with all proprietary Windows formats won t be
<br>accepted and/or viewed....
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<br><br>The PlanetCCRMA jacktrip still has the port offset "-o" feature. It is a
<br>stable release and will not be developed further.
<br><br>The sourceforge jacktrip-alpha-1 project still needs that feature
<br>implemented (among several others).
<br><br>The latter is a total rewrite and will eventually replace the
<br>PlanetCCRMA version. Testing and feedback are most welcome and there's
<br>now a mail list <a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19726932&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">jacktrip-devel@...</a>
<br><br>Chris
<br><br>On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 09:27 +0200, Helle Espen wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Thanks,
<br>> But, actually I belive this parameter has been removed in the alpha-1
<br>> version.(saw it in earlier versions.)
<br>> I also wish there was a parameter to set the name of the
<br>> Jacktrip-client.
<br>> To differensiate between two jacktrips on one comnputer.
<br>> JackTrip and JackTrip-1 is a kind of similar when one is going to
<br>> connect several computers
<br>> and depends on which one is started first...
<br>>
<br>> Espen
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>But, actually I belive this parameter has been removed in the alpha-1
<br>version.(saw it in earlier versions.)
<br>I also wish there was a parameter to set the name of the
<br>Jacktrip-client.
<br>To differensiate between two jacktrips on one comnputer.
<br>JackTrip and JackTrip-1 is a kind of similar when one is going to
<br>connect several computers
<br>and depends on which one is started first...
<br><br>Espen
<br><br><br>
<br><br>-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Chris Chafe [mailto:<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19719364&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cc@...</a>]
<br>Sent: 26. september 2008 22:23
<br>To: Helle Espen
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<br>Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Jacktrip: 1 server and 2 clients, is it
<br>possible?
<br><br>Helle,
<br><br>The option to use is "-o" which will accept an integer for port number
<br>offset.
<br><br>Use one sever / client pair with the default (which will require UDP
<br>port 4464), and use the other pair with, e.g., -o 10 which will assign
<br>port 4474.
<br><br>Chris
<br><br>On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:09 +0200, Helle Espen wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Thanks :)
<br>>
<br>> Can you explain little more?
<br>> How do you set 2 jacktrip servers to bind to a different UDP ports?
<br>> I do not find any option for UDP port number from the commando line.
<br>> Do you change UDP-port constant and recompile jacktrip to get another
<br>> version, or is there some simpler way to do it?
<br>>
<br>> Espen
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> ______________________________________________________________________
<br>> From: Chris Chafe [mailto:<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19719364&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cc@...</a>]
<br>> Sent: 15. september 2008 15:43
<br>> To: Helle Espen; <a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19719364&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">planetccrma@...</a>
<br>> Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Jacktrip: 1 server and 2 clients, is it
<br>> possible?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> Yes it works but a slightly different way to describe it, though.
<br>> I would use two servers and two clients where the servers are the same
</div><br>> machine and the two clients are different ones.
<br>>
<br>> The concept is currently that you create a network connection
<br>> bi-directionally between pairs of machines. A machine can have
<br>> multiple jackTrip processes running (e.g., the two servers) as long as
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> they are assigned different UDP ports.
<br>>
<br>> Audio gets patched in qjackctl according to your needs. The same mic
<br>> input, for instance could feed the two server processes.
<br>>
<br>> Chris
<br>>
<br>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:22:51 +0200, Helle Espen wrote
<br>> > Hi, I am using alpha-1 version of jacktrip.
<br>> > But I am wondering if it is possible to have one server with two
<br>> > clients connected simultaniously?
<br>> > I am trying, but it does seem to work.
<br>> >
<br>>
<br>>
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<br> I have an Audigy2 ZS installed on my desktop (came with it). I'm used
<br>to the Envy24Control to manage the channels on my workstation in the
<br>studio (Delta 1010). Is there a similar control software for the Audigy2
<br>ZS? I'd prefer it, vs cmd line for this, but I can do cmd line if anyone
<br>knows how to get the accessory inputs.
<br><br>The problem:
<br>I get sound out of the system (play test.wav for example), but I don't get
<br>sound via line 2 input on the accessory input (box that is installed in
<br>one of the drive bays. I've verified all cables are connected as per the
<br>mfg's site. I've verified the settings via QJackctl. Everything looks
<br>right, but now sound.
<br><br>TIA
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<br>Presentations and Telepresence Performance @ Mills College
<br>Thursday 10/2/08, 6:45pm
<br>Mills College, Music Building, Ensemble Room
<br>5000 MacArthur Blvd., Oakland, CA 94613
<br><br>Please RSVP Here: <a href="http://www.barcmut.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.barcmut.org</a><br><br>Thanks to Mills College for hosting the Bay Area computer music
<br>technology group this month! Presentation descriptions are below.
<br>Please come at 6:45 as the 30 minute tele-presence performance will
<br>begin at 7pm.
<br><br>1) Telepresence event:
<br>Faculty and student performers at Mills will improvise with musicians
<br>in Chicago via an internet connection as part of the The Annual
<br>Chicago Calling Arts Festival. This will be a medium-fidelity
<br>connection (not Internet2), so the performers will be working within
<br>the inherent limitations of the ubiquitous medium artistically, rather
<br>than trying to demonstrate new technological abilities. For more
<br>information on the festival and this event visit <a href="http://www.chicagocalling.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagocalling.org</a>
<br>.
<br><br>2) Chris Brown talk about The Hub's network music composition "Vav" :
<br>Chris Brown will discuss and demonstrate the interactive systems used
<br>in "Vav", a network-music composition currently installed at the new
<br>Contemporary Jewish Museum in San Francisco as part of the John Zorn
<br>Presents the Aleph-Bet Sound Project. The piece was created by The
<br>Hub based on a protocol of data-exchange and musical responses among
<br>the six members of the group, each performing with their own computer
<br>instruments and software. An aesthetic that favors a balance between
<br>algorithimically generated and improvised musical actions in network
<br>music performance will be proposed.
<br><br>3) Ge wang will present on Composing and Conducting for Laptop
<br>Orchestra:
<br>The presentation outlines some techniques for composing, performing,
<br>and conducting for laptop orchestra, drawing from experiences with the
<br>Stanford Laptop Orchestra (SLOrk) and Princeton Laptop Orchestra
<br>(PLOrk). In this context, we also look ahead to the upcoming Laptop
<br>Orchestra of the Left (LOL).
<br><br>The event will be in the ensemble room in the Mills College music
<br>building. Take the east-most entrance to Mills. The music building is
<br>the 3rd building on the right after entering campus and the ensemble
<br>room is on the ground floor at the far end of the building.
<br><br>Best,
<br>Noah Thorp
<br>Bay Area Computer Music Technology Group (BArCMuT) Organizer
<br><a href="http://www.barcmut.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.barcmut.org</a><br><br>BIOS:
<br><br>CHRIS BROWN, composer, pianist, and electronic musician, creates music
<br>for acoustic instruments with interactive electronics, for computer
<br>networks, and for improvising ensembles. Collaboration and
<br>improvisation are consistent themes in his work, as well as the
<br>invention and performance of new electronic instruments. He is a
<br>member of the pioneering computer network band “The Hub” and is a
<br>Professor of Music and Co-Director of the Center for Contemporary
<br>Music (CCM) at Mills College in Oakland, California. www.cbmuse.com.
<br><br>Ge Wang ( <a href="http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~ge/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~ge/</a> ) is currently an assistant
<br>professor at Stanford University in the Center for Computer Research
<br>in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA), having received his PhD in Computer
<br>Science in 2008 from Princeton University. His research interests
<br>include interactive software systems for computer music, programming
<br>languages, sound synthesis and analysis, music information retrieval,
<br>new performance ensembles (e.g., laptop orchestras) and paradigms
<br>(e.g., live coding), visualization, interfaces for human-computer
<br>interaction, and methodologies for education at the intersection of
<br>computer science and music. Ge is the chief architect of the ChucK
<br>audio programming language ( <a href="http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/</a> ). He was
<br>a founding developer and co-director of the Princeton Laptop Orchestra
<br>(PLOrk), the founder and director of the Stanford Laptop Orchestra
<br>( SLOrk - <a href="http://slork.stanford.edu/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://slork.stanford.edu/</a> ). He has co-founded the Mobile
<br>Phone Orchestra (MoPhO) and is establishing the Laptop Orchestra of
<br>the Left (LOL) in collaboration with the Bay Area Music Technology
<br>Group. Recently, Ge has co-founded SonicMule ( http://
<br>www.smule.com ), a startup creating interactive sonic media. Ge
<br>composes and performs via various electro-acoustic and computer-
<br>mediated means.
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<br>but got sidetracked and forgot. On the Guile graphics question,
<br>there are at least two sets of bindings for guile and openGL,
<br>but they are separate from the guile library. I am hesitating to
<br>say this... I have abandoned guile and gauche -- I'll keep that
<br>code going in CLM/Snd until it becomes a bother, then it's gone.
<br>I can't express what a relief this is! I believe that Rick wants to use
<br>s7 (my new scheme) eventually -- it is on my TODO list to
<br>try CM/s7. But there may not be a unified package anytime soon.
<br>If you're interested in CLM itself, use Snd; if you want CLM+CM,
<br>the best bet right now is probably sbcl.
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<br>> What is the difference between CM as installed from:
<br>> <a href="http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/8/i386/repoview/cm.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/8/i386/repoview/cm.html</a><br>> and Grace from this link?
<br>> <a href="http://camil.music.uiuc.edu/Software/grace/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://camil.music.uiuc.edu/Software/grace/</a><br><br>I don't know enough to tell you. The Common Music packaged in Planet
<br>CCRMA is quite old and many many changes (many non-backward compatible)
<br>have happened since then. Common Music has been historically (IMHO)
<br>quite "fluid", with new interfaces and APIs coming and going through its
<br>life, usually with no consideration for backwards compatibility.
<br><br>> I am trying to follow along with Rick Taube's Algorithmic Design of Music
<br>> class:
<br>> <a href="http://camil.music.uiuc.edu/Classes/404A1/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://camil.music.uiuc.edu/Classes/404A1/</a><br>> and his Notes from the Meta level book.
<br>>
<br>> I couldn't build Grace (source from the site above) on my Fedora 8/CCRMA
<br>> laptop
<br><br>What problem did you find?
<br><br>> and neither of the Linux binarys (built for Ubuntu) would work. (It
<br>> would really be cool if someone could put a Grace package in CCRMA)
<br><br>I would love to but I have yet to find the time. There is now "demand"
<br>for it so I may bump it in priority :-) But Common Music has always be
<br>somewhat painful to package, I imagine its new versions would not be any
<br>better in that respect.
<br><br>> Common Music (from the repoview above) is installed and seems to work OK,
<br>> will this be adequate?
<br><br>I think it will be missing things.
<br><br>> The differences I perceive is that SAL is not available so I will have to
<br>> convert all the SAL code to Scheme or Lisp.
<br>> When I run CM it starts with SBCL instead of Guile, but it acts like Scheme,
<br>> is this by design?
<br><br>This is by design. There is a (thin) layer that emulates part of scheme.
<br>Actually Common Music is written in scheme but is translated on the fly
<br>to Common Lisp when it is compiled.
<br><br>> Are all the functions used in the Meta level book and the class notes
<br>> available in CCRMA CM environment? (especially the csound, midi and spawn
<br>> functions that are beyond my coding capabilities)
<br><br>I don't know what is in the class notes, I imagine most of the stuff
<br>would not be in the CCRMA packages, they are too old and Rick is
<br>probably using the bleeding edge stuff that is only available from his
<br>newest code.
<br><br>> Should I be using CM and Scheme or CLM and Lisp? (I'm a little more fluent
<br>> in Lisp but the Meta level book appears to be Scheme).
<br><br>Well, CM and CLM are different animals in the Lisp Zoo, CM works at the
<br>note level and CLM at the synthesis and processing level level. Actually
<br>both can work on either Scheme or Common Lisp. What I probably should do
<br>is to package both for scheme as well as for Common Lisp to provide a
<br>migration path. CLM, or actually the CLM that is part of Snd comes now
<br>with its own multi-threaded Scheme written from scratch by Bill
<br>(awesome!!!!)
<br><br>> What is the graphic part of Guile, does it use GL for graphics like fluxus?
<br>> <a href="http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/</a><br>> (I like fluxus, a scheme environment, but it seems designed to turn sounds
<br>> into graphics and I'm more interested in turning graphic expressions into
<br>> music)
<br><br>Hope this helps.....
<br>-- Fernando
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<DIV>I am trying to get something going that will let me play live, or recorded canary song that will divide it into measures, judge its timbre, its musicality, the contance of the song's beat and number and kind of notes sung.</DIV>
<DIV>I know that a good bit of criteria would have to be entered into the program, most likely as an add on in order to make this work but I am trying to find something that will at least have the features in it to some degree.</DIV>
<DIV>If any of you know how or about this process, I would really appreciate it very much.</DIV>
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<br><br>The option to use is "-o" which will accept an integer for port number
<br>offset.
<br><br>Use one sever / client pair with the default (which will require UDP
<br>port 4464), and use the other pair with, e.g., -o 10 which will assign
<br>port 4474.
<br><br>Chris
<br><br>On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:09 +0200, Helle Espen wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Thanks :)
<br>>
<br>> Can you explain little more?
<br>> How do you set 2 jacktrip servers to bind to a different UDP ports?
<br>> I do not find any option for UDP port number from the commando line.
<br>> Do you change UDP-port constant and recompile jacktrip to get another
<br>> version, or is there some simpler way to do it?
<br>>
<br>> Espen
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> ______________________________________________________________________
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<br>> Sent: 15. september 2008 15:43
<br>> To: Helle Espen; <a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19695724&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">planetccrma@...</a>
<br>> Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Jacktrip: 1 server and 2 clients, is it
<br>> possible?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> Yes it works but a slightly different way to describe it, though.
<br>> I would use two servers and two clients where the servers are the same
<br>> machine and the two clients are different ones.
<br>>
<br>> The concept is currently that you create a network connection
<br>> bi-directionally between pairs of machines. A machine can have
<br>> multiple jackTrip processes running (e.g., the two servers) as long as
<br>> they are assigned different UDP ports.
<br>>
<br>> Audio gets patched in qjackctl according to your needs. The same mic
<br>> input, for instance could feed the two server processes.
<br>>
<br>> Chris
<br>>
<br>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:22:51 +0200, Helle Espen wrote
<br>> > Hi, I am using alpha-1 version of jacktrip.
<br>> > But I am wondering if it is possible to have one server
<br>> > with two clients connected simultaniously?
<br>> > I am trying, but it does seem to work.
<br>> >
<br>>
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<br>> loving it. There are a few applications that I build myself so I can
<br>> have the newer versions, but other than that, it's vanilla Fedora and
<br>> vanilla CCRMA.
<br>>
<br><br>Hi David
<br><br>AFAIK, applications like Pd and Chuck are still 32-bit.
<br><br>If I may; should I rephrase your first question to: is it worth updating
<br>to '64-bit' at this time?.
<br><br>Previous posts still report on '32-bit ' being pretty fast machines.
<br><br>Keep us posted on your 16GB RAM machine!.
<br><br> --* Juan
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<br> I have CentOS on a Thinkpad T60. I would like to run the RT-kernel, BUT
<br>I need the IWL3945 driver to support WPA. At last check it was only
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<br><br>TIA,
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<br><br>> I am thinking about the 64-bit version, for a specific reason.
<br><br>> PS - I currently have the computer booting from a USB thumb drive, so
<br>> it's already near silent. But, the thumb drive is slightly slower than
<br>> running from a hard disk, so I'm looking around for other solutions.
<br><br>I don't think that I can help you much, but I can offer you some of my experience:
<br><br>I've had a amd(dual core) machine for over a year now that seems to work fine with the 64 bit version of fedora 7.
<br><br>The machine has 8 gigs of ram in it and I love the way it acts. If I start up a program and quit it, there's a very good chance that the kernel will be leaving it cached in ram; so when I want to start it again it's almost instant. The planet apps work real well on the machine, but as I said, it's a year old and fedora isn't supporting fedora 7 any more. There is also a minor problem with using 64 bit; there are a number of apps that won't run at 64.
<br><br>I've been experimenting with fedora 9 on the above machine, along with a couple of others that are amd athlon64 with one and two gigs of ram. On these other two machines I have managed to get the fedora 9 32bit version of most everything working pretty well, with a little tweaking here and there.
<br><br>Now back to the 8 gig machine.
<br>It has an sli graphics card in it, and it seems that because of the new xorg in fedora 9; the x window system is very unstable. There are no good graphics drivers for that system. I did do some experimenting with it and tried loading 32 bit fedora 9 on it and got decent results using a PAE kernel, within the confines of having lousy video drivers for it.
<br><br>As for using fedora 8 with more then 4 gig of ram? I think going with lots of ram is very good, ram costs little now and having a lot makes the machines very snappy when loading apps that have been used before during the session on the machine. I've hardly ever ran into using swap and lots of cool games can be played with the ram, like ram disks etc. Just remember that fedora 8 support goes away in a few months though.
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<br><a href="http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/8/i386/repoview/cm.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/8/i386/repoview/cm.html</a><br>and Grace from this link?
<br><a href="http://camil.music.uiuc.edu/Software/grace/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://camil.music.uiuc.edu/Software/grace/</a><br><br>I am trying to follow along with Rick Taube's Algorithmic Design of Music class:
<br><a href="http://camil.music.uiuc.edu/Classes/404A1/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://camil.music.uiuc.edu/Classes/404A1/</a><br>and his Notes from the Meta level book.
<br><br>I couldn't build Grace (source from the site above) on my Fedora 8/CCRMA laptop and neither of the Linux binarys (built for Ubuntu) would work. (It would really be cool if someone could put a Grace package in CCRMA)
<br><br>Common Music (from the repoview above) is installed and seems to work OK, will this be adequate?
<br><br>The differences I perceive is that SAL is not available so I will have to convert all the SAL code to Scheme or Lisp.
<br>When I run CM it starts with SBCL instead of Guile, but it acts like Scheme, is this by design?
<br>Are all the functions used in the Meta level book and the class notes available in CCRMA CM environment? (especially the csound, midi and spawn functions that are beyond my coding capabilities)
<br>Should I be using CM and Scheme or CLM and Lisp? (I'm a little more fluent in Lisp but the Meta level book appears to be Scheme).
<br>What is the graphic part of Guile, does it use GL for graphics like fluxus?
<br><a href="http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/</a><br>(I like fluxus, a scheme environment, but it seems designed to turn sounds into graphics and I'm more interested in turning graphic expressions into music)
<br><br>Thanks for any advice.
<br>-- Jeff Sandys<p>From forum: <a href="http://www.nabble.com/PlanetCCRMA---General-f520.html" embed="fixTarget[520]" target="_top" >PlanetCCRMA - General</a></p>tag:www.nabble.com,2006:post-19675628Re: How is 64-bit? Want to run CCRMA from a ram disk.2008-09-25T11:27:09Z2008-09-25T11:27:09ZMartin Tarenskeen> that I'm crazy.) I am contemplating building a machine with, say, 16 GiB
<br>> of RAM, and allocating the majority of it, at boot, to a ram disk, and
<br>> loading the entire operating system into that ram disk. (DSL, or Damn
<br>> Small Linux, does this.) I've already got all my recording files on a
<br>> computer in the other room, so this would allow me to run a computer
<br>> with no hard drives, and would be wickedly fast.
<br>>
<br>> Has anyone attempted this?
<br><br>I'm running Fedora 9 / CCRMA on an Asus EeePC 900. Not really fast, but
<br>very much OK for ultra-mobile MIDI sequencing with an external hardware
<br>synth and Rosegarden. I even tried some DSSI softsynths (Whysynth,
<br>Hexter) succesfully.
<br><br>My EeePC version uses 20 GB SSD disk for storage. Very quiet and fast
<br>operation. I also have a 8 GB SDHC memorycard plugged in. SSD disks are
<br>getting bigger and cheaper every day. I think there might be a future
<br>for this kind of storage as a replacement for noisy harddisks for music
<br>applications.
<br><br>Not quite answering your question, but the topic is related.
<br><br>--
<br><br>Martin Tarenskeen
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