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Best IPS system?Hello mailing list,
I would like to buy the "best" system available to the IPS network of my business. My company has only 200 users, all share an Internet connection (10 m). We now use Sonicwall to connect, but we are concerned about the hostile e-mails, malware websites, and people in piracy. Who produces the best job? Which is most capture hacker attempts? The product should not interfere with operations on the network (all connection is filled by the backup off-site at nite). Many thanks, SB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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RE: Best IPS system?That's a SUPER-loaded question. There is no easy answer. And I guarantee
you will get a wide array of answers and arguments. Questions like yours evoke intense emotional responses from some people. There is no one "best" solution. Each solution can be effective depending on the expertise of your staff, complexity of your network, etc. For example, many people will howl that all you need is an open source solution. That may be a good fit, if you have the in-house expertise in open-source platforms and the time to manage and maintain it. If you don't, then a commercial appliance would be better. Given your size, you might want to look toward a UTM (Unified Threat Management) type appliance. They offer multiple capabilities in one appliance. They typically will shine in one area and be mediocre in others. Remember, no solution is best. All of them have weaknesses. That said, this is what I would recommend (I am sure it will deeply and profoundly offend some people, it always does): For UTM: Fortinet WatchGuard Juniper SSG For stand alone IPS: TippingPoint Juniper ISS I do a lot of work with Fortinet and have found them to be a very good and robust all around UTM solution. A little easier to work with than Juniper and the Cisco ASA. The IPS in Fortinet is okay. The new MR6 code makes it a lot easier to work with the IPS. It is a very feature-rich platform with very good performance. The Juniper SSGs are okay. Good overall, the IPS is a little lacking. WatchGuard is a deeply messed up company, but they got some new owners and seem to be turning around. Their product is very easy to use. Another thing to keep in mind is the "best in class" problem. In an ideal world, it is best to purchase the best solution in each class (best firewall, best IPS, best mail filter, etc.) The problem with that strategy is that it is very expensive to do that. This is why UTMs have benefits. They allow you to collapse multiple applications on to a single platform. There are, of course, drawbacks to that strategy. Best suggestion - get demos of 2 or 3 solutions, pick the one you like and be happy. But remember that no matter what you pick, it will have weaknesses and there will always be somebody who tells you it was a bad choice. Good luck. ___________________________________ Andrew Plato, CISSP, CISM President/Principal Consultant Anitian Enterprise Security www.anitian.com > -----Original Message----- > From: listbounce@... > [mailto:listbounce@...] On Behalf Of Shelly Beasley > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:01 PM > To: focus-ids@... > Subject: Best IPS system? > > Hello mailing list, > > I would like to buy the "best" system available to the IPS > network of my business. My company has only 200 users, all > share an Internet connection (10 m). We now use Sonicwall to > connect, but we are concerned about the hostile e-mails, > malware websites, and people in piracy. Who produces the best > job? Which is most capture hacker attempts? The product > should not interfere with operations on the network (all > connection is filled by the backup off-site at nite). > > Many thanks, > > SB > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Test Your IDS > > Is your IDS deployed correctly? > Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world > attacks from CORE IMPACT. > Go to > http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impa > to learn more. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > _________________________________________________ NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information, and is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply to the message and inform the sender of the error and delete the email and any attachments from your computer. _________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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RE: Best IPS system?Hello Shelly,
Intoto offers IntruPro IPS which is deployed in the L2 mode. So it would be deployed along with you're your Sonicwall gateway. It offers very much what you want. Binaries are available for free download from http://wiki.intoto.com/ Basem -----Original Message----- From: listbounce@... [mailto:listbounce@...] On Behalf Of Shelly Beasley Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:01 PM To: focus-ids@... Subject: Best IPS system? Hello mailing list, I would like to buy the "best" system available to the IPS network of my business. My company has only 200 users, all share an Internet connection (10 m). We now use Sonicwall to connect, but we are concerned about the hostile e-mails, malware websites, and people in piracy. Who produces the best job? Which is most capture hacker attempts? The product should not interfere with operations on the network (all connection is filled by the backup off-site at nite). Many thanks, SB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=in tro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ******************************************************************************** This email message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. Intoto Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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RE: Best IPS system?>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listbounce@... >> [mailto:listbounce@...] On Behalf Of Shelly Beasley >> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:01 PM >> To: focus-ids@... >> Subject: Best IPS system? >> >> Hello mailing list, >> >> I would like to buy the "best" system available to the IPS >> network of my business. My company has only 200 users, all >> share an Internet connection (10 m). We now use Sonicwall to >> connect, but we are concerned about the hostile e-mails, >> malware websites, and people in piracy. Who produces the best >> job? Which is most capture hacker attempts? The product >> should not interfere with operations on the network (all >> connection is filled by the backup off-site at nite). On Thu, May 8, 2008 1:09 pm, Andrew Plato wrote: > That's a SUPER-loaded question. There is no easy answer. And I guarantee > you will get a wide array of answers and arguments. Questions like yours > evoke intense emotional responses from some people. The man speaks the truth here :-) <snip> > That said, this is what I would recommend (I am sure it will deeply and > profoundly offend some people, it always does): > > For UTM: > Fortinet > WatchGuard > Juniper SSG > > For stand alone IPS: > TippingPoint > Juniper > ISS My two cents: ISS is atrocious. I can't stress that enough. I'm anxious to see if IBM's purchase helps or hinders their product line. TippingPoint and Sourcefire have the best IPSs with the smartest team of engineers behind them. These folks actually have some passion for their product, just not a great marketing team with glossy brochures. Never had a problem with them. ISS products on the other hand, failed often, didn't perform well and had terrible customer service. As Andrew said, get some demos. Everyone in this market is itching to get these things in your hands. Some will even stop by, hook it up and show you. Take advantage and choose wisely. Good luck, Randy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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RE: Best IPS system?--On Saturday, May 10, 2008 01:40:49 -0400 "Randal T. Rioux"
<randy@...> wrote: > > My two cents: ISS is atrocious. I can't stress that enough. I'm anxious to > see if IBM's purchase helps or hinders their product line. > <aol>Me too</aol> Would never buy another ISS product under any circumstances and devoutly wish we could dump the boat anchor we have now (but we grunts don't make those decisions.) -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@...) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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RE: Best IPS system?listbounce@... wrote:
::: -----Original Message----- ::: From: listbounce@... ::: [mailto:listbounce@...] On Behalf Of Shelly Beasley ::: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:01 PM ::: To: focus-ids@... ::: Subject: Best IPS system? ::: ::: Hello mailing list, ::: ::: I would like to buy the "best" system available to the IPS ::: network of my business. My company has only 200 users, all ::: share an Internet connection (10 m). We now use Sonicwall to ::: connect, but we are concerned about the hostile e-mails, ::: malware websites, and people in piracy. Who produces the best ::: job? Which is most capture hacker attempts? The product ::: should not interfere with operations on the network (all ::: connection is filled by the backup off-site at nite). : : On Thu, May 8, 2008 1:09 pm, Andrew Plato wrote: :: That's a SUPER-loaded question. There is no easy answer. And I :: guarantee you will get a wide array of answers and arguments. :: Questions like yours evoke intense emotional responses from some :: people. : : The man speaks the truth here :-) : : <snip> :: That said, this is what I would recommend (I am sure it will deeply :: and profoundly offend some people, it always does): :: :: For UTM: :: Fortinet :: WatchGuard :: Juniper SSG :: :: For stand alone IPS: :: TippingPoint :: Juniper :: ISS : <snip> : : My two cents: ISS is atrocious. I can't stress that enough. I'm : anxious to see if IBM's purchase helps or hinders their product line. : : TippingPoint and Sourcefire have the best IPSs with the smartest team : of engineers behind them. These folks actually have some passion for : their product, just not a great marketing team with glossy brochures. Never : had a problem with them. ISS products on the other hand, failed often, : didn't perform well and had terrible customer service. : : As Andrew said, get some demos. Everyone in this market is itching to : get these things in your hands. Some will even stop by, hook it up and : show you. Take advantage and choose wisely. We just had a demo from Sourcefire (traditional IDS/IPS) and AirTight (wireless IPS), and just bought the equipment when the demo was over. We had a 5-month demo with Sourcefire that was originally scheduled for 30 days, but we wanted to thoroughly test the system, and their take on it was, basically, "..test it as long as you want to..." Support from both vendors is top-notch, both during and after the demo. Weekly webex meetings to make sure all our questions were answered, access to 24x7 support during the demo, and even onsite engineers to help us get everything setup specifically for our environment AT NO CHARGE. Again, this is just my experience with these 2 companies - you might hear different from others. -Kevin This message may contain confidential or proprietary information and is intended solely for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail or act upon the information contained herein. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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RE: Best IPS system?Shelly, Kevin,
AirTight is great and I have already chimed in on my thoughts about Sourcefire. If you are going wireless as well I'd also look at AirMagnet another great wireless vendor. Paul Osterwald Senior Consultant Security & Advanced Infrastructure AT&T Consulting 714-679-1884 (C) 714-288-2748 (O) Connect people with their world - EVERYWHERE THEY LIVE AND WORK - and do it better than anyone else. Confidential: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of AT&T and/or its affiliates, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipient (s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at 714-679-1884 or 714-288-2748 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: listbounce@... [mailto:listbounce@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Reiter Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:44 PM To: focus-ids@... Cc: Shelly Beasley Subject: RE: Best IPS system? listbounce@... wrote: ::: -----Original Message----- ::: From: listbounce@... ::: [mailto:listbounce@...] On Behalf Of Shelly Beasley ::: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:01 PM ::: To: focus-ids@... ::: Subject: Best IPS system? ::: ::: Hello mailing list, ::: ::: I would like to buy the "best" system available to the IPS ::: network of my business. My company has only 200 users, all ::: share an Internet connection (10 m). We now use Sonicwall to ::: connect, but we are concerned about the hostile e-mails, ::: malware websites, and people in piracy. Who produces the best ::: job? Which is most capture hacker attempts? The product ::: should not interfere with operations on the network (all ::: connection is filled by the backup off-site at nite). : : On Thu, May 8, 2008 1:09 pm, Andrew Plato wrote: :: That's a SUPER-loaded question. There is no easy answer. And I :: guarantee you will get a wide array of answers and arguments. :: Questions like yours evoke intense emotional responses from some :: people. : : The man speaks the truth here :-) : : <snip> :: That said, this is what I would recommend (I am sure it will deeply :: and profoundly offend some people, it always does): :: :: For UTM: :: Fortinet :: WatchGuard :: Juniper SSG :: :: For stand alone IPS: :: TippingPoint :: Juniper :: ISS : <snip> : : My two cents: ISS is atrocious. I can't stress that enough. I'm : anxious to see if IBM's purchase helps or hinders their product line. : : TippingPoint and Sourcefire have the best IPSs with the smartest team : of engineers behind them. These folks actually have some passion for : their product, just not a great marketing team with glossy brochures. Never : had a problem with them. ISS products on the other hand, failed often, : didn't perform well and had terrible customer service. : : As Andrew said, get some demos. Everyone in this market is itching to : get these things in your hands. Some will even stop by, hook it up and : show you. Take advantage and choose wisely. We just had a demo from Sourcefire (traditional IDS/IPS) and AirTight (wireless IPS), and just bought the equipment when the demo was over. We had a 5-month demo with Sourcefire that was originally scheduled for 30 days, but we wanted to thoroughly test the system, and their take on it was, basically, "..test it as long as you want to..." Support from both vendors is top-notch, both during and after the demo. Weekly webex meetings to make sure all our questions were answered, access to 24x7 support during the demo, and even onsite engineers to help us get everything setup specifically for our environment AT NO CHARGE. Again, this is just my experience with these 2 companies - you might hear different from others. -Kevin This message may contain confidential or proprietary information and is intended solely for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail or act upon the information contained herein. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=in tro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Re: Best IPS system?The definition of "best" depends on your needs and deployment scenario. However, you should check the ICSAlabs Network Intrusion Prevention certification program. http://www.icsalabs.com/icsa/main.php?pid=0bfb$3d9d7ea5-6b8ee967$66d7-9df12ea4 The certified products, https://www.icsalabs.com/icsa/topic.php?tid=e6cb$36ebf2b4-fe67b635$6cb5-d675a991 have passed a very tight certification testing that needs to be maintained, or the product gets desertified. http://feeds.feedburner.com/icsalabsnetworkips Picking any of the certified products should be a safe choise. //Opi On Wed, 7 May 2008, Shelly Beasley wrote: > Hello mailing list, > > I would like to buy the "best" system available to the IPS network of > my business. My company has only 200 users, all share an Internet > connection (10 m). We now use Sonicwall to connect, but we are > concerned about the hostile e-mails, malware websites, and people in > piracy. Who produces the best job? Which is most capture hacker > attempts? The product should not interfere with operations on the > network (all connection is filled by the backup off-site at nite). > > Many thanks, > > SB > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Test Your IDS > > Is your IDS deployed correctly? > Find out quickly and easily by testing it > with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. > Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw > to learn more. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Edit the fstab with ed? (n) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Re: Best IPS system?check out the dragon stuff
enterasys.com On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Shelly Beasley <shellymbeasley@...> wrote: > Hello mailing list, > > I would like to buy the "best" system available to the IPS network of > my business. My company has only 200 users, all share an Internet > connection (10 m). We now use Sonicwall to connect, but we are > concerned about the hostile e-mails, malware websites, and people in > piracy. Who produces the best job? Which is most capture hacker > attempts? The product should not interfere with operations on the > network (all connection is filled by the backup off-site at nite). > > Many thanks, > > SB > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Test Your IDS > > Is your IDS deployed correctly? > Find out quickly and easily by testing it > with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. > Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw > to learn more. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- -p1g SnortCP, ESSE-D, C|HFI, TNCP, TECP, NACP, A+, whatever.. ,,__ o" )~ oink oink ' ' ' ' If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked. -- former White House cybersecurity czar Richard Clarke ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Re: Best IPS system?On Sun, May 18, 2008 10:53 pm, p1g wrote:
> check out the dragon stuff > > enterasys.com > What is it that you like about the Dragon solutions? What specific product(s) have you used/evaluated? How does it differ from other ID/PS's? Thanks, Randy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Re: Best IPS system?I am using their NIDS/NIPS and NBAD sensors.
THe power is in their SIM. Dragon Security Command Console DSCC (Q-1 Labs) Leveraging vulnerability information with sig detection, host events(windows, linux, web, FW) and (NBAD) makes for a very useful tool. I have not noticed a huge difference in sig based ids, the all seem to matching against the name patterns. The biggest difference I found was in the SIM. It aggregates the alerts in a single offense per target IP address. So if if a chain of events, say, port scan followed by a expolit attempt (attempting to expolit a vuln the the system knows the target is vuln to), follwed by unsuccessful login attempts, follwed by sucessful, data transfer out bound, ssh over non ssh port, etc, etc. All in 1 record alert. I can bring it up and see what really happened, if anything. Maybe it was an attack against unix vuln dirrected to a windows server? The NBAD sensors can be configured to collect a portion of every packet on the wire. from 64k to 2048k ( i have tried any higher). Usually about 1200k is enough to see what was in a given payload. So when you are reviewing an offense you can pivot directly to the packetraces or to the events that contributed to the offense. You can also rate all your host by criticality.So? Well if it a busy day, or you have multiple offenses, dscc will prioritize your response based on the 'magnitude' of the offense. Magnitude = Credibility of the reporting source(tuned or untuned snort sensor), Relavance (host criticality rating 1-10), vulnerbility info (known to have ir not have the vulnerability), etc. I could say alot. I went as far as to buy the suite and go to training and got certified (ESSE-D). I know that doesn't mean s@#$, but I was very into it. Still am. I know I have said it before, I don't want to know how people are doing it without this type of technology. Wasting alot of time i guess. p1g On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Randal T. Rioux <randy@...> wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2008 10:53 pm, p1g wrote: >> check out the dragon stuff >> >> enterasys.com >> > > What is it that you like about the Dragon solutions? What specific > product(s) have you used/evaluated? How does it differ from other ID/PS's? > > Thanks, > Randy > > > -- -p1g SnortCP, ESSE-D, C|HFI, TNCP, TECP, NACP, A+, whatever.. ,,__ o" )~ oink oink ' ' ' ' If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked. -- former White House cybersecurity czar Richard Clarke ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test Your IDS Is your IDS deployed correctly? Find out quickly and easily by testing it with real-world attacks from CORE IMPACT. Go to http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=Form&action=impact&campaign=intro_sfw to learn more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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