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Asking for bot status
by Andre Engels
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I am sometimes asked to request for bot status for my bot. I find this
strange. Bot status is there for the normal users of the wiki, not for the bot operator. If you want my bot to have bot status, then you request it. I'd be happy to help you in that, but why should I request something just because someone else wants it? -- Andre Engels, andreengels@... ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l |
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Re: Asking for bot status
by Dan Collins-2
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Because...that's policy...and policy is good?
On 5/6/07, Andre Engels <andreengels@...> wrote: > > I am sometimes asked to request for bot status for my bot. I find this > strange. Bot status is there for the normal users of the wiki, not for > the bot operator. If you want my bot to have bot status, then you > request it. I'd be happy to help you in that, but why should I request > something just because someone else wants it? > > -- > Andre Engels, andreengels@... > ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels > > _______________________________________________ > Wikibots-l mailing list > Wikibots-l@... > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l > -- ST47 Editor, en.wikipedia _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l |
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Re: Asking for bot status
by Brianna Laugher
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On 07/05/07, Andre Engels <andreengels@...> wrote:
> I am sometimes asked to request for bot status for my bot. I find this > strange. Bot status is there for the normal users of the wiki, not for > the bot operator. If you want my bot to have bot status, then you > request it. I'd be happy to help you in that, but why should I request > something just because someone else wants it? Because it's respectful when you're playing on someone else's turf, to play by their rules? cheers, Brianna _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l |
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Re: Asking for bot status
by Andre Engels
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2007/5/7, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@...>:
> On 07/05/07, Andre Engels <andreengels@...> wrote: > > I am sometimes asked to request for bot status for my bot. I find this > > strange. Bot status is there for the normal users of the wiki, not for > > the bot operator. If you want my bot to have bot status, then you > > request it. I'd be happy to help you in that, but why should I request > > something just because someone else wants it? > > Because it's respectful when you're playing on someone else's turf, to > play by their rules? Which rule are we talking about? It's people from wikipedia X asking me to ask wikipedia X to have my bot get bot status. If they want my bot to have bot status, I'm not stopping them. I just find it strange for someone to say "please ask me for Y" when the one profiting from Y is that person... -- Andre Engels, andreengels@... ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l |
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Re: Asking for bot status
by Platonides
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Andre Engels wrote:
> Which rule are we talking about? It's people from wikipedia X asking > me to ask wikipedia X to have my bot get bot status. If they want my > bot to have bot status, I'm not stopping them. I just find it strange > for someone to say "please ask me for Y" when the one profiting from Y > is that person... > Because wikipedia X probably has some rule of "accounts who edit by automated programs must/should have bot status" ? _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l |
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Re: Asking for bot status
by Bence Damokos
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I think by running a bot, you are kinda invading Wikipedia X, if you ask for
a bot status, than that makes you welcome, as opposed to someone, who floods the recent changes, and thinks he's doing good... On 5/7/07, Platonides <platonides@...> wrote: > > Andre Engels wrote: > > Which rule are we talking about? It's people from wikipedia X asking > > me to ask wikipedia X to have my bot get bot status. If they want my > > bot to have bot status, I'm not stopping them. I just find it strange > > for someone to say "please ask me for Y" when the one profiting from Y > > is that person... > > > > Because wikipedia X probably has some rule of "accounts who edit by > automated programs must/should have bot status" ? > > _______________________________________________ > Wikibots-l mailing list > Wikibots-l@... > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l > Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l |
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Re: Asking for bot status
by Tim Doyle-2
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I think there is a communication problem here. Correct me if I am wrong, but
here's what I understand: 1. Andre is the author of a bot framework. 2. Other people use this framework to create bots of their own to use on various wikis. 3. Andre is being asked to get bot status for these bots, which he is not running himself. Yes, the wikipedia X sites have policies which require bots to be registered, but Andre is not operating these bots - he simply is working on the underlying framework which other people then use to create a bot for a specific purpose. Andre: It appears that you are being contacted to discuss bot status because you're the only contact that the site operators can find. As long as your name is so closely tied to the pywikipedia bot framework, you will probably receive such requests. I would simply craft a standard reply that you can send out indicating that you are not the author of the bot in question, but simply work on the underlying framework used, that you do not know who authored the said bot, and that you wish them well in tracking them down. That's my current understanding, but I am open to hearing different ideas in case my understanding of the issues here are flawed. Tim -----Original Message----- From: wikibots-l-bounces@... [mailto:wikibots-l-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Platonides Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:35 AM To: Wikimedia bot editors discussion Subject: Re: [Wikibots-l] Asking for bot status Andre Engels wrote: > Which rule are we talking about? It's people from wikipedia X asking > me to ask wikipedia X to have my bot get bot status. If they want my > bot to have bot status, I'm not stopping them. I just find it strange > for someone to say "please ask me for Y" when the one profiting from Y > is that person... > Because wikipedia X probably has some rule of "accounts who edit by automated programs must/should have bot status" ? _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l |
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Re: Asking for bot status
by Andre Engels
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2007/5/7, Tim Doyle <tim@...>:
> I think there is a communication problem here. Correct me if I am wrong, but > here's what I understand: > > 1. Andre is the author of a bot framework. > 2. Other people use this framework to create bots of their own to use on > various wikis. > 3. Andre is being asked to get bot status for these bots, which he is not > running himself. No, that's not the issue. It is about my own bot. And it's not about getting bot status, but about asking to get bot status. If I had been in some position to make it happen (like being a Steward), I would not mind having to use that. If someone else requests a bot flag for my bot, I happily give whatever information information is needed. But what's happening is that people come to me saying they think my bot should have a bot flag, so I should ask for it. If YOU think that my bot needs a bot flag, why don't YOU request it? -- Andre Engels, andreengels@... ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l |
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Re: Asking for bot status
by Tim Doyle-2
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Ah - thank you for clarifying for me!
Tim -----Original Message----- From: wikibots-l-bounces@... [mailto:wikibots-l-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Andre Engels Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:59 AM To: Wikimedia bot editors discussion Subject: Re: [Wikibots-l] Asking for bot status 2007/5/7, Tim Doyle <tim@...>: > I think there is a communication problem here. Correct me if I am > wrong, but here's what I understand: > > 1. Andre is the author of a bot framework. > 2. Other people use this framework to create bots of their own to use > on various wikis. 3. Andre is being asked to get bot status for these > bots, which he is not running himself. No, that's not the issue. It is about my own bot. And it's not about getting bot status, but about asking to get bot status. If I had been in some position to make it happen (like being a Steward), I would not mind having to use that. If someone else requests a bot flag for my bot, I happily give whatever information information is needed. But what's happening is that people come to me saying they think my bot should have a bot flag, so I should ask for it. If YOU think that my bot needs a bot flag, why don't YOU request it? -- Andre Engels, andreengels@... ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l _______________________________________________ Wikibots-l mailing list Wikibots-l@... http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibots-l |
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