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Anyone seen this?
by Dave Yates
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I caught a report on wtop about a VA progrom "Motorcycle 411".
http://wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1440431 Fearing another VSP boondoggle... Anytime I hear or see "safety campaign", I reflexively reach to protect my wallet :-/ Details were sketchy, so I dug around and found: http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/motorcycle_safety_action_team.asp and the MAC website: http://www.motorcycleva.com/index.cfm I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Dave _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Chris Norloff-2
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I like the parts about educating other road users to look for motorcyclists.
I gotta say, though, when I first saw "Motorcycle 411" I thought it said "Motorcycle 911" and it was to turn in bad bikers. Then they'd send the helo gunship to take care of things ... Chris -----Original Message----- From: dc-cycles-bounces@... [mailto:dc-cycles-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave Yates Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:16 AM To: DCCycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone seen this? I caught a report on wtop about a VA progrom "Motorcycle 411". http://wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1440431 Fearing another VSP boondoggle... Anytime I hear or see "safety campaign", I reflexively reach to protect my wallet :-/ Details were sketchy, so I dug around and found: http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/motorcycle_safety_action_team.asp and the MAC website: http://www.motorcycleva.com/index.cfm I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Dave _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Doug Allis
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I think this section says how much they care:
Traffic lights that sometimes do not detect smaller vehicles can present another challenge for motorcyclists. If a traffic light does not turn green within a reasonable time period, and there is no approaching traffic coming from behind, the motorcyclist should roll the throttle on and off a few times, revving the engine. The added power may be sufficient to disrupt the electrical field. If not, turn the motorcycle off and restart it. The electrical field created by the starter should disrupt the sensor field and trigger the sensor. If there seems to be a frequent problem at a specific light, the motorcyclist may ask that a detector be examined. Yeah, I can see myself turning my bike off and restarting it a few times. What if all this doesn't work? From the sound of this, I bet I'd get a ticket going thru that light. > From: dave@...> To: dc-cycles@...> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:15:38 +0000> Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone seen this?> > I caught a report on wtop about a VA progrom "Motorcycle 411". > http://wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1440431> > Fearing another VSP boondoggle... Anytime I hear or see "safety campaign", I reflexively reach to protect my wallet :-/ > > Details were sketchy, so I dug around and found:> http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/motorcycle_safety_action_team.asp> > and the MAC website:> http://www.motorcycleva.com/index.cfm> > I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.> > Dave> > > > _______________________________________________> dc-cycles mailing list> dc-cycles@...> http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by smthng else
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Doug Allis <dhallis@...> wrote:
> Yeah, I can see myself turning my bike off and restarting it a few times. What if all this doesn't work? From the sound of this, I bet I'd get a ticket going thru that light. There's a "stalled light" caveat somewhere in the VA laws. I looked it up once, but can't remember exactly where I found it. I think it's smthng along the lines of "If a light doesn't change within two minutes, you're free to go as long as no traffic is approaching from any direction". I know I've run several stalled lights in the area and never had an issue. Of course, there wasn't a cop parked at one at the time. ;) --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 - It's here, but it hasn't earned a name yet. ;) http://smthng.info "If I'd known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself." _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Joel Watkinson (Cars)
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FYU, as seen in many places and videos on the net these days, lights are mostly triggered by induction loops. I used to get them to trip by driving up to where I could put my kickstand down on the cut in the pavement. That was on my old Ninja where the stand was steel. Anyway, you make a DIY magnet or get something like the Green Light Trigger as seen here.
http://www.greenlightstuff.com/trigger.html http://casporttouring.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=13000&Category_Code=Specials Still, it needs to be mounted as low as possible and the closer you drive to one of the lines in the pavement, the better, but they definitely help make triggering the light easier if not solve the problem outright. -----Original Message----- From: dc-cycles-bounces@... [mailto:dc-cycles-bounces@...] On Behalf Of smthng else Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:52 PM To: Doug Allis Cc: Dave Yates; DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone seen this? On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Doug Allis <dhallis@...> wrote: > Yeah, I can see myself turning my bike off and restarting it a few times. What if all this doesn't work? From the sound of this, I bet I'd get a ticket going thru that light. There's a "stalled light" caveat somewhere in the VA laws. I looked it up once, but can't remember exactly where I found it. I think it's smthng along the lines of "If a light doesn't change within two minutes, you're free to go as long as no traffic is approaching from any direction". I know I've run several stalled lights in the area and never had an issue. Of course, there wasn't a cop parked at one at the time. ;) --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 - It's here, but it hasn't earned a name yet. ;) http://smthng.info "If I'd known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself." _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Robert-72
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An even simpler solution is one that I've seen in many cities in the
West (but not around DC...), where the traffic lanes at lights all have a small "X" painted on the pavement. This marks the spot where light-weight vehicles like bikes and motorbikes can trigger the induction loop circuit. Takes a little bit to start noticing them, but even if you have to back and turn a bit to get them to trip, it's far better than doing the three-right-turns strategy to get through a non-responsive traffic signal. Robert On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Joel Watkinson (Cars) <Cars@...> wrote: > FYU, as seen in many places and videos on the net these days, lights are mostly triggered by induction loops. I used to get them to trip by driving up to where I could put my kickstand down on the cut in the pavement. That was on my old Ninja where the stand was steel. Anyway, you make a DIY magnet or get something like the Green Light Trigger as seen here. > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Steve McCollom
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From: "smthng else" <smthngelse@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone seen this? > > There's a "stalled light" caveat somewhere in the VA laws. I looked > it up once, but can't remember exactly where I found it. I think it's > smthng along the lines of "If a light doesn't change within two > minutes, you're free to go as long as no traffic is approaching from > any direction". > > I know I've run several stalled lights in the area and never had an > issue. Of course, there wasn't a cop parked at one at the time. ;) > As of last month, according to the AMA, there are only seven states where you can legally proceed through a non-responsive traffic light, and the Old Domonion isn't one of them. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-10-red-light-laws_N.htm I have called Arlington County Public Works a few times about two signals in my area that never change until a cage arrives. One time the guy who answered even said that he "couldn't promise anything would happen" because they don't get enough complaints about this. And of course, as far as I can tell they have never been adjusted. Speaking of the Code of Virginia, I wonder how many riders know that Iron Butt rides are against the law here: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-812 _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Steve McCollom
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Oh, I forgot. Note that the guy in the USA Today photo is splitting. :-)
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Chris Norloff-2
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I find that stopping right over the 'cut lines' in the pavement works well.
Though a recent Motorcycle Consumer News article (??) said 6 in. to either side was better. My favorite story about that: stopped at a light that wouldn't sense me, I turned to the cager behind me, pointed to the ground behind me, and motioned her forward (palm up, curl fingers). She smiled, waved, pulled around me, and ran the light. Chris -----Original Message----- From: dc-cycles-bounces@... [mailto:dc-cycles-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:23 PM To: DCCycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Anyone seen this? An even simpler solution is one that I've seen in many cities in the West (but not around DC...), where the traffic lanes at lights all have a small "X" painted on the pavement. This marks the spot where light-weight vehicles like bikes and motorbikes can trigger the induction loop circuit. Takes a little bit to start noticing them, but even if you have to back and turn a bit to get them to trip, it's far better than doing the three-right-turns strategy to get through a non-responsive traffic signal. Robert On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Joel Watkinson (Cars) <Cars@...> wrote: > FYU, as seen in many places and videos on the net these days, lights are mostly triggered by induction loops. I used to get them to trip by driving up to where I could put my kickstand down on the cut in the pavement. That was on my old Ninja where the stand was steel. Anyway, you make a DIY magnet or get something like the Green Light Trigger as seen here. > _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Matthew Bafford
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Chris Norloff <chris02@...> wrote:
> I find that stopping right over the 'cut lines' in the pavement works well. > Though a recent Motorcycle Consumer News article (??) said 6 in. to either > side was better. I think the best solution - and cheaper than buying one of those light tripper devices - is to just lay the bike down over the sensors. I'm pretty sure that'd work well enough. Think of it as exercising. > My favorite story about that: stopped at a light that wouldn't sense me, I > turned to the cager behind me, pointed to the ground behind me, and motioned > her forward (palm up, curl fingers). She smiled, waved, pulled around me, > and ran the light. That's awesome. People always seem to give me excessive amounts of room when I'm stopped on the motorcycle. It makes little sense to me. On the ferry, especially, it's horrible. It is fun since that seems to be one thing guaranteed to make the ferry workers flip out. The lack of patience the workers have for people who leave excessive gaps is pretty amusing. --Matthew _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Bob Meyer-2
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In fairness, they also provided a number to call to get the sensor checked and adjusted.
When all is said an done, I suspect this "initiative" won't mean much one way or another. But anything that brings a positive perspective on motorcycles to government officials is better than nothing. ---- Doug Allis <dhallis@...> wrote: > I think this section says how much they care: > > Traffic lights that sometimes do not detect > smaller vehicles can present another challenge > for motorcyclists. > If a traffic light does not turn green within a reasonable > time period, and there is no approaching traffic > coming from behind, the motorcyclist should roll the > throttle on and off a few times, revving the engine. > The added power may be sufficient to disrupt the > electrical field. If not, turn the motorcycle off and > restart it. The electrical field created by the starter > should disrupt the sensor field and trigger the sensor. > If there seems to be a frequent problem at a specific > light, the motorcyclist may ask that a detector be > examined. > Yeah, I can see myself turning my bike off and restarting it a few times. What if all this doesn't work? From the sound of this, I bet I'd get a ticket going thru that light. > > > > > From: dave@...> To: dc-cycles@...> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:15:38 +0000> Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone seen this?> > I caught a report on wtop about a VA progrom "Motorcycle 411". > http://wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1440431> > Fearing another VSP boondoggle... Anytime I hear or see "safety campaign", I reflexively reach to protect my wallet :-/ > > Details were sketchy, so I dug around and found:> http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/motorcycle_safety_action_team.asp> > and the MAC website:> http://www.motorcycleva.com/index.cfm> > I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.> > Dave> > > > _______________________________________________> dc-cycles mailing list> dc-cycles@...> http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles -- Bob Meyer, #1157, Fairfax, Virginia '01 Candy Dark Red ST1100, "teSTarossa" Life is all about ass... You're either covering it, laughing it off, kicking it, kissing it, busting it, trying to get a piece of it, or behaving like one. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Bob Meyer-2
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In fairness, they also provided a number to call to get the sensor checked and adjusted.
When all is said an done, I suspect this "initiative" won't mean much one way or another. But anything that brings a positive perspective on motorcycles to government officials is better than nothing. ---- Doug Allis <dhallis@...> wrote: > I think this section says how much they care: > > Traffic lights that sometimes do not detect > smaller vehicles can present another challenge > for motorcyclists. > If a traffic light does not turn green within a reasonable > time period, and there is no approaching traffic > coming from behind, the motorcyclist should roll the > throttle on and off a few times, revving the engine. > The added power may be sufficient to disrupt the > electrical field. If not, turn the motorcycle off and > restart it. The electrical field created by the starter > should disrupt the sensor field and trigger the sensor. > If there seems to be a frequent problem at a specific > light, the motorcyclist may ask that a detector be > examined. > Yeah, I can see myself turning my bike off and restarting it a few times. What if all this doesn't work? From the sound of this, I bet I'd get a ticket going thru that light. > > > > > From: dave@...> To: dc-cycles@...> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:15:38 +0000> Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone seen this?> > I caught a report on wtop about a VA progrom "Motorcycle 411". > http://wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1440431> > Fearing another VSP boondoggle... Anytime I hear or see "safety campaign", I reflexively reach to protect my wallet :-/ > > Details were sketchy, so I dug around and found:> http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/motorcycle_safety_action_team.asp> > and the MAC website:> http://www.motorcycleva.com/index.cfm> > I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.> > Dave> > > > _______________________________________________> dc-cycles mailing list> dc-cycles@...> http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles > _________________________________________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@... > http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles -- Bob Meyer, #1157, Fairfax, Virginia '01 Candy Dark Red ST1100, "teSTarossa" Life is all about ass... You're either covering it, laughing it off, kicking it, kissing it, busting it, trying to get a piece of it, or behaving like one. _______________________________________________ dc-cycles mailing list dc-cycles@... http://dc-cycles.org/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/dc-cycles |
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Re: Anyone seen this?
by Bob Meyer-2
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I'd rather have people give me too much room than not enough!
Bob ---- Matthew Bafford <matthew.bafford@...> wrote: > > People always seem to give me excessive amounts of room when I'm > stopped on the motorcycle. It makes little sense to me. On the > ferry, especially, it's horrible. It is fun since that seems to be > one thing guaranteed to make the ferry workers flip out. The lack of > patience the workers have for people who leave excessive gaps is > pretty amusing. > > --Matthew > _______________________________________________ > dc-cycles mailing list > dc-cycles@ |
