And.. we have controversy

[Pocketkoi]

I was playing on the chaotic online demo earlier, and ran into a little trouble in interperting the rules.

my opponent belives that any creature can cast mugic at any time (ie a rellim casting song of resurgence in battle, then a laarina casting song of resurgence right after to heal rellim, effectivly allowing him to use all his collective mugic counters in one fight if he wishes)

but I doubt it works like so, we've been arguing and I wish to see which view is correct.

[Palin]

I'm confused about this too. The rules seem kinda vague when it comes to Mugic, but when I read them, I thought that as long as you had creatures from the right tribe that had enough mugic counters, you could use Mugic at any time. The rules don't appear to place any limits on when it can be used or who can use it (beyond tribal affiliation and mugic ability). I don't know if it'd be smart to use all of your mugic at once, but if you wanted to, I don't see why you couldn't.

[XxKalelxX]

Yeah i believe if you wanted to could use all your mugic at one time the rule is:
 Include one Mugic Card for each Creature in your deck. All
of your Mugic Cards are held in your hand throughout the
game. Mugic Cards are played by paying Mugic counters
from Creatures you control. There are Mugic Cards for each
Tribe, as well as “Generic Mugic” that can be used by any
Tribe.

  To play a Mugic Card, check if it has a tribal affiliation. If it does, then remove Mugic
counters from a Creature you control of the same Tribe equal to the number of Mugic
symbols on the card. If the Mugic Card is Generic, you may remove the appropriate
number of Mugic counters from a Creature of any Tribe.

 But until October nobody will know for sure...........

[khlieeq]

Can you use Mugic from different creatures or this it have to be from the active creature?

[Chaotic14s]

If you can use all creature counters in one turn then where the point of haveing a card game you can just used and make your energy like 100 so and then you will win so you can only use mugic counter when the creature is in combat.

[Pocketkoi]

thats what im asking, since the rules are quite vague in that matter

Though in the show they never show the use of mugic by another creature, nor does the rules exactly state when you can use mugic simply how so its a matter of major controversary (in that being able to use mugic at any point would dramatically change the game as opposed to only being able to use mugic equal to the currently engaged creature's counters)

A good argument for this is that it would simply break the game. Say for instince your in a large scale battle, say a 6v6 (though this example would be much more prominent in 15v15 and onward) putting creatures with high diciplines that usually don't have mugic counters in the front, and putting weak creatures with 2-3 counters in the rear, allows you effectivly allows cards like Kughar to reck havoc with solvis in the back healing him. If you push the line of schrimish well into your opponents base then they have no chance of taking out the weaker but more mugic potent creatures but eventually fail to those exact creatures shooting canons of casualties at their whim.

Thusly allowing you to have strong creatures aided by mugic, which is hardly fair in my head.

[Palin]

First and foremost, it's times like these I wish Dragonix hadn't fallen off the face of the earth after the demo decks came out. He could have settled this ages ago. But anyway...

Personally, I don't think the game would be better or worse either way; the strategies one would have to use would just be different. The more I think about it, it would probably be better if only the engaged creatures could cast mugic. However, I could think of quite a few ways to get around the scenario you presented. For one, you could run locations that make it harder to play mugic like Runic Grove, Glacier Plains, Eye of the Maelstrom, etc. Two, you could equip two of your front-liners with Skeletal Steeds (Equipped Creature gets Range and Swift 1), which you can use to bypass the opponent's front and wreak havoc among their support creatures. Three, it could never hurt to have cards like Refrain of Denial in your hand. And of course, if mugic really does work like that, you're probably going to run your battleteam the same way (I would, at least).

[Kerberos999]

 i think it can be removed from any creature because (others canadians will/should remember) in the scavenger scan episode peyton had a mipedian and an underworlder but he used (while battling with his UW creature) a mipedian mugic using the counter from his mipedian so if this doesnt back this up enough i dont what will besides the offical rulebook and yah when you read the rule book (printable one) you see how it says "remove the apporperite amout of counters from A creature you control" (or somthing like that) it never says remove the right ammount from the engaged creature

[Worlder]

Well apparently sent him an email, although it asked for him bring some developers here (hopefully Murakami). I hope he gets the thing.

We shall know for sure when the online game comes out. If it allows any then yeah.

[khlieeq]

Pocketkoi wrote:

thats what im asking, since the rules are quite vague in that matter

Though in the show they never show the use of mugic by another creature, nor does the rules exactly state when you can use mugic simply how so its a matter of major controversary (in that being able to use mugic at any point would dramatically change the game as opposed to only being able to use mugic equal to the currently engaged creature's counters)

A good argument for this is that it would simply break the game. Say for instince your in a large scale battle, say a 6v6 (though this example would be much more prominent in 15v15 and onward) putting creatures with high diciplines that usually don't have mugic counters in the front, and putting weak creatures with 2-3 counters in the rear, allows you effectivly allows cards like Kughar to reck havoc with solvis in the back healing him. If you push the line of schrimish well into your opponents base then they have no chance of taking out the weaker but more mugic potent creatures but eventually fail to those exact creatures shooting canons of casualties at their whim.

Thusly allowing you to have strong creatures aided by mugic, which is hardly fair in my head.

Yeah but then if the creatures were weak, you'd have to think about using the mugic. That Mugic could be what would keep them alive, so if you did it that way you're weaker creatures would let you down.

Maybe it's different for different cards or tribes, because I could see that happening for Danians. But until we have a proper rulebook...

[Neomatrix]

in the show yester day only the creature in battle used mugic 
thats allways how I played it but in 15 days or so we will know for sure but until then I think I can safely say that creature can only use mugic if in battle.

[Palin]

 Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to love the most about the real online game: it forces people to play by the rules. Nobody will have to argue with noobs when said noobs play illegal moves, because they won't be able to play those moves.

[Kerberos999]

yes you could do that and it may work but then you might not have any mugic left to heal later so youd be what i call mugic screwed which is term i made for when you run out of mugic long before your oppoentso i t does make sense and earlier today i saw and episode (over under rent asunder) and hecu-leon uses one of heptadds mugic counters to play a mugic that destroys taki nom's mugic even thought the engaged creature(crasectus) doesnt have any mugic counters

[XxKalelxX]

yes you are right in the printable rule book it states twice that to play a mugic card u have to have engough mugic to play it and it has to be the right tribe unless it is generic mugic...and any creature you control can pay for the mugic... to me any creature you control is every creature you have on the field 1, 3, 6, 9, ect.....

[Pocketkoi]

Yes I do look forward to the game decifering rules as opposed to double checking each move for cheating

[N.N.]

where online is the demo

[ChaoticJune27]

N.N. wrote:

where online is the demo

*sigh*,look here: http://www.nabble.com/Some-FAQ%27s-by-Chaotic-newbies-%7EPLEASE-READ-BEFORE-ASKING-QUESTIONS%7E--Version-3.9-tf4366809.html