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RE: [ebay] Warning : bad seller named c00lcollector

2008-10-07T07:31:06Z

Exactly.

Not only did he do nothing wrong but in fact you violated the auction
rules by not paying right away.

I can understand you're upset you didn't get what you wanted but if you
had followed the auction requirements (which you agreed to when you bid)
you would have the manual now.

I can't tell you how many times I have been told "I'll pay" and never
heard from someone again. You can't blame the guy for doing exactly what
he said he would and that certainly does not make him a bad seller or
trader.

Just my $80.02

Now that said the illustrations on this thing look great. Is there a
scanned version of this online somewhere? Easel Weasel indeed lol.

> Maybe he resold it because the term of sale in his auction stated.......
> full payment must be made upon auction close.
> Personally I think that's something that should be a buy it now condition
> but that's me, he did state it though in his auction.
>

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Re: Formant Synthesis

2008-10-07T04:55:12Z

Hi Steve

I have kept back an old posting, but don't know who was the original poster:
---------------------------snip-----------------------

While flipping through the old speech synthesis book I mentioned in my
previous post, I noticed a little table that might be useful and fun.
Here it is (view with monospaced font for best readability):

Typical Formant Frequencies of Some Vowel Frequencies (for a typical
male voice)

Phoneme "as in" F1 F2 F3
ee feet 250 2300 3000
i hid 375 2150 2800
eh head 550 1950 2600
ae had 700 1800 2550
ah tot 775 1100 2500
aw talk 575 900 2450
u took 425 1000 2400
oo tool 275 850 2400

F1, F2, and F3 represent the center frequencies of each formant. So, if
you've got 3 resonant bandpass filters, have fun!

--------------------------snip-----------------------------

Steven Barnes wrote:

> I'm trying to get some good AHHHHH sounds going, I have read the Sound
> on Sound article, but I could use some tips. I have a modest .com
> modular with a few MOTM filters, including the MOTM 410. An hour or so
> of knob tweaking has gotten me something almost sounding like an "A"
> vowel, but it isn't close enough. I am running the 3 bandpass outputs
> of the 410 into a mixer, and tweaking the relative volumes and
> frequencies by ear. Part of the problem is that I can't set exact
> frequencies.
>
> Other weapons in my arsenal include a Voyager + Moogerfoogers, which
> Amos said is good for vowel sounds. I could also dust off my Korg Z1,
> which I vaguely recall has a formant effect of some kind.
>
> -steve
>
>

Re: Even I don't like CS70's that much...

2008-10-07T03:37:11Z

It is simply too much: unless you are a collector and you're going to open a
museum, such an instrument and all the CS series become unusable for
everyday's work: what do you do when one IC will burn out , assumed that
there are no more spare parts around and even the instruments eligible for
cannibalization are becoming fewer every day?
M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Busby" <brent@...>
To: <analogue@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:21 AM
Subject: [AH] Even I don't like CS70's *that* much...

> Reminding me of the post I made awhile back regarding Yamaha analog
> *other* than the CS80, there is now a CS70 on eBay...for $10000.
>
> Damn. I guess you can set your price anywhere when there basically is
> no going rate... (I wouldn't pay that much for a modular!)
>
> --
> + Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
> + UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will
> + University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of
> + Physical Sciences Div. + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet,
> + James Franck Institute + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

Re: Good Synth Shop NYC?

2008-10-07T02:50:01Z

For what it's worth I saw a broken Moog Opus III at Rouge Music on display.
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Re: A New Oberheim?

2008-10-07T02:09:36Z

> Unfortunately the guy that did the videos below removed one of his videos
> from youtube, so now you can only see 15 minutes of his pointless meandering
> on only the black keys of his OB-2 instead of over 20 minutes of it like a
> few months ago. $1000 prize to anybody who can prove that in all of his
> videos he just once presses down on a white key.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Ct5CTqI-4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RExB2k3ac8s
>
> And to think Google paid $1.6 billion for this crap.
>
> -Elhardt

From the comments:
"so terrible.
you made it sound like a banjo. "

LOL....

Re: looking for Baldwin Electric Harpsichord samples

2008-10-07T01:57:00Z

On Oct 4, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Matthew Davidson wrote:
> ...and where would one FIND said sample set??

the second polymoog set i haven't put up anywhere, the first was
actually in the hi-res mp3 i posted to demonstrate the unit i put on
ebay, which didn't sell there but finally did a couple weeks ago.
it's still up at

http://www.mediafire.com/?pggzg4uonhy

mr hollow sun made a programme out of it for some sampler thing and
posted it here:

http://www.hollowsun.com/downloads/index.html

someone on the dubsounds polymoog forum complained that i had
recorded the audio out of the "mix" output instead of the "direct"
output, so i re-recorded it before i shipped it and i'll get that up
soon. i was also able to watch the clock while doing it this time and
i'm pretty sure each note is right at 10 seconds long now.
---
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stgsoundlabs.com

Re: A New Oberheim?

2008-10-07T01:47:29Z

ah, finally someone confirmed my news from Tom Oberheim.

if you didn't see, check out my small flickr gallery here:
http://flickr.com/photos/adeneko/sets/72157607769032170/

a couple of the pics are now also featured on the DSI site:
http://davesmithinstruments.com/news/index.php#aes_panel

FS: Frontpanels for UberSEM

2008-10-07T01:45:55Z

Hi,

while speaking of SEMs. I have taken James Husted's 19" SEM Panel
Design and made 4 panels of it. 3 of them are for sale if you are
interested.

Matrix Post: http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/10/diy-oberheim-sem-with-custom-patch.html
Flickr Set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jczmok/sets/72157604297688442/
my blog: http://janvanvolt.wordpress.com/2008/10/06/uber-sem-module/

Speaking of pricing, those are not el cheapo, as they are low-quantity
but extremely good silkscreen and thick 3mm aluminium.

For a total of 4 frontpanels i paid a total of 692 EUR (most of it for
silkscreening making), so per panel the price is roughly
173 EUR per panel (equals 233.525 USD and 256.610 CAD) excluding the
shipping.

Email me privately if interested.

cheers

jan

Re: Beginner Question Involving Safely Modifying Metal Synth Case

2008-10-07T01:44:33Z

On 2008-10-06 13:34 -0700, david l wrote:

> Anyway, I'm planning on doing a few more mods to (one of my)
> Korg 700s/K2s which will require me to drill some holes for ¼'
> outputs/inputs on the back. I'm worried about drilling these
> holes for 2 reasons:
>
> 1. The case is metal and I'm concerned with small metal
> shavings getting on the circuit board and shorting something.
> I could remove the circuit boards inside but I don't really
> want to. I was considering using a magnet and compressed air
> for the cleanup but I'm not sure if this is the best method.

When I have to do that, I use generous amounts of masking tape
around the hole and in the vicinity. Catches most of filings and
swarf.

> 2. I'm also concerned that the vibrations of the drill will
> do harm to the solder connections and other various
> components inside. I was thinking of bracing the synth
> against something sturdy so it doesn't vibrate too much but I
> don't have a clamp that strong or big.

You might want to invest in a stepped bit. Compared to ordinary
(cylindrical) bits, the drilling is smoother and the end result is
cleaner (i.e. no deformations or pentagonal holes).

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Even I don't like CS70's that much...

2008-10-07T01:21:03Z

Reminding me of the post I made awhile back regarding Yamaha analog
*other* than the CS80, there is now a CS70 on eBay...for $10000.

Damn. I guess you can set your price anywhere when there basically is
no going rate... (I wouldn't pay that much for a modular!)

--
+ Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
+ UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will
+ University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of
+ Physical Sciences Div. + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet,
+ James Franck Institute + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky

RE: [ebay] Warning : bad seller named c00lcollector

2008-10-06T22:31:41Z

Maybe he resold it because the term of sale in his auction stated.......
full payment must be made upon auction close.
Personally I think that's something that should be a buy it now condition
but that's me, he did state it though in his auction.

Have you contacted him? He had 6 to sell so may not have sold them all and
if he's an ok person I'm sure you could sort something out.

Understand your pissed but I don't know if the guy deserves a public bashing
in this case.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bapt [mailto:vrai_son@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2008 13:39
To: analogue@...
Subject: [AH] [ebay] Warning : bad seller named c00lcollector

Hi y'all,

I just wanted to let you know I experienced a very unfair practice from this
guy called Steve Lerner who is cOOlcollector on ebay, he was selling those
BUCHLA's Music Easel manuals on ebay last week.

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/09/buchla-music-easel-orig-manual.html

I won one of the 6 manuals ($80) received the invoice Friday October 3rd,
been out all the week-end and this morning, Monday October 6th, I was just
about to send the money with Paypal I received a message from the guy which
says :

I did not receive payment from you so the item has been relisted here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270283791526

I was shocked! Dude sold the same item twice, I've never seen something like
this. I keep having the same message in my ebay account that says "congrats
you just bought this item".

The guy relisted the manual at $99 (with a "buy it now" option), when I won
it for $80 3 days before!!!! It's just about the money, he got more money
but he lost his reputation!

No big deal but I wanted to let you know. Now you know.
cOOlcollector is very un-cool!

Cheers,

Baptiste

PS/ If someone has a manual for sale let me know and we'll work on a deal.

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New 10 step sequencer project

2008-10-06T21:15:10Z

Hi All

New MFOS ten step sequencer project you might like to check out.
http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth/TENSTEPSEQUENCER/TENSTEPSEQUENCER.php

Cheers all

Ray

RE: bringing an ARP 2600 up to spec, 2 questions...

2008-10-06T20:30:51Z

thanks alot, i was getting the infinite release at the VCF output, but have since found out that its normal. she's alive! thanks much.

> From: DWilSynth@...
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:04:05 -0400
> To: analogue@...
> Subject: [AH] bringing an ARP 2600 up to spec, 2 questions...
>
> >1-infinite release level at VCA. the ADSR seems to be functioning, and I
> >am getting gate voltage from the keyboard, as the ADSR will open and close
> >according to keyboard, but it doesn't seem to affect the infinite release
> >(i.e. constant ringing of note).
>
> Ah, the classic "I love my ARP 2600, but how do I make it stop?" question.
> Above the Voltage Controlled Amplifier is a slider called "Initial Gain".
> Slide this to
> the left, and keep it there.
>
> >2-VCO 3 has no pulse width control-I had just reassembled the synth for my =
> >last round of testing, so I haven't checked the actual pot(my first
> instinct),
> >but figured I'd throw this out now there as well, just in the off-chance
> that
> >these are common issues among 2600's.
>
> There is one opamp (LM 301) that does the pulse wave for VCO 3. If you are
> getting a pulse wave
> at all, it is probably working, and the pot may be screwed. If the waveform
> you are getting is not
> a pulse or square wave, replace the LM 301. (You can of course check the pot
> by measuring the
> voltage from the wiper to ground while sliding the pot to different
> positions. The voltage should change).
>
> The New England Synthesizer Museum "We're a Resource - Use Us! (tm)"
> David Hillel Wilson, Curator
> DWilSynth@...
> _www.synthmuseum.com/nesm_ (http://www.synthmuseum.com/nesm)
>
>
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Re: A New Oberheim?

2008-10-06T20:02:32Z

pick up your useless post of the day award on your way out

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Elhardt" <elhardt@...>
To: <analogue@...>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AH] A New Oberheim?

> Cary Roberts writes:
>>>PS: Obligatory OB Two Voice demo on youtube:<<
>
> Unfortunately the guy that did the videos below removed one of his videos
> from youtube, so now you can only see 15 minutes of his pointless
> meandering
> on only the black keys of his OB-2 instead of over 20 minutes of it like a
> few months ago. $1000 prize to anybody who can prove that in all of his
> videos he just once presses down on a white key.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Ct5CTqI-4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RExB2k3ac8s
>
> And to think Google paid $1.6 billion for this crap.
>
> -Elhardt
>

[ebay] Warning : bad seller named c00lcollector

2008-10-06T19:38:45Z

Hi y'all,

I just wanted to let you know I experienced a very unfair practice from this guy called Steve Lerner who is cOOlcollector on ebay, he was selling those BUCHLA's Music Easel manuals on ebay last week.

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/09/buchla-music-easel-orig-manual.html

I won one of the 6 manuals ($80) received the invoice Friday October 3rd, been out all the week-end and this morning, Monday October 6th, I was just about to send the money with Paypal I received a message from the guy which says :

I did not receive payment from you so the item has been relisted here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270283791526

I was shocked! Dude sold the same item twice, I've never seen something like this. I keep having the same message in my ebay account that says "congrats you just bought this item".

The guy relisted the manual at $99 (with a "buy it now" option), when I won it for $80 3 days before!!!! It's just about the money, he got more money but he lost his reputation!

No big deal but I wanted to let you know. Now you know.
cOOlcollector is very un-cool!

Cheers,

Baptiste

PS/ If someone has a manual for sale let me know and we'll work on a deal.

__________________________________

http://www.mpmsite.com
http://www.myspace.com/baptman
__________________________________

Re: A New Oberheim?

2008-10-06T19:35:48Z

Cary Roberts writes:
>>PS: Obligatory OB Two Voice demo on youtube:<<

Unfortunately the guy that did the videos below removed one of his videos
from youtube, so now you can only see 15 minutes of his pointless meandering
on only the black keys of his OB-2 instead of over 20 minutes of it like a
few months ago. $1000 prize to anybody who can prove that in all of his
videos he just once presses down on a white key.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Ct5CTqI-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RExB2k3ac8s

And to think Google paid $1.6 billion for this crap.

-Elhardt

Re: Tricked out 606 on Ebay

2008-10-06T19:23:09Z

Perverted indeed! That thing is over the top! As Obi Wan Kenobi said,
"that thing's more machine than man"...or something like that.

But you'd think for that price (and all that work) that they would've put
MIDI on there, haha...I suspect some sort of devotion to "principle" is
involved...

Frank

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Steven Taylor <steve@...> wrote:

> This thing is crazy
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250304549786
>
> It's a perverse level of modification... so I must be a pervert I guess.
>
> Steve
>

Re: Re: Arp Little Brother Schematic

2008-10-06T19:15:14Z

At 09:52 PM 10/6/2008, DWilSynth@... wrote:

Thanks, David! (And Shana Tova to you, if I may be so presumptive.)

That was my second guess, and it obviously should have been my first,
because it's a simpler method. (3 voltage-controlled lags? Am I crazy?)

The main reason I though it might not be the answer is that any
"misalignment" will result in discontinuities that generate unwanted
high frequency artifacts -- in the same way that precise alignment is
required to shape sawtooth waves into nice, pure triangles. I guess a
bit of high frequency hash isn't a big problem with buzzy saw waves.

If you feel like answering more questions, here are mine:
How clean are the Brass waves? (Have you ever 'scoped them?) Do the
wave shapes get disjointed as the synths age and drift out of calibration?

Could be a popular DIY project!

Cheers,
John

>The Little Brother/Explorer I produce sawtooth octaves in this way:
> After producing a one-octave lower square wave by the traditional
> CD 4024 binary divider, the original sawtooth wave is added to
> this square wave at just the right amplitude. This causes the
> second cycle of the original sawtooth to be raised up so
> it "continues" the first cycle, giving a 1 octave lower sawtooth.
> The process is then repeated for two more octaves. Fuzz is PWM by
> an Attack/Decay only (ADSR w/sustain = 0) envelope generator, while
> reed is a fixed width pulse wave resembling an oboe.
>
>I had actually designed a circuit that not only makes squares,
>pulses, and saws, but also triangles, and makes each octave
>available through a color (waveform) control copied from the
>ElectroComp 101 continuously variable waveform circuit. I called it
>the "PowerGirl Technologies Versatile Divider".
>
>Unfortunately, my friend who said he wants to build it and put it on the
>market is taking forever, so you might as well keep going and build
>your own. Oh well.
>
>The New England Synthesizer Museum "We're a Resource - Use Us! (tm)"
>David Hillel Wilson, Curator
>DWilSynth@...
>www.synthmuseum.com/nesm

bringing an ARP 2600 up to spec, 2 questions...

2008-10-06T19:04:05Z

>1-infinite release level at VCA. the ADSR seems to be functioning, and I
>am getting gate voltage from the keyboard, as the ADSR will open and close
>according to keyboard, but it doesn't seem to affect the infinite release
>(i.e. constant ringing of note).

Ah, the classic "I love my ARP 2600, but how do I make it stop?" question.
Above the Voltage Controlled Amplifier is a slider called "Initial Gain".
Slide this to
the left, and keep it there.

>2-VCO 3 has no pulse width control-I had just reassembled the synth for my =
>last round of testing, so I haven't checked the actual pot(my first
instinct),
>but figured I'd throw this out now there as well, just in the off-chance
that
>these are common issues among 2600's.

There is one opamp (LM 301) that does the pulse wave for VCO 3. If you are
getting a pulse wave
at all, it is probably working, and the pot may be screwed. If the waveform
you are getting is not
a pulse or square wave, replace the LM 301. (You can of course check the pot
by measuring the
voltage from the wiper to ground while sliding the pot to different
positions. The voltage should change).

The New England Synthesizer Museum "We're a Resource - Use Us! (tm)"
David Hillel Wilson, Curator
DWilSynth@...
_www.synthmuseum.com/nesm_ (http://www.synthmuseum.com/nesm)

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Re: Re: Arp Little Brother Schematic

2008-10-06T18:52:27Z

The Little Brother/Explorer I produce sawtooth octaves in this way:
After producing a one-octave lower square wave by the traditional CD 4024
binary divider, the
original sawtooth wave is added to this square wave at just the right
amplitude. This causes the
second cycle of the original sawtooth to be raised up so it "continues"
the first cycle, giving a 1 octave lower
sawtooth. The process is then repeated for two more octaves. Fuzz is PWM
by an Attack/Decay only
(ADSR w/sustain = 0) envelope generator, while reed is a fixed width pulse
wave resembling an oboe.

I had actually designed a circuit that not only makes squares, pulses, and
saws, but also triangles,
and makes each octave available through a color (waveform) control copied
from the ElectroComp 101
continuously variable waveform circuit. I called it the "PowerGirl
Technologies Versatile Divider".

Unfortunately, my friend who said he wants to build it and put it on the
market is taking forever, so you
might as well keep going and build your own. Oh well.

The New England Synthesizer Museum "We're a Resource - Use Us! (tm)"
David Hillel Wilson, Curator
DWilSynth@...
_www.synthmuseum.com/nesm_ (http://www.synthmuseum.com/nesm)

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Re: FS: Roland TR-909

2008-10-06T18:35:16Z

I really thought the same thing, that I would regret selling my
TR-909. But having used the d16 plugs for a few months, I really don't
miss it much. The one thing I miss is just sitting with it playing
around, but for actually work on songs, d16 kills for getting nice 909
sounds minus a ton of the hassles.

I know, I know. I slagged the Minimoog and the 909 in the same day
(which I am sure send me to some kind of hell), but I have really come
to love my trimmed down studio, and realized so much of my gear was
being kept for sentimental reasons, and a slight collectors fetish (ok
- it IS cool to have a real 909) not that I was making better music
owning it.

/m

On Oct 6, 2008, at 7:37 PM, m.j.kulengosky wrote:

> roland TR-909 that i'm thinking of putting on ebay. i know i'll
> regret it later but, hobbies seem to change. original manual,
> original power cord, roland rhythm dictionary.
>
> photos, etc. here:
>
> http://www.robotmuzak.com/ebay/roland_tr909.htm
>
> interested parties please feel free to drop me a line off-list.
>
> reasonable offers accepted.
>
> thanks.

Roland JX-8P - Internal photos?

2008-10-06T17:56:24Z

Does anybody have any internal photos of a JX-8P?

I have one in storage at the moment, I have a soft spot for the sound
despite its shortcomings and I'd never sell it.
But it's just too big to fit in my studio.

I'm wondering about rehousing the innards in a smaller box, has
anyone seen or done something similar?

S

FS: Roland TR-909

2008-10-06T17:37:38Z

roland TR-909 that i'm thinking of putting on ebay. i know i'll regret it
later but, hobbies seem to change. original manual, original power cord,
roland rhythm dictionary.

photos, etc. here:

http://www.robotmuzak.com/ebay/roland_tr909.htm

interested parties please feel free to drop me a line off-list.

reasonable offers accepted.

thanks.

Tricked out 606 on Ebay

2008-10-06T16:44:25Z

This thing is crazy

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250304549786

It's a perverse level of modification... so I must be a pervert I guess.

Steve

Re: A New Oberheim?

2008-10-06T16:32:40Z

On 6 Oct 2008, at 23:11, Scott Metzger wrote:

>
> I totally understand where you are coming from.. But warmth and
> tone are huge to me when it comes to inspiration.

Yeah it surely is to me as well, but the modern moogs and prophets
are warm and do have a nice tone by any comparison you care to make
to 99% of working synths out there :)
Yes possibly not as warm and nice as its possible to get like you
say... but i think the tradeoff based on our different preferences
leaves us in much the same position.

s

RE: A New Oberheim?

2008-10-06T15:11:42Z

I totally understand where you are coming from.. But warmth and tone are huge to me when it comes to inspiration.

I guess it reminds me of being back in my mothers womb, back in 79.

:)

And the SEM prices on Ebay are pretty out of control. Not sure if anyone checked lately, but I saw some high prices on ebay. Haven't checked completed auctions though. Would be nice if Tom re-released the sequencer too!

----------------------------------------

> From: steve@...
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:41:42 +0100
> To: analogue@...
> Subject: Re: [AH] A New Oberheim?
>
> Heheh well I don't know if you have a photographic memory for the
> gear people own... or it's just concidence Scott..
> But one thing I can say for sure is I'm able to get a lot more music
> finished with a Voyager and P08 in my studio than if I had an
> original Minimoog and Prophet 5 :)
>
> For me getting music finished is a lot more important than subtle
> differences in tone which frankly often get lost in the mix anyway.
>
> The sound *is* very important to me, which is why I'm not using
> plugins... but it's not the number one most important thing.
> The saving in time that modern synths offer and therefore the quicker
> I can get ideas down before I:
>
> forget them
> doubt them
> distort them
>
> Is a much bigger deal.
>
> S
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2008, at 20:21, Scott Metzger wrote:
>
>>
>> Well I don't think there has been one reissued synth that sounds
>> better than the original.
>>
>> Prophet 08 sounds better than a Prophet 5? Nope.
>>
>> Voyager sounds better than an original Minimoog original osc
>> board? Nope.
>>
>> Keep dreaming Steve.
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> From: steve@...
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:00:51 +0100
>>> To: analogue@...
>>> Subject: Re: [AH] A New Oberheim?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 Oct 2008, at 19:01, Scott Metzger wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is very cool news. I just hope it does sound identical, and
>>>> not close.
>>>
>>> I don't agree with you at all. I hope it sounds better ;-)
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>

Formant Synthesis

2008-10-06T15:07:05Z

I'm trying to get some good AHHHHH sounds going, I have read the Sound
on Sound article, but I could use some tips. I have a modest .com
modular with a few MOTM filters, including the MOTM 410. An hour or
so of knob tweaking has gotten me something almost sounding like an
"A" vowel, but it isn't close enough. I am running the 3 bandpass
outputs of the 410 into a mixer, and tweaking the relative volumes and
frequencies by ear. Part of the problem is that I can't set exact
frequencies.

Other weapons in my arsenal include a Voyager + Moogerfoogers, which
Amos said is good for vowel sounds. I could also dust off my Korg Z1,
which I vaguely recall has a formant effect of some kind.

-steve

Re: OT WTB Yamaha QX-3 or QX-5

2008-10-06T14:53:42Z

Ok, i'll take also a Roland MC300 / MC500 / anything else up to 8 Tracks
and some capacity.

Sry for wasting your time
Stef

On So, 2008-10-05 at 19:46 +0200, Stefan Rinass wrote:
> Subject says all, Europe & Bank-to-Bank Transfer preferred. Please make
> any offer.
>
> Many thanks!
> Stef
>
>

Re: FS: Polymoog Synthesizer Parts

2008-10-06T14:45:16Z

Since I've gotten quite a number of responses on this, let me clarify and
update.

* Yes, I take Paypal. I forgot to mention that, but these days that almost
doesn't even need to be said anymore.

* I had planned for years to extricate the 3 band resonantor section, both
the circuit board and front panel, and put them into a separate case, so
those parts of the Polymoog aren't for sale, nor is the power supply, which
as of yesterday is no longer putting out +15 volts after I moved the filter
env amt slider up, damn piece of crap Polymoog, it continues to break down
to the last minute. However, the individual filter boards for each preset
that reside on the resonantor PCB can be had for $5 each, not that they're
really useful for anything.

* The Moog Stickers have free mailing just as before. And I'm out of
Multimoog/Micromoog front and back side stickers. Everybody who ordered
some, they all were mailed out today. Thanks.

And to James Walker, there seems to be something wrong with your email as my
response to you isn't going through. As for the Preset Button panel, you're
second in line for that if the other person who asked about it first doesn't
want to buy it. Unless you're talking about the $4 faceplate, that's still
available.

-Elhardt

Re: A New Oberheim?

2008-10-06T14:41:42Z

Heheh well I don't know if you have a photographic memory for the
gear people own... or it's just concidence Scott..
But one thing I can say for sure is I'm able to get a lot more music
finished with a Voyager and P08 in my studio than if I had an
original Minimoog and Prophet 5 :)

For me getting music finished is a lot more important than subtle
differences in tone which frankly often get lost in the mix anyway.

The sound *is* very important to me, which is why I'm not using
plugins... but it's not the number one most important thing.
The saving in time that modern synths offer and therefore the quicker
I can get ideas down before I:

forget them
doubt them
distort them

Is a much bigger deal.

S

On 6 Oct 2008, at 20:21, Scott Metzger wrote:

>
> Well I don't think there has been one reissued synth that sounds
> better than the original.
>
> Prophet 08 sounds better than a Prophet 5? Nope.
>
> Voyager sounds better than an original Minimoog original osc
> board? Nope.
>
> Keep dreaming Steve.
>
> :)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: steve@...
>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:00:51 +0100
>> To: analogue@...
>> Subject: Re: [AH] A New Oberheim?
>>
>>
>> On 6 Oct 2008, at 19:01, Scott Metzger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This is very cool news. I just hope it does sound identical, and
>>> not close.
>>
>> I don't agree with you at all. I hope it sounds better ;-)
>>
>> S
>>

Re: A New Oberheim?

2008-10-06T14:15:29Z

>That would be fantastic! Still quite probably the best analogue module
>design ever. Maybe it could be sold in a form that was even easier than the
>original to patch out, very easily convertable into a (4 or 5U?) 19-inch
>format with space on left or right (or either side) for panels with the
>end-user's (or third-party designer's) patching choice.

Tom said it's a clone of the original save for two things - a few parts have
changed due to sourcing issues and that there will be rudimentary CV/gate
control over MIDI. He did not say whether or not there would be pitchbend
or any control over filter via MIDI.

Based on his statements I would not expect a 5U patched out SEM. I would
not expect fancy MIDI control of resonance, filter, or VCA. The unit will
not have presets nor be adaptable to such. (The programmer on the 4/8 voice
Oberheims contained their own envelope generators)

So I'm dissappointed. Why?

- It's the same thing as the old SEM. You can by loose SEMs on ebay for
$500-750. He's unlikely to be able to meet that price point. Especially
not if he keeps the oscillator tuning pots and has to put it in a full
enclosure with power supply and MIDI.

- He's not addressing any of the shortcomings of the original: Only one
modulation source routable to the VCF and single LFO waveshape. No noise.
No sample and hold. No VC control (even when patched out) of envelope
generator parameters.

- He should have had Dave Smith lend a hand and use the same PIC code from
the Mopho to do computer generated envelopes and LFO. This would allow beat
synced LFO, sample and hold, velocity modulation of envelope parameters, and
good MIDI implementation.

The good news? If the oscillator and filter stay the same it'll kick the
ass of any recent Dave Smith design. Sorry but that complete voice in a
single Curtis IC doesn't do it for me.

These are just my thoughts. Take them with the same grain of salt as any
other synth geek who owns over a dozen SEMs.

-Cary

PS: Obligatory OB Two Voice demo on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yFMbd1LLYA

PPS: Roger Linn briefly (<2sec) showed a pic of the new Linndrum. Looks
pretty sweet. x86 based? Looks like a mini-itx mobo to me.

Re: Beginner Question Involving Safely Modifying Metal Synth Case

2008-10-06T13:52:08Z

I was guessing I should. Fortunately, it's a small synth but I wanted a AH
consensus before embarking on this endeavor..

-David

Re: Beginner Question Involving Safely Modifying Metal Synth Case

2008-10-06T13:50:16Z

You really should take the whole thing apart before drilling. You would not want a piece of scrap shorting out a circuit.

--- On Mon, 10/6/08, david l <greyplaid@...> wrote:
From: david l <greyplaid@...>
Subject: [AH] Beginner Question Involving Safely Modifying Metal Synth Case
To: analogue@...
Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 4:34 PM

Greetings,

I really hope you don't mind me asking such a beginner questions.
Sometimes I feel quite dense among the many technicians and skilled DIYers
on this list. I have a question though which I'm sure somebody has
experience with. You can either answer this post (for future generations)
or, if there's a tutorial about such things online, a link will be fine as
well. Of course, there's always the option of ignoring this post
altogether..

Anyway, I'm planning on doing a few more mods to (one of my) Korg 700s/K2s
which will require me to drill some holes for ¼' outputs/inputs on the
back.
I'm worried about drilling these holes for 2 reasons:

1. The case is metal and I'm concerned with small metal shavings getting
on the circuit board and shorting something. I could remove the circuit
boards inside but I don't really want to. I was considering using a
magnet
and compressed air for the cleanup but I'm not sure if this is the best
method.
2. I'm also concerned that the vibrations of the drill will do harm to
the solder connections and other various components inside. I was thinking
of bracing the synth against something sturdy so it doesn't vibrate too
much
but I don't have a clamp that strong or big.

Thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks for everyone's time..

-David

Beginner Question Involving Safely Modifying Metal Synth Case

2008-10-06T13:34:20Z

Greetings,

I really hope you don't mind me asking such a beginner questions.
Sometimes I feel quite dense among the many technicians and skilled DIYers
on this list. I have a question though which I'm sure somebody has
experience with. You can either answer this post (for future generations)
or, if there's a tutorial about such things online, a link will be fine as
well. Of course, there's always the option of ignoring this post
altogether..

Anyway, I'm planning on doing a few more mods to (one of my) Korg 700s/K2s
which will require me to drill some holes for ¼' outputs/inputs on the back.
I'm worried about drilling these holes for 2 reasons:

1. The case is metal and I'm concerned with small metal shavings getting
on the circuit board and shorting something. I could remove the circuit
boards inside but I don't really want to. I was considering using a magnet
and compressed air for the cleanup but I'm not sure if this is the best
method.
2. I'm also concerned that the vibrations of the drill will do harm to
the solder connections and other various components inside. I was thinking
of bracing the synth against something sturdy so it doesn't vibrate too much
but I don't have a clamp that strong or big.

Thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks for everyone's time..

-David

RE: A New Oberheim?

2008-10-06T13:21:24Z

There is a huge difference. Have you even ever compared an early OSC board Minimoog to a Voyager? I have and the original sounds way better in terms of tone and warmth.

Sure that might be my opinion, but I trust my ears and stand by it.

----------------------------------------

> From: zurich.enteract@...
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:50:31 -0500
> To: analogue@...
> Subject: Re: [AH] A New Oberheim?
>
> I think that is totally a matter of opinion.
>
> Why do you think the originals sound better? Maybe they sound better
> to you, but I don't understand why this would be the case for everyone.
>
> I personally don't gush over the sound of either original Minimoog or
> Voyager. Ok - they are way bassy, but when I have used minis in the
> past I had to EQ them to death as they sucked up every inch of space
> in the mix.
>
> As for the Prophet 5 vs 8, I don't prefer one or the other - they are
> different, but honestly for the type of sounds I am going for, the 08
> is actually better for me. I found the original P5's dull and lacking
> presence (I assume you call this warmth).
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> /m
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Scott Metzger wrote:
>
>>
>> Well I don't think there has been one reissued synth that sounds
>> better than the original.
>>
>> Prophet 08 sounds better than a Prophet 5? Nope.
>>
>> Voyager sounds better than an original Minimoog original osc
>> board? Nope.
>>
>> Keep dreaming Steve.
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> From: steve@...
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:00:51 +0100
>>> To: analogue@...
>>> Subject: Re: [AH] A New Oberheim?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 Oct 2008, at 19:01, Scott Metzger wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is very cool news. I just hope it does sound identical, and
>>>> not close.
>>>
>>> I don't agree with you at all. I hope it sounds better ;-)
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>

Nabble - Analogue Heaven

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FS: Frontpanels for UberSEM

Re: Beginner Question Involving Safely Modifying Metal Synth Case

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RE: [ebay] Warning : bad seller named c00lcollector

New 10 step sequencer project

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Re: FS: Roland TR-909

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RE: A New Oberheim?

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