An idea from a grandma in the outback!

[Yolanthe]

 
Dear Readers and programmers,

Simple stuff really and it has to remain very simple indeed for grandmas like me. There is OneNote 2007 that I do use all the time, so I wonder if that can be included or all people to use?

There is the fact that out in the middle of the bush (I live in W Australia) people can use it without being on the internet? Evernote does not do that so if I want to send it to a grandson in Mt Keith he cannot start Evernote or OneNote either. There are people who need grandmas to give them programs they can use beyond the black stump!

Regards from Yolanthe

violtjes@...

[Jonathan Kaye-2]

Yolanthe wrote:

>  
> Dear Readers and programmers,
>
> Simple stuff really and it has to remain very simple indeed for grandmas
> like me. There is OneNote 2007 that I do use all the time, so I wonder if
> that can be included or all people to use?
>
> There is the fact that out in the middle of the bush (I live in W
> Australia) people can use it without being on the internet? Evernote does
> not do that so if I want to send it to a grandson in Mt Keith he cannot
> start Evernote or OneNote either. There are people who need grandmas to
> give them programs they can use beyond the black stump!
>
> Regards from Yolanthe
>
> violtjes@...

Reply from a grandpa in NE Spain:
Hi Yolanthe,
I had never heard of OneNote 2007 but I did a google and it seems to be a
Microsoft product which means:
1. You have to be running MS Windows, which many of us are not (way too
complicated for an old geezer like me).
2. You have to pay lots of money for it so I don't think Microsoft would
appreciate someone giving it away. There are plenty of editors (if that's
what OneNote is) that can be used without being connected to the internet
and they are available for any platform (not just MSWindows) and they are
free (as in beer and as in speech).

If you like OneNote then I say, "good on ya"  and keep using it, but you can
see it's not for everybody.
Cheers,
Jonathan
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[Harold Fuchs-2]

2008/7/18 Yolanthe <violtjes@...>:

>
> Dear Readers and programmers,
>
> Simple stuff really and it has to remain very simple indeed for grandmas
> like me. There is OneNote 2007 that I do use all the time, so I wonder if
> that can be included or all people to use?
>
> There is the fact that out in the middle of the bush (I live in W
> Australia) people can use it without being on the internet? Evernote does
> not do that so if I want to send it to a grandson in Mt Keith he cannot
> start Evernote or OneNote either. There are people who need grandmas to give
> them programs they can use beyond the black stump!
>
> Regards from Yolanthe
>
> violtjes@...

First, OneNote is a Microsoft product and is not free. Evernote doesn't seem
to be free either.

OpenOffice is free but it might be too complicated for you even though there
are many grandmas using it. I know because several of them help out in this
support group answering questions the callow youths are too thick to work
out for themselves - no common sense these days! Just to prove the point,
even though I'm not a grandma, I did have my first e-mail address in 1979.

It depends on what you want to do. Windows comes with Wordpad which is a
simple program for creating documents that can be quite pretty. It can
easily be used for note taking. Wordpad documents can easily be printed and
attached to e-mails that most people will be able to open. You can find
Wordpad via Start>All Programs>Accessories>Wordpad.

OpenOffice is a complete "office suite". Even though it's completely free it
competes quite happily with Microsoft Office. If you are interested you can
read about it by going to www.openoffice.org and then clicking on "I want to
learn more about OpenOffice.org".

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[Yolanthe]

Dear Harold.
First thanks for answering.  I just think that because OpenOffice is so popular the to create OfineOneNote might be gratefully accepted by a lot of students too.  OpenDraw is great instead of Publisher or PowerPoint.  It works well for me!  OneNote is good if you are just noting down thoughts for there us no saving at all and you do not forget important things, www pages etc.  I just thought that you wanted ideas as well from users like me too!
It is strange but when my daughter was born in Holland the TandyII came on the market and that was in 1978, so email was not around then so I presume you meant to say 1988?  
My ex-husband was working in the Silicon Valley in 1974 and installed the massive computer for the ANWB in De Hague.  The computer is not new to me!  Did some programming in Cobol, Fortran, then Pascal.  I have forgotten most of it but if you need a bit of help I could be helpful!  
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  2008/7/18 Yolanthe <violtjes@...>:


    Dear Readers and programmers,

    Simple stuff really and it has to remain very simple indeed for grandmas like me. There is OneNote 2007 that I do use all the time, so I wonder if that can be included or all people to use?

    There is the fact that out in the middle of the bush (I live in W Australia) people can use it without being on the internet? Evernote does not do that so if I want to send it to a grandson in Mt Keith he cannot start Evernote or OneNote either. There are people who need grandmas to give them programs they can use beyond the black stump!

    Regards from Yolanthe

    violtjes@...

  First, OneNote is a Microsoft product and is not free. Evernote doesn't seem to be free either.

  OpenOffice is free but it might be too complicated for you even though there are many grandmas using it. I know because several of them help out in this support group answering questions the callow youths are too thick to work out for themselves - no common sense these days! Just to prove the point, even though I'm not a grandma, I did have my first e-mail address in 1979.


  It depends on what you want to do. Windows comes with Wordpad which is a simple program for creating documents that can be quite pretty. It can easily be used for note taking. Wordpad documents can easily be printed and attached to e-mails that most people will be able to open. You can find Wordpad via Start>All Programs>Accessories>Wordpad.

  OpenOffice is a complete "office suite". Even though it's completely free it competes quite happily with Microsoft Office. If you are interested you can read about it by going to www.openoffice.org and then clicking on "I want to learn more about OpenOffice.org".

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[Jonathon Blake]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Yolanthe  wrote:

> Simple stuff really and it has to remain very simple indeed for grandmas like me. There is OneNote 2007 that I do use all the time, so I wonder if that can be included or all people to use?

The short, but incorrect answer is "no".
The long, but equally incorrect answer is "yes".

OneNote is merely a database application.  As such, one could use the
built in database component, Base.  However, doing so requires one to
construct both the database, and some macros for retrieving data, or
adding data to it.

I was going to suggest using Roberto Benietize' _Database Programming
using OpenOffice.org Base & Basic_ but I cant' find it at lulu.com.
:(

xan

jonathon

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[Harold Fuchs-2]

2008/7/21 Yolanthe <violtjes@...>:

>
> Dear Harold.


<snip>

>
> It is strange but when my daughter was born in Holland the TandyII came on
> the market and that was in 1978, so email was not around then so I presume
> you meant to say 1988?


No. 1979. We used it worldwide within  the company for which I worked and I
could send and receive (printed only) messages on a "portable" (20lbs, 9kg)
device on my dining room table. It was the main method of comunication
within the company. I could walk into any of my company's offices or any of
my client's offices around the world and, using their equipment, send and
receive e-mails including attachments. In about 1982 a company in Italy
built a smaller version of that portable device into a Gucci leather
briefcase; the company tried to sell this to companies employing upmarket
travelling salespeople for taking orders and so on via a modified version of
that same e-mail system.

<snip>



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[NoOp-4]

On 07/21/2008 01:29 AM, Jonathan Kaye wrote:

> Yolanthe wrote:
>
>>  
>> Dear Readers and programmers,
>>
>> Simple stuff really and it has to remain very simple indeed for grandmas
>> like me. There is OneNote 2007 that I do use all the time, so I wonder if
>> that can be included or all people to use?
>>
>> There is the fact that out in the middle of the bush (I live in W
>> Australia) people can use it without being on the internet? Evernote does
>> not do that so if I want to send it to a grandson in Mt Keith he cannot
>> start Evernote or OneNote either. There are people who need grandmas to
>> give them programs they can use beyond the black stump!
>>
>> Regards from Yolanthe
>>
>> violtjes@...
> Reply from a grandpa in NE Spain:
> Hi Yolanthe,
> I had never heard of OneNote 2007 but I did a google and it seems to be a
> Microsoft product which means:

Out of curiosity I checked for it at:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/default.aspx
and got back the following:

<quote>
One Moment Please...

To help optimize how your Web pages are displayed, we are checking to
see if a 2007 Microsoft Office program is installed.

If this page does not automatically redirect, you have scripts disabled.
See more information on scripts.

Follow this link if the page is not redirected.
</quote>

And of course even the "Follow this link" doesn't work. Even tried:
http://office.microsoft.com/

I could only get to the link if cookies were turned on.
But then I get a red warning on the page:
"Warning: This site requires the use of scripts, which your browser does
not currently allow. See how to enable scripts." and a page of:
How did you get here?

You have arrived at this page because you selected an item that is
available only if you have a 2007 Microsoft Office suite or other 2007
Microsoft Office System program installed.
Did you arrive here by mistake?
You have not enabled an ActiveX control
Your Active X control may be blocked
Using a browser that is not ActiveX enabled

Jeesh... That pretty much say's it all.





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[Harold Fuchs-2]

2008/7/24 NoOp <glgxg@...>:

<snip>

>
> > I had never heard of OneNote 2007 but I did a google and it seems to be a
> > Microsoft product which means:
>
> Out of curiosity I checked for it at:
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/default.aspx
> and got back the following:
>
> <quote>
> One Moment Please...
>
> To help optimize how your Web pages are displayed, we are checking to
> see if a 2007 Microsoft Office program is installed.
>
> If this page does not automatically redirect, you have scripts disabled.
> See more information on scripts.
>
> Follow this link if the page is not redirected.
> </quote>
>
> And of course even the "Follow this link" doesn't work. Even tried:
> http://office.microsoft.com/
>
> I could only get to the link if cookies were turned on.
> But then I get a red warning on the page:
> "Warning: This site requires the use of scripts, which your browser does
> not currently allow. See how to enable scripts." and a page of:
> How did you get here?
>
> You have arrived at this page because you selected an item that is
> available only if you have a 2007 Microsoft Office suite or other 2007
> Microsoft Office System program installed.
> Did you arrive here by mistake?
> You have not enabled an ActiveX control
> Your Active X control may be blocked
> Using a browser that is not ActiveX enabled
>
> Jeesh... That pretty much say's it all.
>

What system are you using? I'm on Win XP Pro/SP2 using Firefox 2.0.0.16. I
do not have any version of MS Office installed but I do have Active X and
cookies enabled on a "warn me" basis and a tightly contolled "white list". I
got straight to the site you mentioned.


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[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 24 July 2008 08:21:22 Harold Fuchs wrote:

> 2008/7/24 NoOp <glgxg@...>:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > I had never heard of OneNote 2007 but I did a google and it seems to be
> > > a Microsoft product which means:
> >
> > Out of curiosity I checked for it at:
> > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/default.aspx
> > and got back the following:
> >
> > <quote>
> > One Moment Please...
> >
> > To help optimize how your Web pages are displayed, we are checking to
> > see if a 2007 Microsoft Office program is installed.
> >
> > If this page does not automatically redirect, you have scripts disabled.
> > See more information on scripts.
> >
> > Follow this link if the page is not redirected.
> > </quote>
> >
> > And of course even the "Follow this link" doesn't work. Even tried:
> > http://office.microsoft.com/
> >
> > I could only get to the link if cookies were turned on.
> > But then I get a red warning on the page:
> > "Warning: This site requires the use of scripts, which your browser does
> > not currently allow. See how to enable scripts." and a page of:
> > How did you get here?
> >
> > You have arrived at this page because you selected an item that is
> > available only if you have a 2007 Microsoft Office suite or other 2007
> > Microsoft Office System program installed.
> > Did you arrive here by mistake?
> > You have not enabled an ActiveX control
> > Your Active X control may be blocked
> > Using a browser that is not ActiveX enabled
> >
> > Jeesh... That pretty much say's it all.
>
> What system are you using? I'm on Win XP Pro/SP2 using Firefox 2.0.0.16. I
> do not have any version of MS Office installed but I do have Active X and
> cookies enabled on a "warn me" basis and a tightly contolled "white list".
> I got straight to the site you mentioned.

I have Debian Lenny GNU/Linux with nary a Microsoft product in sight, and not
a sniff of ActiveX.  And I use Konqueror as my default web-browser.  
Moreover, I refused all cookies from this site.  I had no problems at all
either with connecting to the site mentioned or with clicking through to
OneNote.

Lisi

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[Alan Lord-4]

Lisi Reisz wrote:
<snip />
>>>> I had never heard of OneNote 2007 but I did a google and it seems to be
>>>> a Microsoft product which means:
>>> Out of curiosity I checked for it at:
>>> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/default.aspx
>>> and got back the following:
<snip />

>> What system are you using? I'm on Win XP Pro/SP2 using Firefox 2.0.0.16. I
>> do not have any version of MS Office installed but I do have Active X and
>> cookies enabled on a "warn me" basis and a tightly contolled "white list".
>> I got straight to the site you mentioned.
>
> I have Debian Lenny GNU/Linux with nary a Microsoft product in sight, and not
> a sniff of ActiveX.  And I use Konqueror as my default web-browser.  
> Moreover, I refused all cookies from this site.  I had no problems at all
> either with connecting to the site mentioned or with clicking through to
> OneNote.
>
> Lisi

I just went there on a regular Ubuntu 8.04 with Firefox 8.04. No issues
viewing the site or clicking through to OneNote. Must say I don't often
go to their site though... Have no need to.

Al

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[Alan Lord-4]

Alan Lord wrote:
<snip />
> I just went there on a regular Ubuntu 8.04 with Firefox 8.04. No issues
> viewing the site or clicking through to OneNote. Must say I don't often
> go to their site though... Have no need to.
>

Of course I meant to write Firefox 3. Doh...

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[NoOp-4]

On 07/24/2008 12:21 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> 2008/7/24 NoOp <glgxg@...>:
[snip]

>>
>> You have arrived at this page because you selected an item that is
>> available only if you have a 2007 Microsoft Office suite or other 2007
>> Microsoft Office System program installed.
>> Did you arrive here by mistake?
>> You have not enabled an ActiveX control
>> Your Active X control may be blocked
>> Using a browser that is not ActiveX enabled
>>
>> Jeesh... That pretty much say's it all.
>>
>
> What system are you using? I'm on Win XP Pro/SP2 using Firefox 2.0.0.16. I
> do not have any version of MS Office installed but I do have Active X and
> cookies enabled on a "warn me" basis and a tightly contolled "white list". I
> got straight to the site you mentioned.
>
>

Figured it out... MS doesn't like it when you do not have javascript
turned on.

I like the bit about:
>> One Moment Please...
>>
>> To help optimize how your Web pages are displayed, we are checking to
>> see if a 2007 Microsoft Office program is installed.

So if they can't sniff you they don't want you on their site. Reminds me
of this:

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp
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[Michelle Konzack-2]

Hi Lisi,

Am 2008-07-24 17:38:20, schrieb Lisi Reisz:
> I have Debian Lenny GNU/Linux with nary a Microsoft product in sight, and not
> a sniff of ActiveX.  And I use Konqueror as my default web-browser.  
> Moreover, I refused all cookies from this site.  I had no problems at all
> either with connecting to the site mentioned or with clicking through to
> OneNote.

I am using Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Sarge on my TP570 and can not connect...
The site refuse me by using Mozilla.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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[Michelle Konzack-2]

Am 2008-07-24 19:02:11, schrieb NoOp:
> Figured it out... MS doesn't like it when you do not have javascript
> turned on.

Hmmm, I have JavaScript enabled but it seems, The Website doe snot like
my Browser:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20070113 Debian/1.7.8-1sarge10

Changeing this to an IE sting works.

> http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp
> [An epic Bill Gates e-mail rant - actual email from Bill trying to
> download and install Movie Maker]

:-)

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