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Alternative Formats

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Would alternative formats fall under the category of web
accessibility?
Sincerely,
Ryan Jean
Assistant IT Specialist
The Disability Network
Flint,
MI
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Re: Alternative Formats
> Would
alternative formats fall under the category of web accessibility?
In my opinion, in general, yes.
1. For example, many consider text alternative
to non-text content to be an alternative format of the same content. That
is the fundamental basis of WCAG 2.0 Guideline 1.1 - read more about understanding
text alternatives at http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/text-equiv.html
2. And many consider making content available
in multiple FILE formats as a valid and useful technique for making web
content or applications accessible to more people, independent of disability.
We should probably ask you to expand your questions to be more explicit
- as in
Alternative
(file?) formats (of what? content) fall under the category of web accessibility
(WCAG or 508 standards)?
For example, PDF file format of content
could be made directly accessible (compliant with technical standards)
with tagging and such, but also by making (providing an alternative format)
the content available in another format - such as accessible HTML format.
Another example is making PowerPoint (PPT) documents posted on web
sites available in an alternative format such as Rich Text Format (RTF).
Interestingly, the term "file formats"
is not explicitly discussed in either the WCAG Techniques [2] or Understanding
[1] documents. probably something we should send to the editors.
The theory or principle is that the
'guidelines' apply to any and all file formats (also referred to as technologies),
whether they be HTML, SMIL, PDF, RTF, etc. and the 'techniques' apply to
specific file format or technologies. So the long held notion that
a particular file format is or isn't accessible has been omitted from the
documents by the more academic approach of "provid[ing]
the basic goals that authors should work toward in order to make content
more accessible to users with different disabilities." [WCAG 2.0 Guidelines
definition Note 3].
And, because we often confuse the "policy"
from the "technical standard" and that WCAG 2.0 is a technical
standard and not a policy, we need to make provisions in the policies for
the anomalies for problems in the technical standards that occur with different
or competing file formats. For example, one file format may have
a way (capability) for marking up language different from the base document
while another file format may not (or not yet) have that capability. So
depending on which way one is converting formats, you end up with different
policy decisions. If I have a document in a format that doesn't support
language tags, but convert it to a document that does support language
tags, is it compliant or not without the language tags being added? If
the document (or content) was in a format that provided language tags and
gets converted into a format that doesn't have the capability, is it less
accessible (less compliant) with the technical standard? And then when
you have a document that doesn't have different languages in the same document
or file or page - does it matter? Are not both file formats of the
same content just as compliant with the technical standards? The
debate often slips back into the "file format wars", where you
hear automatic assumptions that HTML is more accessible than 'pick-your-other-file-format',
or not as widely supported by blah blah blah, or whatever.
The point I'm getting to is that neither
WCAG, 508, or any of the other "standards" really address which
file formats are better or worse alternatives to the other - they really
only address if the particular file format of the particular content is
complaint or not with the particular set of technical provisions (guidelines)
- and in my opinion should probably stay that way to avoid getting into
policy decisions and anti-innovations issues.
Regards,
Phill Jenkins
IBM Research - Human Ability & Accessibility Center
http://www.ibm.com/able
1 Understanding WCAG 2.0
http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/
2.Techniques for WCAG 2.0
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/
3 WCAG 2.0 requirements
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/
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RE: Alternative Formats

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I like that. Very thought provoking. I was
referring to all formats, such as visual, audio, and written. I do see where
all 3 of these would fall into web accessibility. Visual for graphics, audio
for sound, and written for downloading files as PDF or TXT. Do you agree?
Sincerely,
Ryan Jean
Assistant IT Specialist
The Disability Network
Flint, MI
From: Phill Jenkins
[mailto:pjenkins@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008
5:51 PM
To: Ryan Jean
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@...
Subject: Re: Alternative Formats
> Would alternative formats fall under the category of web accessibility?
In
my opinion, in general, yes.
1.
For example, many consider text alternative to non-text content to be an
alternative format of the same content. That is the fundamental basis of WCAG
2.0 Guideline 1.1 - read more about understanding text alternatives at http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/text-equiv.html
2. And
many consider making content available in multiple FILE formats as a valid and
useful technique for making web content or applications accessible to more
people, independent of disability. We should probably ask you to expand
your questions to be more explicit - as in
Alternative (file?) formats (of what? content) fall under
the category of web accessibility (WCAG or 508 standards)?
For
example, PDF file format of content could be made directly accessible
(compliant with technical standards) with tagging and such, but also by making
(providing an alternative format) the content available in another format -
such as accessible HTML format. Another example is making PowerPoint
(PPT) documents posted on web sites available in an alternative format such as
Rich Text Format (RTF).
Interestingly,
the term "file formats" is not explicitly discussed in either the
WCAG Techniques [2] or Understanding [1] documents. probably something we
should send to the editors.
The
theory or principle is that the 'guidelines' apply to any and all file formats
(also referred to as technologies), whether they be HTML, SMIL, PDF, RTF, etc.
and the 'techniques' apply to specific file format or technologies. So
the long held notion that a particular file format is or isn't accessible has
been omitted from the documents by the more academic approach of "provid[ing]
the basic goals that authors should work toward in order to make content more
accessible to users with different disabilities." [WCAG 2.0 Guidelines
definition Note 3].
And,
because we often confuse the "policy" from the "technical
standard" and that WCAG 2.0 is a technical standard and not a policy, we
need to make provisions in the policies for the anomalies for problems in the
technical standards that occur with different or competing file formats. For
example, one file format may have a way (capability) for marking up language
different from the base document while another file format may not (or not yet)
have that capability. So depending on which way one is converting
formats, you end up with different policy decisions. If I have a document
in a format that doesn't support language tags, but convert it to a document
that does support language tags, is it compliant or not without the language
tags being added? If the document (or content) was in a format that
provided language tags and gets converted into a format that doesn't have the
capability, is it less accessible (less compliant) with the technical standard?
And then when you have a document that doesn't have different languages in the
same document or file or page - does it matter? Are not both file formats
of the same content just as compliant with the technical standards? The
debate often slips back into the "file format wars", where you hear
automatic assumptions that HTML is more accessible than
'pick-your-other-file-format', or not as widely supported by blah blah blah, or
whatever.
The
point I'm getting to is that neither WCAG, 508, or any of the other
"standards" really address which file formats are better or worse
alternatives to the other - they really only address if the particular file format
of the particular content is complaint or not with the particular set of
technical provisions (guidelines) - and in my opinion should probably stay that
way to avoid getting into policy decisions and anti-innovations issues.
Regards,
Phill Jenkins
IBM Research - Human
Ability & Accessibility Center
http://www.ibm.com/able
1
Understanding WCAG 2.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/
2.Techniques
for WCAG 2.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/
3
WCAG 2.0 requirements http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/
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RE: Alternative Formats
> .
. . I was referring to all formats, such as visual, audio, and written.
I do see where all 3
> of these would fall into
web accessibility. Visual for graphics, audio for sound, and
> written for downloading
files as PDF or TXT. Do you agree?
Well, I would expand your simple list
to also include the following, quoted from Understand WCAG:
- Controls, Input: If non-text content
is a control or accepts user input, then it has a name
that describes its purpose. (Refer to Guideline
4.1 for additional requirements
for controls and content that accepts user input.)
- Time-Based Media: If non-text content
is time-based media, then text alternatives at least provide descriptive
identification of the non-text content. (Refer to Guideline
1.2 for additional requirements
for media.)
- Test: If non-text content is a test
or exercise that must
be presented in non-text format,
then text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content.
- Sensory: If non-text content is primarily
intended to create a specific
sensory experience, then text alternatives
at least provide descriptive identification of the non-text content.
- CAPTCHA:
If the purpose non-text content is to confirm that content is being
accessed by a person rather than a computer, then text alternatives that
identify and describe the purpose of the non-text content are provided,
and alternative forms of CAPTCHA using output modes for different types
of sensory perception are provided to accommodate different disabilities.
- Decoration, Formatting, Invisible: If
non-text content is pure
decoration, is used only for visual
formatting, or is not presented to users, then it is implemented in a way
that it can be ignored by assistive
technology.
Regards,
Phill Jenkins
IBM Research - Human Ability & Accessibility Center
http://www.ibm.com/able
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Good points. Is there anyone specifically
in charge of alternative formats, not just web accessibility? Such as W3C has
standards for web accessibility.
Sincerely,
Ryan Jean
Assistant IT Specialist
The Disability Network
Flint, MI
> . . . I was
referring to all formats, such as visual, audio, and written. I do see where
all 3
> of these would fall into web accessibility. Visual for
graphics, audio for sound, and
> written for downloading files as PDF or TXT. Do
you agree?
Well,
I would expand your simple list to also include the following, quoted from
Understand WCAG:
- Controls,
Input: If non-text content is a control or accepts user
input, then it has a name that describes its purpose.
(Refer to Guideline 4.1 for
additional requirements for controls and content that accepts user input.)
- Time-Based
Media: If non-text content is time-based media, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content. (Refer to Guideline 1.2 for
additional requirements for media.)
- Test: If
non-text content is a test or exercise that must be presented in non-text format, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content.
- Sensory: If
non-text content is primarily intended to create a specific sensory experience, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content.
- CAPTCHA: If the purpose non-text content
is to confirm that content is being accessed by a person rather than a
computer, then text alternatives that identify and describe the purpose of
the non-text content are provided, and alternative forms of CAPTCHA using
output modes for different types of sensory perception are provided to
accommodate different disabilities.
- Decoration,
Formatting, Invisible: If non-text content is pure decoration, is used only
for visual formatting, or is not presented to users, then it is implemented
in a way that it can be ignored by assistive technology.
Regards,
Phill Jenkins
IBM Research - Human
Ability & Accessibility Center
http://www.ibm.com/able
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Thank you for your reply. It’s my
goal to have EVERYTHING accessible to EVERYONE.
Sincerely,
Ryan Jean
Assistant IT Specialist
The Disability Network
Flint, MI
> . . . I was
referring to all formats, such as visual, audio, and written. I do see where
all 3
> of these would fall into web accessibility. Visual for
graphics, audio for sound, and
> written for downloading files as PDF or TXT. Do
you agree?
Well,
I would expand your simple list to also include the following, quoted from
Understand WCAG:
- Controls,
Input: If non-text content is a control or accepts user
input, then it has a name that describes its purpose.
(Refer to Guideline 4.1 for
additional requirements for controls and content that accepts user input.)
- Time-Based
Media: If non-text content is time-based media, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content. (Refer to Guideline 1.2 for
additional requirements for media.)
- Test: If
non-text content is a test or exercise that must be presented in non-text format, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content.
- Sensory: If
non-text content is primarily intended to create a specific sensory experience, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the non-text
content.
- CAPTCHA: If the purpose non-text content
is to confirm that content is being accessed by a person rather than a
computer, then text alternatives that identify and describe the purpose of
the non-text content are provided, and alternative forms of CAPTCHA using
output modes for different types of sensory perception are provided to
accommodate different disabilities.
- Decoration,
Formatting, Invisible: If non-text content is pure decoration, is used only
for visual formatting, or is not presented to users, then it is
implemented in a way that it can be ignored by assistive technology.
Regards,
Phill Jenkins
IBM Research - Human
Ability & Accessibility Center
http://www.ibm.com/able
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Re: Alternative Formats
That's an awesome goal. Right behind you! On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Ryan Jean <ryanj@...> wrote:
Thank you for your reply. It's my
goal to have EVERYTHING accessible to EVERYONE.
Sincerely,
Ryan Jean
Assistant IT Specialist
The Disability Network
Flint, MI
> . . . I was
referring to all formats, such as visual, audio, and written. I do see where
all 3
> of these would fall into web accessibility. Visual for
graphics, audio for sound, and
> written for downloading files as PDF or TXT. Do
you agree?
Well,
I would expand your simple list to also include the following, quoted from
Understand WCAG:
- Controls,
Input: If non-text content is a control or accepts user
input, then it has a name that describes its purpose.
(Refer to Guideline 4.1 for
additional requirements for controls and content that accepts user input.)
- Time-Based
Media: If non-text content is time-based media, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content. (Refer to Guideline 1.2 for
additional requirements for media.)
- Test: If
non-text content is a test or exercise that must be presented in non-text format, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content.
- Sensory: If
non-text content is primarily intended to create a specific sensory experience, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the non-text
content.
- CAPTCHA: If the purpose non-text content
is to confirm that content is being accessed by a person rather than a
computer, then text alternatives that identify and describe the purpose of
the non-text content are provided, and alternative forms of CAPTCHA using
output modes for different types of sensory perception are provided to
accommodate different disabilities.
- Decoration,
Formatting, Invisible: If non-text content is pure decoration, is used only
for visual formatting, or is not presented to users, then it is
implemented in a way that it can be ignored by assistive technology.
Regards,
Phill Jenkins
IBM Research - Human
Ability & Accessibility Center
http://www.ibm.com/able
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Thank you. I’m working on
instructions and a plan to make things into alternative formats, such as
Braille, audio CD, and large format. Would anybody be interested in testing
them?
Sincerely,
Ryan Jean
Assistant IT Specialist
The Disability Network
Flint, MI
From: Mag Leahy
[mailto:magleahy@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008
12:04 PM
To: Ryan Jean
Cc: Phill Jenkins;
w3c-wai-ig@...
Subject: Re: Alternative Formats
That's an awesome goal.
Right behind you!
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Ryan Jean <ryanj@...> wrote:
Thank you for your reply. It's my goal to have EVERYTHING
accessible to EVERYONE.
Sincerely,
Ryan Jean
Assistant IT Specialist
The Disability Network
Flint, MI
> . . . I was
referring to all formats, such as visual, audio, and written. I do see where
all 3
> of these would fall into web accessibility. Visual for
graphics, audio for sound, and
> written for downloading files as PDF or TXT. Do
you agree?
Well,
I would expand your simple list to also include the following, quoted from
Understand WCAG:
- Controls,
Input: If non-text content is a control or accepts user
input, then it has a name that
describes its purpose. (Refer to Guideline
4.1 for additional requirements for controls and
content that accepts user input.)
- Time-Based
Media: If non-text content is time-based media, then
text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content. (Refer to Guideline
1.2 for additional requirements for media.)
- Test: If
non-text content is a test or exercise that must be presented
in non-text format, then text alternatives at
least provide descriptive identification of the non-text content.
- Sensory: If
non-text content is primarily intended to create a specific sensory
experience, then text alternatives at
least provide descriptive identification of the non-text content.
- CAPTCHA: If the purpose non-text content
is to confirm that content is being accessed by a person rather than a
computer, then text alternatives that identify and describe the purpose of
the non-text content are provided, and alternative forms of CAPTCHA using
output modes for different types of sensory perception are provided to
accommodate different disabilities.
- Decoration,
Formatting, Invisible: If non-text content is pure decoration, is
used only for visual formatting, or is not presented to users, then it is
implemented in a way that it can be ignored by assistive
technology.
Regards,
Phill Jenkins
IBM Research - Human
Ability & Accessibility Center
http://www.ibm.com/able
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Mag
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RE: Alternative Formats
> . . . Is
there anyone specifically in charge of alternative formats, not just web
accessibility? Such as W3C has standards for web accessibility.
Not that I know of. That was one
of my points earlier, that the
". . . [WCAG 2.0] 'guidelines'
apply to any and all file formats (also referred to as technologies), .
. . neither WCAG, 508, or any of the other "standards"[groups]
really address which file formats are better or worse alternatives to the
other. . ." - its always changing anyways.
There are probably best practices guidelines
posted at TRACE, WebAIM, and maybe even www.section508.gov. For example,
inside IBM we post a list of best practices when holding a meeting that
suggestes the meeting holder ask the attendee if they have any special
formats requests, such as electronic copies (via e-mail, memory stick,
or CD-ROM) or large print. We use to recommend asking for Braille,
but most prefer electronic format that allows them to Braille later on
their favorite printer.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Phill Jenkins
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