Admit it, you're as bored as I am

[Kim Cascone]

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[justin deming-2]

wow thanks for posting.  very interesting.  honestly ive thought for awhile
now that many (not all) artistic statements deemed "modern" are somewhat
relying on shock value in some way in order to come off as different or
revolutionary.  solo vocal music consisting of bizarre behavior, a woman
reading poetry off a slip of paper as she pulls it out of her vagina, or a
rock band dressed up as chickens might be amusing but might not qualify as
being beautiful forms of expression in any sort of definition of beauty.
even music that is harsh and uncomfortable that has lasted the times somehow
fits into someones definition of beauty.  seems like there was a lot of
shock art going on in the 70's but its 2008 and i feel like a lot of that
stuff is tired now.  lots of ideas in this article though.  but if anyones
thinking of writing a duet for suspended cymbal and a microwave, maybe you
should rethink that one.

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[Paulo Mouat-2]

Art is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. Although it is true that
many aspiring artists go for the shock value (how else to make an
instant name for yourself?) a lot of others are genuinely engaged in
their art.

I was at the Berio concert earlier this year mentioned in the article
and I can attest several members of the audience were not at all "into
it" and were clearly there for the 2nd half, which had Brahms. Perhaps
that's one of the reasons there was a pre-concert talk, so that the
Berio was made more palatable to the unsuspecting audience. For me
that talk was quite valuable, as there was an informal performance of
Berio's O King, an adaptation of Sinfonia's 3rd movement.

Sinfonia is an awesome work (although I prefer the premiere's
recording conducted by Ernest Bour), one of the very few examples
where collage doesn't make me cringe. Berio's ear for orchestration is
masterfully displayed in that work (even better in O King).

//p
http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 9:22 PM,  <ytbmusic@...> wrote:

> wow thanks for posting.  very interesting.  honestly ive thought for awhile
> now that many (not all) artistic statements deemed "modern" are somewhat
> relying on shock value in some way in order to come off as different or
> revolutionary.  solo vocal music consisting of bizarre behavior, a woman
> reading poetry off a slip of paper as she pulls it out of her vagina, or a
> rock band dressed up as chickens might be amusing but might not qualify as
> being beautiful forms of expression in any sort of definition of beauty.
> even music that is harsh and uncomfortable that has lasted the times somehow
> fits into someones definition of beauty.  seems like there was a lot of
> shock art going on in the 70's but its 2008 and i feel like a lot of that
> stuff is tired now.  lots of ideas in this article though.  but if anyones
> thinking of writing a duet for suspended cymbal and a microwave, maybe you
> should rethink that one.
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Kim Cascone <kim@...> wrote:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6rek8n
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[Andrew Thompson-8]

Actually, I liked the comments afterwords even more so than the actual articles (particulary the response article's comments). Basically, it seemed divided into two camps: pro-modern and anti-modern. What interested me though was one person said about funding for these modern performers. Bon Jovi's supported by his fans, and these more "challenging" artists are by and large funded more by state funds. This poster thought apparently that would be more "honest" to simply live in poverty, producing these esoteric works, rather than continue to draw money from the state for pieces that may not be as popular.

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[Jared Friend]

Remind me to send Luigi Nono a couple hundred bucks...

j

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Andrew Thompson <laskurg@...> wrote:

> Actually, I liked the comments afterwords even more so than the actual
> articles (particulary the response article's comments). Basically, it seemed
> divided into two camps: pro-modern and anti-modern. What interested me
> though was one person said about funding for these modern performers. Bon
> Jovi's supported by his fans, and these more "challenging" artists are by
> and large funded more by state funds. This poster thought apparently that
> would be more "honest" to simply live in poverty, producing these esoteric
> works, rather than continue to draw money from the state for pieces that may
> not be as popular.
>
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> Subject: [microsound] Admit it, you're as bored as I am
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[nobodyknowsitabc]

 That was absolutely inspirational. Thank you.


 


 

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[Ken Restivo]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:41:39PM -0700, Andrew Thompson wrote:

> Actually, I liked the comments afterwords even more so than the actual articles (particulary the response article's comments). Basically, it seemed divided into two camps: pro-modern and anti-modern. What interested me though was one person said about funding for these modern performers. Bon Jovi's supported by his fans, and these more "challenging" artists are by and large funded more by state funds. This poster thought apparently that would be more "honest" to simply live in poverty, producing these esoteric works, rather than continue to draw money from the state for pieces that may not be as popular.
>
> --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Kim Cascone <kim@...> wrote:
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> From: Kim Cascone <kim@...>
> Subject: [microsound] Admit it, you're as bored as I am
> To: "microsound_list" <microsound@...>
> Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 1:22 PM
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It reminded me a lot of Frank Zappa's speech to the 1984 ASUC meeting, reprinted in its entirety in his 1988 autobiography "The Real Frank Zappa Book".

http://otg.brainiac.com/fz.htm

-ken

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[Lawrence Upton-2]

I am grateful for the link. I hadn't read the Zappa speech. But I disagree
with the comparison. Zappa is ironic and serious where the journalist is
whining and self-serving.

L




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