AC Mfg. & AC Co - more research...........

[DColucci]

There are 2 different companies, at least for tax or  legal purposes in Massachusetts by 1898:

 

Also other data below:

 

 

JAN 19, 1898

 

 

 

 

 

Massachusetts Public Documents in 1896 say:

"American Camera Manufacturing Company, The, Northborough.
Organization certified June 16, 1896. Pub. Stat., c. 106."

 

 

 

 

 

 

NY Public Documents say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wilson's Photographic Magazine 1897:

"SENSITIZED NEGATIVE FILMS. T. H. Blair, Northampton, Mass., and S. E. Waterman, Paw- tucket, R. I., assignors to the American Camera Co., of Northborough, Mass. No. 588,790. A method of making a flexible support for a film of gelatino-bromide emulsion and coating the same in one continuous operation."

 

 

 

1898 ad

 

 

 

 

 

look here as well

 

http://www.usedcam.com/ClassicLF.htm

 "Manufactured By American Camera Co. Rochester, NY. Pat. Applied For"

 

 

 

----Dan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Milan Zahorcak*]

Dan, yes, we are now aware that there were at least two, and possibly three or more companies.  But we are no better off.

 

The trick is to put them into chronological context with names or ownership, legal associations (if any, with each other), dates, locations, and products.

 

For example, knowing that there were 10 Zahorcak's in my family, only counting citizens of this country, 9 of them taxpayers, scattered about NJ, PA, OR and Japan between the years 2001 and 2008 - really doesn't tell much of the story.  And the other 47 known, but unrelated Zahorcak's don't help the matter if you don't know who's in and who's out.

 

Without a timeline, and the business version of a family tree with all of the "and they begat . . ." none of us knows anything more now than we started.  We're still floundering in sea of unconnected facts.

 

MZ

 

PS:  9-year Sasha may in fact pay taxes this year if she makes any money from her home-published coloring book "Last one off the bus - a view our neighborhood from the school bus."  

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of DColucci@...
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:53 AM
To: woodandbrass@...
Subject: [W&B] AC Mfg. & AC Co - more research...........

There are 2 different companies, at least for tax or  legal purposes in Massachusetts by 1898:

 

Also other data below:

 

 

JAN 19, 1898

 

 

 

 

 

Massachusetts Public Documents in 1896 say:

"American Camera Manufacturing Company, The, Northborough.
Organization certified June 16, 1896. Pub. Stat., c. 106."

 

 

 

 

 

 

NY Public Documents say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wilson's Photographic Magazine 1897:

"SENSITIZED NEGATIVE FILMS. T. H. Blair, Northampton, Mass., and S. E. Waterman, Paw- tucket, R. I., assignors to the American Camera Co., of Northborough, Mass. No. 588,790. A method of making a flexible support for a film of gelatino-bromide emulsion and coating the same in one continuous operation."

 

 

 

1898 ad

 

 

 

 

 

look here as well

 

http://www.usedcam.com/ClassicLF.htm

 "Manufactured By American Camera Co. Rochester, NY. Pat. Applied For"

 

 

 

----Dan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Marenfred]

The American Camera Manufacturing Company appears to have been established by Thomas Blair in Northboro Mass. in 1896 in order  to proviude a source of roll film cameras for Blair's European company. (see Images and Enterprise by Reese Jenkins, page 190. There are many index references to American Camera Manufacturing Co & American Camera Co. in the book.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

In a message dated 3/1/2008 10:34:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, milan.zahorcak@... writes:

Dan, yes, we are now aware that there were at least two, and possibly three or more companies.  But we are no better off.

 

The trick is to put them into chronological context with names or ownership, legal associations (if any, with each other), dates, locations, and products.

 

For example, knowing that there were 10 Zahorcak's in my family, only counting citizens of this country, 9 of them taxpayers, scattered about NJ, PA, OR and Japan between the years 2001 and 2008 - really doesn't tell much of the story.  And the other 47 known, but unrelated Zahorcak's don't help the matter if you don't know who's in and who's out.

 

Without a timeline, and the business version of a family tree with all of the "and they begat . . ." none of us knows anything more now than we started.  We're still floundering in sea of unconnected facts.

 

MZ

 

PS:  9-year Sasha may in fact pay taxes this year if she makes any money from her home-published coloring book "Last one off the bus - a view our neighborhood from the school bus."  

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of DColucci@...
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:53 AM
To: woodandbrass@...
Subject: [W&B] AC Mfg. & AC Co - more research...........

There are 2 different companies, at least for tax or  legal purposes in Massachusetts by 1898:

 

Also other data below:

 

 

JAN 19, 1898

 

 

 

 

 

Massachusetts Public Documents in 1896 say:

"American Camera Manufacturing Company, The, Northborough.
Organization certified June 16, 1896. Pub. Stat., c. 106."

 

 

 

 

 

 

NY Public Documents say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wilson's Photographic Magazine 1897:

"SENSITIZED NEGATIVE FILMS. T. H. Blair, Northampton, Mass., and S. E. Waterman, Paw- tucket, R. I., assignors to the American Camera Co., of Northborough, Mass. No. 588,790. A method of making a flexible support for a film of gelatino-bromide emulsion and coating the same in one continuous operation."

 

 

 

1898 ad

 

 

 

 

 

look here as well

 

http://www.usedcam.com/ClassicLF.htm

 "Manufactured By American Camera Co. Rochester, NY. Pat. Applied For"

 

 

 

----Dan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.

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[Milan Zahorcak*]

Fred,

 

You know what I find particularly irksome about this "American Camera" nonsense?

 

One of these damned companies - doesn't matter which - existed before the other one, or other ones.

 

Which bright-ass genius thought it would be a good idea to use essentially the same damned name when they started the other company?

 

Then again, there were the Rochester permutations ad infinitum.

 

And let's see, other possibilities would be:

 

1.   Un-American Camera Co. &/or Un-American Camera Manufacturing Co.

 

2.   American Optimal Company (hey, that's not bad . . . and no one used it?)

 

3.   John Lock & Co. - a wholly owned subsidiary of John Lock, Stock & Barrel assigned to American Optimal.

 

4.   Blare Camera Company

 

5.   Eastmon Coat-Rack

 

6.   Ser-oh-no!

 

7.   Senokot Camera Manufacturing

 

8.   E & HT Antimony

 

9.   Slomill Manufacturing (this one requires a bit more research)

 

10. Gundlach Corona - perhaps in competition with Gundlach Dos Equis

 

11. Hmmm . . . and maybe there really was a Harrifon, or a Voigtlander & John, or a Parlor lens company.

 

I'm sure I missed many other possibilities.

 

So?  where is Eaton during all this?  Has he stood on a chair and sung the W&B theme song yet?

 

mz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marenfred@...
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:31 PM
To: woodandbrass@...
Subject: Re: [W&B] AC Mfg. & AC Co - more research...........

The American Camera Manufacturing Company appears to have been established by Thomas Blair in Northboro Mass. in 1896 in order  to proviude a source of roll film cameras for Blair's European company. (see Images and Enterprise by Reese Jenkins, page 190. There are many index references to American Camera Manufacturing Co & American Camera Co. in the book.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

In a message dated 3/1/2008 10:34:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, milan.zahorcak@... writes:

Dan, yes, we are now aware that there were at least two, and possibly three or more companies.  But we are no better off.

 

The trick is to put them into chronological context with names or ownership, legal associations (if any, with each other), dates, locations, and products.

 

For example, knowing that there were 10 Zahorcak's in my family, only counting citizens of this country, 9 of them taxpayers, scattered about NJ, PA, OR and Japan between the years 2001 and 2008 - really doesn't tell much of the story.  And the other 47 known, but unrelated Zahorcak's don't help the matter if you don't know who's in and who's out.

 

Without a timeline, and the business version of a family tree with all of the "and they begat . . ." none of us knows anything more now than we started.  We're still floundering in sea of unconnected facts.

 

MZ

 

PS:  9-year Sasha may in fact pay taxes this year if she makes any money from her home-published coloring book "Last one off the bus - a view our neighborhood from the school bus."  

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of DColucci@...
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:53 AM
To: woodandbrass@...
Subject: [W&B] AC Mfg. & AC Co - more research...........

There are 2 different companies, at least for tax or  legal purposes in Massachusetts by 1898:

 

Also other data below:

 

 

JAN 19, 1898

 

 

 

 

 

Massachusetts Public Documents in 1896 say:

"American Camera Manufacturing Company, The, Northborough.
Organization certified June 16, 1896. Pub. Stat., c. 106."

 

 

 

 

 

 

NY Public Documents say:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wilson's Photographic Magazine 1897:

"SENSITIZED NEGATIVE FILMS. T. H. Blair, Northampton, Mass., and S. E. Waterman, Paw- tucket, R. I., assignors to the American Camera Co., of Northborough, Mass. No. 588,790. A method of making a flexible support for a film of gelatino-bromide emulsion and coating the same in one continuous operation."

 

 

 

1898 ad

 

 

 

 

 

look here as well

 

http://www.usedcam.com/ClassicLF.htm

 "Manufactured By American Camera Co. Rochester, NY. Pat. Applied For"

 

 

 

----Dan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.

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