Hi,
Btw - thanks for doing this - it's very valuable to us to get outside
perspectives!
> Ok, so now I can get Plone up and running. I have been following the
> wetfeet
Which tutorial is this? URL?
> tutorial which I find to be excellent. I think it might be a
> tad out-of-date however because I had to go rummaging around to get
> plone working. No biggie.
>
> ok, so download plone, install anywhere and copy over the Products
> directory. Done.
> Hmp. Plone Site is not showing up in the drop-down for "add" ok, well
> restart, or easy_install Plone into my site-packages. No dice. Ah,
> good 'ol README.txt. Looks like I now have to copy over the lib
> directory. Gotcha. Aha! things are appearing, but no plone site...
> hmmm.
Again, I'd look at
http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/buildout.
Also, note that we don't generally install Plone via easy_install. Plone
and it's packaging predate Python eggs, although all new packages are
being managed as eggs and old packages are being migrated.
> Ok, there is a log directory, this doesn't take a genius to figure
> out. cat event.log.... right, tons of PIL errors, and a few wlement
> trees ! Ok, well it looks like it needs the pil package... ok, so
> easy_install PIL
Did you read that README? :) The problem here is that PIL can't be
installed as an egg, and must be compiled on your system to work.
> ok, installed.... hmp, still not working. (easy_install element_tree
> works though) ok, so lets put it in the lib directory for the
> zinstance. easy_install -d . PIL ... ok installs. Still not
> working. Well hmp. let's make a directory called PIL and copy
> everything from the egg in there, and VOILA! working Plone.
You need to install PIL as a standalone package, the egg is broken. This
is clearly documented though. There's not much we can do beyond
documenting it. All the installers take care of it, of course.
> ok, compare this to TG Toscawidgets. (no where near the
> functionality, but a package built on TG)
>
> easy_install toscawidgets
> oh, and you will probably want forms and ajax forms so...
> easy_install -a twAjaxTools
> Done.
>
> Ok, so that is my experience so far. I still have this cludgy version
> of PIL in my zinstance packages instead of site-packages where I want
> it, but everything works. It tooks some figuring out and some
> searching, but it works. I am ready to be a plone developer now.
Try not to think of Plone as something that goes into site-packages. You
create a Zope server instance (a directory with somet stuff in it,
including an object database - no external database server is needed),
and install Plone it it (extract the tarball) - or you use buildout.
> I might also note that the length of time between posting and getting
> a response on the boards is about 4 times that of TG, and I am
> wondering if I have found the right place for such assistance or not.
You posted this at 21:44 and I replied on 21:54, that's not so bad, is
it... This list is generally very responsive (and it's the right place
to ask).
> It does seem like there are very knowledgeable members here and if the
> right question is asked, poof! out comes the answer.
Right. Asking good questions is most of the answer.
> So far for a framework that claims to offer so much for so little
> effort I am not yet seeing the pay-off. I am sure that I will see in
> the near future how all this work pays off with ease of development,
> but I will have to keep you posted on that one.
Give it a chance at least. :)
> thanks to those of you who stepped up and were willing to point a ZP
What is ZP? It's not an acronym anyone else uses. ;-)
Martin
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