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4D Draw work around for v11SQL

by Joe Dombroski :: Rate this Message:

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Has anyone found an integrated solution to replace 4D draw?
 
I was discouraged that 4D has dropped in it in v11.
 
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Re: 4D Draw work around for v11SQL

by Matthias Schmidt-6 :: Rate this Message:

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Am/On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:27:48 -0400 schrieb/wrote Joe Dombroski:

>Has anyone found an integrated solution to replace 4D draw?

Heubach Media has a component based on SVG., called HmSVGEditor.
You find it here:
<http://www.heubach-media.de/index.php?id=160&L=1>

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by Ortwin Zillgen :: Rate this Message:

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> Has anyone found an integrated solution to replace 4D draw?
>
> I was discouraged that 4D has dropped in it in v11.


not that bad with V11!
Only Intel-Macs will be slower, because of that extra Rosetta-layer.

what kind of drawings?


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Re: 4D Draw work around for v11SQL

by Jody Bevan :: Rate this Message:

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If you have customers using MacOS this is bad news. It is not just  
draw that runs in Rosetta, but the whole application.

Certainly not what the customer expects of an application that it will  
run in Rosetta for years into the future.

Fortunately, it looks like there is a work around in using the new SVG  
code.

Jody


On Jul 3, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Ortwin Zillgen wrote:

>> Has anyone found an integrated solution to replace 4D draw?
>>
>> I was discouraged that 4D has dropped in it in v11.
>
>
> not that bad with V11!
> Only Intel-Macs will be slower, because of that extra Rosetta-layer.
>
> what kind of drawings?
>
>
> Regards
> Ortwin Zillgen


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by John Foster :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Joe,

> Has anyone found an integrated solution to replace 4D draw?
>
> I was discouraged that 4D has dropped in it in v11.

As Matthias already sugegsted there's Heubach Media has a component  
based on SVG., called HmSVGEditor.

My favorite, which works with 2004 and v11 is CanvasPlugin by Rob  
Laveau. If you're looking for an out of the box DRaw replacement this  
is not the tool. It's a graphic application framework that can be  
used to create a 4D Draw replacement or just about anything else  
graphical in nature.

http://www.pluggers.nl/canvas_plugin.html

Very powerful and flexible.

Hope that helps,
John...

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Re: 4D Draw work around for v11SQL

by Jack des Bouillons :: Rate this Message:

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Well...yes...

But it's the difference between buying a car...

And buying a plant where you can BUILD a car...

A lot  more involved...

Jack des Bouillons
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On 7/3/08 10:18 AM, "John Foster" <truegold@...> wrote:

> My favorite, which works with 2004 and v11 is CanvasPlugin by Rob
> Laveau. If you're looking for an out of the box DRaw replacement this
> is not the tool. It's a graphic application framework that can be
> used to create a 4D Draw replacement or just about anything else
> graphical in nature.
>
> http://www.pluggers.nl/canvas_plugin.html
>
> Very powerful and flexible.



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Parent Message unknown Re: 4D Draw work around for v11SQL

by John Foster :: Rate this Message:

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Hey Jack,

It's not that great a chasm.

It does require a change in thinking (based upon working with 4D  
Draw) because you have so much power and flexibility. The one thing  
I've not seen yet with the SVG is how to create and manage each  
object, or objects within objects, via their own callback methods.  
This is extremely powerful and makes managing complex objects easier.

But it does take work - no doubt.

In either case, SVG or CanvasPlugin, you're building from a lower level.

John...

>
> Well...yes...
>
> But it's the difference between buying a car...
>
> And buying a plant where you can BUILD a car...
>
> A lot  more involved...
>
> Jack des Bouillons
> Hobbs Herder Advertising



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Re: 4D Draw work around for v11SQL

by Arnaud de Montard :: Rate this Message:

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Le 3 juil. 08 à 19:18, John Foster a écrit :

> My favorite, which works with 2004 and v11 is CanvasPlugin by Rob  
> Laveau. [...]
> http://www.pluggers.nl/canvas_plugin.html
> Very powerful and flexible.

Hi all,
after playing with the demo: great. But... as 4D 2003 / 2004 are ok,  
when I try v11, I have a message like "canvas plungin.bundle cannot be  
used, it may not work under intel"). Commands from canvas (CV ...)  
appear in list of commands (under method window), they are correctly  
recognised when I type them, but execution causes errors.

My install is :
+ Canvas Plugin Demo.4DB
+ Plugins (folder)
        + Canvas Plugin.bundle (folder)
                + Contents (folder)

macpro intel, leopard, 4D v11.2.

What am I doing wrong ?

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Re: 4D Draw work around for v11SQL

by Koen Van Hooreweghe :: Rate this Message:

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Arnaud,

I think you got" the powerpc version of the plugin. I don't know if  
there is a Universal Binary available yet. But check if you really  
have the latest version.

HTH
Koen

Op 11-jul-08, om 15:49 heeft Arnaud de Montard het volgende geschreven:

> My install is :
> + Canvas Plugin Demo.4DB
> + Plugins (folder)
> + Canvas Plugin.bundle (folder)
> + Contents (folder)
>
> macpro intel, leopard, 4D v11.2.
>
> What am I doing wrong ?

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Re: 4D Draw work around for v11SQL

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On 11 jul 2008, at 15:49, Arnaud de Montard wrote:

> after playing with the demo: great. But... as 4D 2003 / 2004 are ok,  
> when I try v11, I have a message like "canvas plungin.bundle cannot  
> be used, it may not work under intel"). Commands from canvas  
> (CV ...) appear in list of commands (under method window), they are  
> correctly recognised when I type them, but execution causes errors.

Hi Arnaud,

Copy the plugin from the "Plugins UB" folder. That is the Universal  
Binary version.
The one in the "Plugins" folder is PowerPC only.

HTH,

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Re: 4D Draw work around for v11SQL

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Le 11 juil. 08 à 16:21, Rob Laveaux a écrit :

> Copy the plugin from the "Plugins UB" folder. That is the Universal  
> Binary version.
> The one in the "Plugins" folder is PowerPC only.

Thanks, Rob, it works very fine now. Another v11 problem, when playing  
demo (simply converted 2003->2004->v11.2):
   line with 'CV Draw Library Picture'
   alert "picture library item not found, id: 0, name: AquaBar2"
Due to 4D v11 new behavior?

Also, I haven't tried yet to print pictures made with canvas: are they  
vectorial pict, as draw or chart?

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Re: 4D Draw work around for v11SQL

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On 11 jul 2008, at 17:41, arnaud wrote:

> Thanks, Rob, it works very fine now. Another v11 problem, when  
> playing demo (simply converted 2003->2004->v11.2):
>  line with 'CV Draw Library Picture'
>  alert "picture library item not found, id: 0, name: AquaBar2"
> Due to 4D v11 new behavior?

Yes, that is due to a change in the way 4D v11 stores the picture  
library internally.
As a workaround you can use GET PICTURE ITEM FROM LIBRARY and CV Draw  
Picture instead.

> Also, I haven't tried yet to print pictures made with canvas: are  
> they vectorial pict, as draw or chart?

Yes they're vectorial.

HTH,

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