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Vaughan Johnson
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Here's where I think we are on 1.3.5:

    * David would like the ESC problems fixed so all dialogs handle it:
          o oldies: Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
            Benchmark
          o new, due to wx 2.6.4: edit->preferences, effect->gverb,
            effect->hard limiter, effect->sc4, custom VST f/x
    * James suggests further testing on "clicks during recording" issue,
      and fixing it in 1.3.6, not holding up 1.3.5 for it.
    * Richard has question about "Playback may fail with no devices
      detected if using OSS emulation under ALSA" issue (Linux-only).
    * Richard: VAMP SDK patch.
    * Michael Schwendt just submitted 2 patches for Fedora.

So, votes, please on whether to delay a day or two if necessary to get
these in (except "clicks during recording") and do a little more testing.

Thanks,
Vaughan



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On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 12:36 -0700, Vaughan Johnson wrote:
> Here's where I think we are on 1.3.5:
>
>     * David would like the ESC problems fixed so all dialogs handle it:
>           o oldies: Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
>             Benchmark
>           o new, due to wx 2.6.4: edit->preferences, effect->gverb,
>             effect->hard limiter, effect->sc4, custom VST f/x
So actually just preferences and the plug-in dialogues for LADSPA and
VST effects.
>     * James suggests further testing on "clicks during recording" issue,
>       and fixing it in 1.3.6, not holding up 1.3.5 for it.
>     * Richard has question about "Playback may fail with no devices
>       detected if using OSS emulation under ALSA" issue (Linux-only).
Now dealt with - turns out that I'd in fact got the fix through ages
ago, but not written it up.

>     * Richard: VAMP SDK patch.
>     * Michael Schwendt just submitted 2 patches for Fedora.
The GCC 4.3 patch from Micheal replicates the VAMP one above - would be
nice to get some feedback from Chris.
The expat2 patch is trivial and compiles without warnings for me, so
I've committed it.

> So, votes, please on whether to delay a day or two if necessary to get
> these in (except "clicks during recording") and do a little more testing.
Given the number of things that have come out of the release testing, I
think it's worth moving the release date back a day or two to get the
issues we know about ironed out - we would have to move them before
starting in earnest on 1.3.6 anyway.

Richard


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| From Vaughan Johnson <vaughan@...>
| Mon, 05 May 2008 12:36:35 -0700
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 1.3.5 release?

> Here's where I think we are on 1.3.5:
>
>     * David would like the ESC problems fixed so all dialogs handle it:
>           o oldies: Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
>             Benchmark
>           o new, due to wx 2.6.4: edit->preferences, effect->gverb,
>             effect->hard limiter, effect->sc4, custom VST f/x
>     * James suggests further testing on "clicks during recording" issue,
>       and fixing it in 1.3.6, not holding up 1.3.5 for it.
>     *  Richard: VAMP SDK patch.
>     * Michael Schwendt just submitted 2 patches for Fedora.
>
> So, votes, please on whether to delay a day or two if necessary to get
> these in (except "clicks during recording") and do a little more testing.

We also still have these (all marked as "known issues" in README):

1  Action keys like backspace, delete, and enter are being passed along
    to the track panel when used in the Project Rate textctrl.
2  Project Rate text and dropdown updates need to be synched.
   (typing a new rate in the Project Rate dropdown does not change the
   applied rate).
3  Export Multiple fails with no export or warning if an empty label is
   encountered.  

1) and 2) look more important as possible reasons to hold 1.3.5?

Leland also noted (not marked as "known issues")

* Memory leak in Effect::CountWaveTracks that could cause problems.
* Tab order of controls in SelectionBar is incorrect

I also think we have (entirely due to wx2.6.4 as it works in 2.6.3):

* Spin-boxes and Metadata Editor table no longer work properly with
screen readers.



Gale


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On Mon, 05 May 2008 21:30:06 +0100, Richard Ash wrote:

> >     * Richard: VAMP SDK patch.
> >     * Michael Schwendt just submitted 2 patches for Fedora.
> The GCC 4.3 patch from Micheal replicates the VAMP one above - would be
> nice to get some feedback from Chris.

Chris' patch seems to achieve the same kind of fix. It only looks
different, because it patches header files instead of the implementation
details. That's a bit strange, because for example if a class interface
declared in a header file doesn't use anything from <cstdlib>, then why
include <cstdlib> in that header file? Users of the class may not want
cstdlib by default either. That's why I patched the *.cpp files where the
standard library is used.

> The expat2 patch is trivial and compiles without warnings for me, so
> I've committed it.

Sorry that I forgot about the patch tracker at sf.net.

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Michael Schwendt <mschwendt@...>
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) - Linux 2.6.23.15-137.fc8
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Richard Ash wrote:

> On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 12:36 -0700, Vaughan Johnson wrote:
>  
>> Here's where I think we are on 1.3.5:
>>
>>     * David would like the ESC problems fixed so all dialogs handle it:
>>           o oldies: Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
>>             Benchmark
>>           o new, due to wx 2.6.4: edit->preferences, effect->gverb,
>>             effect->hard limiter, effect->sc4, custom VST f/x
>>    
> So actually just preferences and the plug-in dialogues for LADSPA and
> VST effects.
>  
Right. I'll look into it, but parallel effort may be a good idea.



>>     * James suggests further testing on "clicks during recording" issue,
>>       and fixing it in 1.3.6, not holding up 1.3.5 for it.
>>     * Richard has question about "Playback may fail with no devices
>>       detected if using OSS emulation under ALSA" issue (Linux-only).
>>    
> Now dealt with - turns out that I'd in fact got the fix through ages
> ago, but not written it up.
>  
Great. Thanks!


> ...
>  
>> So, votes, please on whether to delay a day or two if necessary to get
>> these in (except "clicks during recording") and do a little more testing.
>>    
> Given the number of things that have come out of the release testing, I
> think it's worth moving the release date back a day or two to get the
> issues we know about ironed out - we would have to move them before
> starting in earnest on 1.3.6 anyway.
>
>  

Good points. I agree.

Thanks,
V

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Thanks for bringing those up, Gale. I very much think we shouldn't go
past Wednesday to release 1.3.5, especially because 1.3.6 needs to be
out by end of May, so very soon, and they are still betas. So that means
we can't start packing lots more non-essentials into the agenda. And
everything we change will need some little testing before release.

We could quick-fix several of these by reverting to wxWidgets 2.6.3, but
since the problems introduced in 2.6.4 also exist in 2.8.7, we'll have
to patch them anyway. Since 1.3.4 is still available, I don't think
reverting is worthwhile, and I'll work on this first.

Several of the others are quick, so I'm not saying we can't get them all
done, but I'd personally like to have my coding finished by about this
time tomorrow, so we can do final testing and packaging and get it out
about this time on Wednesday.

Thanks,
Vaughan


Gale Andrews wrote:

> | From Vaughan Johnson <vaughan@...>
> | Mon, 05 May 2008 12:36:35 -0700
> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] 1.3.5 release?
>  
>> Here's where I think we are on 1.3.5:
>>
>>     * David would like the ESC problems fixed so all dialogs handle it:
>>           o oldies: Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
>>             Benchmark
>>           o new, due to wx 2.6.4: edit->preferences, effect->gverb,
>>             effect->hard limiter, effect->sc4, custom VST f/x
>>     * James suggests further testing on "clicks during recording" issue,
>>       and fixing it in 1.3.6, not holding up 1.3.5 for it.
>>     *  Richard: VAMP SDK patch.
>>     * Michael Schwendt just submitted 2 patches for Fedora.
>>
>> So, votes, please on whether to delay a day or two if necessary to get
>> these in (except "clicks during recording") and do a little more testing.
>>    
>
> We also still have these (all marked as "known issues" in README):
>
> 1  Action keys like backspace, delete, and enter are being passed along
>     to the track panel when used in the Project Rate textctrl.
> 2  Project Rate text and dropdown updates need to be synched.
>    (typing a new rate in the Project Rate dropdown does not change the
>    applied rate).
> 3  Export Multiple fails with no export or warning if an empty label is
>    encountered.  
>
> 1) and 2) look more important as possible reasons to hold 1.3.5?
>
> Leland also noted (not marked as "known issues")
>
> * Memory leak in Effect::CountWaveTracks that could cause problems.
> * Tab order of controls in SelectionBar is incorrect
>
> I also think we have (entirely due to wx2.6.4 as it works in 2.6.3):
>
> * Spin-boxes and Metadata Editor table no longer work properly with
> screen readers.
>
>
>
> Gale
>
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| From Vaughan Johnson <vaughan@...>
| Mon, 05 May 2008 15:50:48 -0700
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 1.3.5 release?

> I very much think we shouldn't go past Wednesday to release 1.3.5,
> especially because 1.3.6 needs to be  out by end of May, so very soon,
> and they are still betas...
> We could quick-fix several of these by reverting to wxWidgets 2.6.3, but
> since the problems introduced in 2.6.4 also exist in 2.8.7, we'll have
> to patch them anyway. Since 1.3.4 is still available, I don't think
> reverting is worthwhile, and I'll work on this first.
>
> Several of the others are quick, so I'm not saying we can't get them all
> done, but I'd personally like to have my coding finished by about this
> time tomorrow, so we can do final testing and packaging and get it out
> about this time on Wednesday.

Agree, especially if 1.3.6 is now almost certain. Only listed so we keep
tabs on them. I'd think the ESC issue is probably more important than
the ones I listed (widely affects all users, not just VI ones), and 1)
and 2) probably next priority after that if there's time.

If we can't make progress in time with the ESC or screen reader issues
that 2.6.4 presents, should we have a contingency plan to keep
1.3.4 publicly available after 1.3.5, though that's a bit messy?  


Gale


> >> Here's where I think we are on 1.3.5:
> >>
> >>     * David would like the ESC problems fixed so all dialogs handle it:
> >>           o oldies: Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
> >>             Benchmark
> >>           o new, due to wx 2.6.4: edit->preferences, effect->gverb,
> >>             effect->hard limiter, effect->sc4, custom VST f/x
> >>     * James suggests further testing on "clicks during recording" issue,
> >>       and fixing it in 1.3.6, not holding up 1.3.5 for it.
> >>     *  Richard: VAMP SDK patch.
> >>     * Michael Schwendt just submitted 2 patches for Fedora.
> >>
> >
> > We also still have these (all marked as "known issues" in README):
> >
> > 1)  Action keys like backspace, delete, and enter are being passed along
> >     to the track panel when used in the Project Rate textctrl.
> > 2)  Project Rate text and dropdown updates need to be synched.
> >    (typing a new rate in the Project Rate dropdown does not change the
> >    applied rate).
> > 3)  Export Multiple fails with no export or warning if an empty label is
> >    encountered.  
> >
> > 1) and 2) look more important as possible reasons to hold 1.3.5?
> >
> > Leland also noted (not marked as "known issues")
> >
> > * Memory leak in Effect::CountWaveTracks that could cause problems.
> > * Tab order of controls in SelectionBar is incorrect
> >
> > I also think we have (entirely due to wx2.6.4 as it works in 2.6.3):
> >
> > * Spin-boxes and Metadata Editor table no longer work properly with
> > screen readers.




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Update on ESC issues :

    * oldies (Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
      Benchmark) all fixed and committed.

    * new, due to wx 2.6.4:
          o edit > preferences and effec > (LADSPA f/x): Don't know why
            they're not handling ESC as wxID_CANCEL, which button ID
            fixed two of the oldies. Maybe something due to the
            indirection of CreateStdButtonSizer or wx no longer passing
            key events up to the dialog? If you tab to any of the
            buttons in those dialogs (OK or Cancel , or Preview for
            LADSPA), then ESC works as cancel.
          o I've got to hit the sack, but I suspect the VST dialogs show
            the same, i.e., tab to any button and ESC will work as cancel.

Posted a Windows rc6 with these fixes and latest from HEAD,
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/files/audacity-win-unicode-1.3.5-rc6.exe .

- Vaughan


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Hi,

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Gale Andrews <gale@...> wrote:

> I also think we have (entirely due to wx2.6.4 as it works in 2.6.3):
>
> * Spin-boxes and Metadata Editor table no longer work properly with
> screen readers.

Screen readers can read the spin boxes and table in the metadata
editor in the recent builds. I think the problem was fixed when the
accessibility flag was set. (window eyes can't read the table in the
metadata editor, but that's an old problem)

David.

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Hi,

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Vaughan Johnson
<vaughan@...> wrote:

> Update on ESC issues :
>
>    * oldies (Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
>      Benchmark) all fixed and committed.
>
>    * new, due to wx 2.6.4:
>          o edit > preferences and effec > (LADSPA f/x): Don't know why
>            they're not handling ESC as wxID_CANCEL, which button ID
>            fixed two of the oldies. Maybe something due to the
>            indirection of CreateStdButtonSizer or wx no longer passing
>            key events up to the dialog? If you tab to any of the
>            buttons in those dialogs (OK or Cancel , or Preview for
>            LADSPA), then ESC works as cancel.
>          o I've got to hit the sack, but I suspect the VST dialogs show
>            the same, i.e., tab to any button and ESC will work as cancel.
>
> Posted a Windows rc6 with these fixes and latest from HEAD,
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/files/audacity-win-unicode-1.3.5-rc6.exe .

Thanks, confirming that the oldies are now fixed in window xp and vista,

David.

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| From "David Bailes" <drbailes@...>
| Tue, 6 May 2008 11:12:26 +0100
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 1.3.5 release?

> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Gale Andrews <gale@...> wrote:
> > I also think we have (entirely due to wx2.6.4 as it works in 2.6.3):
> >
> > * Spin-boxes and Metadata Editor table no longer work properly with
> > screen readers.
>
> Screen readers can read the spin boxes and table in the metadata
> editor in the recent builds. I think the problem was fixed when the
> accessibility flag was set. (window eyes can't read the table in the
> metadata editor, but that's an old problem)

Thanks for re-confirming. I can see you said that now about Vaughan's
1.3.5rc builds. What was partly confusing me was that Leland had
appeared to say (unless I misunderstood) that reading wasn't working
for him even with accessibility set. The README currently does suggest
screen reading problems are due to wx2.6.4, so I'll correct that.


Thanks

Gale




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| From "David Bailes" <drbailes@...>
| Tue, 6 May 2008 11:14:24 +0100
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 1.3.5 release?

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Vaughan Johnson
> <vaughan@...> wrote:
> > Update on ESC issues :
> >
> >    * oldies (Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
> >      Benchmark) all fixed and committed.
> >
> >    * new, due to wx 2.6.4:
> >          o edit > preferences and effec > (LADSPA f/x): Don't know why
> >            they're not handling ESC as wxID_CANCEL, which button ID
> >            fixed two of the oldies. Maybe something due to the
> >            indirection of CreateStdButtonSizer or wx no longer passing
> >            key events up to the dialog? If you tab to any of the
> >            buttons in those dialogs (OK or Cancel , or Preview for
> >            LADSPA), then ESC works as cancel.
> >          o I've got to hit the sack, but I suspect the VST dialogs show
> >            the same, i.e., tab to any button and ESC will work as cancel.
> >
> > Posted a Windows rc6 with these fixes and latest from HEAD,
> > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/files/audacity-win-unicode-1.3.5-rc6.exe .
>
> Thanks, confirming that the oldies are now fixed in window xp and vista,

The download of rc6 is timing out for me, so I'll try to remember to
check this is OK for me too when the next rc comes down the wire.


Gale

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Hi -

I am a new Audacity user and need some help on one issue:

I have followed the instructions for splitting LP tracks, but when I go to "file" and try to find the "export multiple" choice - it is not there!  It gives me the following choices:

Export as WAV
Export as MP3
Export as OGG
Export Labels

Have I done something wrong?  Please steer me in the right direction.

Thanks,
  Jan

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| From "David Bailes"
| Tue, 6 May 2008 11:14:24 +0100
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 1.3.5 release?

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Vaughan Johnson
> wrote:
> > Update on ESC issues :
> >
> > * oldies (Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
> > Benchmark) all fixed and committed.
> >
> > * new, due to wx 2.6.4:
> > o edit > preferences and effec > (LADSPA f/x): Don't know why
> > they're not handling ESC as wxID_CANCEL, which button ID
> > fixed two of the oldies. Maybe something due to the
> > indirection of CreateStdButtonSizer or wx no longer passing
> > key events up to the dialog? If you tab to any of the
> > buttons in those dialogs (OK or Cancel , or Preview for
> > LADSPA), then ESC works as cancel.
> > o I've got to hit the sack, but I suspect the VST dialogs show
> > the same, i.e., tab to any button and ESC will work as cancel.
> >
> > Posted a Windows rc6 with these fixes and latest from HEAD,
> > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/files/audacity-win-unicode-1.3.5-rc6.exe .
>
> Thanks, confirming that the oldies are now fixed in window xp and vista,

The download of rc6 is timing out for me, so I'll try to remember to
check this is OK for me too when the next rc comes down the wire.


Gale

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| From Jan Rickman <janfantastic01@...>
| Tue, 6 May 2008 12:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] 1.3.5 release?

> I am a new Audacity user and need some help on one issue:
>
> I have followed the instructions for splitting LP tracks, but when
> I go to "file" and try to find the "export multiple" choice - it is not
> there!  It gives me the following choices:
>
> Export as WAV
> Export as MP3
> Export as OGG
> Export Labels
>
> Have I done something wrong?  Please steer me in the right direction.

The most likely reason is you are using an out of date version of
Audacity, for example 1.2.0 which did not have export multiple.
Please upgrade to the latest version for your operating system from
this page:  
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/

"Stable 1.2 - for all users" would be best as you are new to Audacity.

If that does not solve it please tell us what operating system you
are on and where you obtained your current version of Audacity from.
Help > About Audacity will give you its version number.

For general user questions, the Forum:
http://audacityteam.org/forum/

may be better than this list, which is for development topics.


Thanks

Gale


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You're using an older version of Audacity. We're discussing the imminent
1.3.5 release.

But Export Multiple was in 1.2.6, so you must be using an even older
version.

The Forum (http://www.audacityteam.org/forum/) would be a better place
to ask user-level questions like this. Thanks for your interest in Audacity.

- Vaughan


Jan Rickman wrote:

> Hi -
>
> I am a new Audacity user and need some help on one issue:
>
> I have followed the instructions for splitting LP tracks, but when I
> go to "file" and try to find the "export multiple" choice - it is not
> there!  It gives me the following choices:
>
> Export as WAV
> Export as MP3
> Export as OGG
> Export Labels
>
> Have I done something wrong?  Please steer me in the right direction.
>
> Thanks,
>   Jan
>
> */Gale Andrews <gale@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     | From "David Bailes"
>     | Tue, 6 May 2008 11:14:24 +0100
>     | Subject: [Audacity-devel] 1.3.5 release?
>     > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Vaughan Johnson
>     > wrote:
>     > > Update on ESC issues :
>     > >
>     > > * oldies (Analyze > Plot Spectrum, Help > Index, Help > Run
>     > > Benchmark) all fixed and committed.
>     > >
>     > > * new, due to wx 2.6.4:
>     > > o edit > preferences and effec > (LADSPA f/x): Don't know why
>     > > they're not handling ESC as wxID_CANCEL, which button ID
>     > > fixed two of the oldies. Maybe something due to the
>     > > indirection of CreateStdButtonSizer or wx no longer passing
>     > > key events up to the dialog? If you tab to any of the
>     > > buttons in those dialogs (OK or Cancel , or Preview for
>     > > LADSPA), then ESC works as cancel.
>     > > o I've got to hit the sack, but I suspect the VST dialogs show
>     > > the same, i.e., tab to any button and ESC will work as cancel.
>     > >
>     > > Posted a Windows rc6 with these fixes and latest from HEAD,
>     > >
>     http://audacity.sourceforge.net/files/audacity-win-unicode-1.3.5-rc6.exe
>     .
>     >
>     > Thanks, confirming that the oldies are now fixed in window xp
>     and vista,
>
>     The download of rc6 is timing out for me, so I'll try to remember to
>     check this is OK for me too when the next rc comes down the wire.
>
>
>     Gale
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Gale Andrews wrote:
> ...
> If we can't make progress in time with the ESC or screen reader issues
> that 2.6.4 presents, should we have a contingency plan to keep
> 1.3.4 publicly available after 1.3.5, though that's a bit messy?  
>  
Looks like the screen reader and "oldie" ESC issues are fixed (thanks,
testers!). Out of all the dialog boxes in Audacity, a few don't handle
ESC, but they do handle tabbing to Close/Cancel button, so keyboard
control is available. Pretty minor, I'd say, so no reason to keep 1.3.4
prominently available. (It will stay publicly available on Sourceforge,
as all previous released versions.)

Thanks,
Vaughan


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