[Wikitech-l] Implementing the Babel extension

[mike.lifeguard]

Something similar happened at Wikibooks. We want a way to count the number
of books we have (as opposed to pages), and to list them. So Ramac and
Pietrodn wrote http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AllBooks, which
solves that problem quite well. The solution was rejected because it solves
the wrong problem.

 

The real problem is that the software has no way of knowing what a book is -
that is, there is no thing in the database identifying books. That is the
real problem, and once we solve it, we can implement many other solutions to
problems which stem from that (some thoughts at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mike.lifeguard/Wish_list). As
disappointing as that is for the Wikibooks community (and especially the
developers), it was the right choice. We should not implement an extension
just because it was written - that is what has been proposed.

 

Rejecting this solution is the correct course in this case because here too
the wrong problem is solved.

 

Mike

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[Gerard Meijssen-3]

Hoi.
You are comparing apples with pears.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:36 PM, mike.lifeguard <mike.lifeguard@...>
wrote:

> Something similar happened at Wikibooks. We want a way to count the number
> of books we have (as opposed to pages), and to list them. So Ramac and
> Pietrodn wrote http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AllBooks, which
> solves that problem quite well. The solution was rejected because it solves
> the wrong problem.
>
>
>
> The real problem is that the software has no way of knowing what a book is
> -
> that is, there is no thing in the database identifying books. That is the
> real problem, and once we solve it, we can implement many other solutions
> to
> problems which stem from that (some thoughts at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mike.lifeguard/Wish_list). As
> disappointing as that is for the Wikibooks community (and especially the
> developers), it was the right choice. We should not implement an extension
> just because it was written - that is what has been proposed.
>
>
>
> Rejecting this solution is the correct course in this case because here too
> the wrong problem is solved.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
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[Jesse Plamondon-Willard]

Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
> You are comparing apples with pears.

It's a valid comparison when discussing whether we should specifically
address the lack of fructose in one's diet by buying more apples, or
buying a general basket of fruit.

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Yours cordially,
Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild)

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[^demon]

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:

> Hoi.
> You are comparing apples with pears.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:36 PM, mike.lifeguard <mike.lifeguard@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Something similar happened at Wikibooks. We want a way to count the number
>> of books we have (as opposed to pages), and to list them. So Ramac and
>> Pietrodn wrote http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AllBooks, which
>> solves that problem quite well. The solution was rejected because it solves
>> the wrong problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> The real problem is that the software has no way of knowing what a book is
>> -
>> that is, there is no thing in the database identifying books. That is the
>> real problem, and once we solve it, we can implement many other solutions
>> to
>> problems which stem from that (some thoughts at
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mike.lifeguard/Wish_list). As
>> disappointing as that is for the Wikibooks community (and especially the
>> developers), it was the right choice. We should not implement an extension
>> just because it was written - that is what has been proposed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rejecting this solution is the correct course in this case because here too
>> the wrong problem is solved.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
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Is it so hard to accept that some people _might_ not
be as head-over-heels for Babel as you and have
concerns? You've done nothing but put down every
single concern raised. Why even bother asking for
input if your response to criticism must remain so
childish?

-Chad

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[Ray Saintonge]

Jesse Plamondon-Willard wrote:
> Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
>  
>> You are comparing apples with pears.
>>    
> It's a valid comparison when discussing whether we should specifically
> address the lack of fructose in one's diet by buying more apples, or
> buying a general basket of fruit.
>
>  
He could have used the usual idiom about comparing apples and oranges.  
IIRC apples and pears can be hybridized. ;-)

Ec

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