[Fwd: WMF wiki updates]

[Cary Bass-3]

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I have created [[MediaWiki:Blogtext]] and [[MediaWiki:Blog-url]] to the
WMF wiki.  Shall I wait until [[MediaWiki:Blogtext]] is translated into
multiple languages before I add this to the places where Jay is asking
me to?

Cary

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Subject: WMF wiki updates
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:02:14 -0700
From: Jay Walsh <jwalsh@...>
Reply-To: jwalsh@...
Organization: Wikimedia Foundation
To: Cary Bass <cbass@...>

Cary, when you get a chance please update the WMF wiki tool system.

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home

We still need a 'Wikimedia blog' link on the left-hand menu under 'about
wikimedia'

And at the very bottom of the page, in the bar with the 'A wikimedia
project'
logo, please also add a "Wikimedia blog" link between the "About Wikimedia
Foundation" and "Disclaimers" link.

Thanks!

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[Casey Brown-3]

Nope, because we don't translate sidebar elements on the Wikimedia
Foundation wiki (we probably should.... but that's for another day ;-)
).

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Cary Bass <cbass@...> wrote:

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>  I have created [[MediaWiki:Blogtext]] and [[MediaWiki:Blog-url]] to the
>  WMF wiki.  Shall I wait until [[MediaWiki:Blogtext]] is translated into
>  multiple languages before I add this to the places where Jay is asking
>  me to?
>
>  Cary
>
>  - -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject: WMF wiki updates
>  Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:02:14 -0700
>  From: Jay Walsh <jwalsh@...>
>  Reply-To: jwalsh@...
>  Organization: Wikimedia Foundation
>  To: Cary Bass <cbass@...>
>
>  Cary, when you get a chance please update the WMF wiki tool system.
>
>  http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
>
>  We still need a 'Wikimedia blog' link on the left-hand menu under 'about
>  wikimedia'
>
>  And at the very bottom of the page, in the bar with the 'A wikimedia
>  project'
>  logo, please also add a "Wikimedia blog" link between the "About Wikimedia
>  Foundation" and "Disclaimers" link.
>
>  Thanks!
>
>  - --
>  Jay Walsh
>  Head of Communications
>  WikimediaFoundation.org
>  [phone] x 609
>
>  - --
>  Cary Bass
>  Volunteer Coordinator
>
>  Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running! Support the Wikimedia
>  Foundation today: http://donate.wikimedia.org
>  Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>  Phone: [phone] x 601
>  Fax: [phone]
>
>  E-Mail: cary@...
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[Aphaia]

My answer is: go for it.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@...> wrote:
> Nope, because we don't translate sidebar elements on the Wikimedia
>  Foundation wiki (we probably should.... but that's for another day ;-)
>  ).

Since only registered users can be benefitted by localized interface
messages (there are ways to sneak it but we haven't implemented it).
And a i18n related MediaWiki extention was not on that site (you
remember Brion rejected). So translation is nice but interface
translation is no matter of us currently (sigh). We need to hack it
later.

>
>  On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Cary Bass <cbass@...> wrote:
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>  >  I have created [[MediaWiki:Blogtext]] and [[MediaWiki:Blog-url]] to the
>  >  WMF wiki.  Shall I wait until [[MediaWiki:Blogtext]] is translated into
>  >  multiple languages before I add this to the places where Jay is asking
>  >  me to?
>  >
>  >  Cary
>  >
>  >  - -------- Original Message --------
>  >  Subject: WMF wiki updates
>  >  Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:02:14 -0700
>  >  From: Jay Walsh <jwalsh@...>
>  >  Reply-To: jwalsh@...
>  >  Organization: Wikimedia Foundation
>  >  To: Cary Bass <cbass@...>
>  >
>  >  Cary, when you get a chance please update the WMF wiki tool system.
>  >
>  >  http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
>  >
>  >  We still need a 'Wikimedia blog' link on the left-hand menu under 'about
>  >  wikimedia'
>  >
>  >  And at the very bottom of the page, in the bar with the 'A wikimedia
>  >  project'
>  >  logo, please also add a "Wikimedia blog" link between the "About Wikimedia
>  >  Foundation" and "Disclaimers" link.
>  >
>  >  Thanks!
>  >
>  >  - --
>  >  Jay Walsh
>  >  Head of Communications
>  >  WikimediaFoundation.org
>  >  [phone] x 609
>  >
>  >  - --
>  >  Cary Bass
>  >  Volunteer Coordinator
>  >
>  >  Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running! Support the Wikimedia
>  >  Foundation today: http://donate.wikimedia.org
>  >  Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>  >  Phone: [phone] x 601
>  >  Fax: [phone]
>  >
>  >  E-Mail: cary@...
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[Casey Brown-3]

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Aphaia <aphaia@...> wrote:

>  On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@...> wrote:
>  > Nope, because we don't translate sidebar elements on the Wikimedia
>  >  Foundation wiki (we probably should.... but that's for another day ;-)
>  >  ).
>
>  Since only registered users can be benefitted by localized interface
>  messages (there are ways to sneak it but we haven't implemented it).
>  And a i18n related MediaWiki extention was not on that site (you
>  remember Brion rejected). So translation is nice but interface
>  translation is no matter of us currently (sigh). We need to hack it
>  later.
>

Hmm, I think we could manage it if we changed our {{***Lang}}
templates a little bit.  See for example what we do with Wikimania
2008 wiki: <http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> (try
clicking on the different language links and see what happens to the
interface).

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[Brianna Laugher]

2008/4/29 Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@...>:
>  Hmm, I think we could manage it if we changed our {{***Lang}}
>  templates a little bit.  See for example what we do with Wikimania
>  2008 wiki: <http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> (try
>  clicking on the different language links and see what happens to the
>  interface).

The problem with that is that unless you encode all links with
&uselang=XX, the interface will "jump" back to default (English) after
just one click. It could be argued that that effect is disorienting,
confusing and unexpected (there is no clear way to understand "what
you did" to make the localised text disappear, nor "how to get it
back").

So, IMO that is a very poor hack that is no substitute for a proper
solution. (We tried to confront this problem at Commons. :) No good
solution yet. More tech is needed.)

cheers,
Brianna

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[Jon Harald Søby]

On Betawiki we have the link encoding ?setlang= which changes the language until you setlang something else. But that doesn't work on other wikis, but would be a nice feature. Especially useful for Commons links from local projects.

2008/4/29 Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@...>:

2008/4/29 Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@...>:

>  Hmm, I think we could manage it if we changed our {{***Lang}}
>  templates a little bit.  See for example what we do with Wikimania
>  2008 wiki: <http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> (try
>  clicking on the different language links and see what happens to the
>  interface).

The problem with that is that unless you encode all links with
&uselang=XX, the interface will "jump" back to default (English) after
just one click. It could be argued that that effect is disorienting,
confusing and unexpected (there is no clear way to understand "what
you did" to make the localised text disappear, nor "how to get it
back").

So, IMO that is a very poor hack that is no substitute for a proper
solution. (We tried to confront this problem at Commons. :) No good
solution yet. More tech is needed.)

cheers,
Brianna

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[Casey Brown-3]

I completely agree, but I think that's actually what Brion denied
<http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12604>.  If someone
knows more about the extension and can sell it pretty well to Brion,
please do! :-)

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby@...> wrote:

> On Betawiki we have the link encoding ?setlang= which changes the language
> until you setlang something else. But that doesn't work on other wikis, but
> would be a nice feature. Especially useful for Commons links from local
> projects.
>
> 2008/4/29 Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@...>:
>
>
> > 2008/4/29 Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@...>:
> >
> > >  Hmm, I think we could manage it if we changed our {{***Lang}}
> > >  templates a little bit.  See for example what we do with Wikimania
> > >  2008 wiki: <http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> (try
> > >  clicking on the different language links and see what happens to the
> > >  interface).
> >
> > The problem with that is that unless you encode all links with
> > &uselang=XX, the interface will "jump" back to default (English) after
> > just one click. It could be argued that that effect is disorienting,
> > confusing and unexpected (there is no clear way to understand "what
> > you did" to make the localised text disappear, nor "how to get it
> > back").
> >
> > So, IMO that is a very poor hack that is no substitute for a proper
> > solution. (We tried to confront this problem at Commons. :) No good
> > solution yet. More tech is needed.)
> >
> > cheers,
> > Brianna
> >
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