[Fwd: Bug#484834: console-data: please drop trf (Turkish F layout) in the udeb]

[Mert Dirik]

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Konu: Bug#484834: console-data: please drop trf (Turkish F layout) in the udeb
Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:48:12 +0000, Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:48:15 +0000
Resent-From: Christian Perrier <bubulle@...>
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Tarih: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:56:21 +0200
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Package: console-data
Severity: wishlist
Tags: d-i

There are currently *two* Turkish keymaps proposed to users in
Debian Installer.

I think this is one too many..:-)

Do you think we can safely drop one between trf and trq?

All other languages have only one keymap proposed in D-I (except pt_BR
for which I asked the same question and fr, for which I'll remove the
extra keymap)

Please note that these keymaps are the *console* keymaps. However, the
default X keymap is derived from these ones:

- if users choose "trf" in D-I, they'll get a "tr" keymap in X with
"f" variant
- if users choose "trq" in D-I, they'll get a "tr" keymap in X with
"q" variant

Please also note that the default when choosing "Turkish" as language
is "trq"

As a consequence, I consider removing the trf keymap from
console-data udeb. Therefore, that keymap will no longer be offered in
D-I. It will still be available in the regular console-data package,
though.


Comments from the Turkish community ?





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[Recai Oktaş-2]

> Package: console-data
> Severity: wishlist
> Tags: d-i
>
> There are currently *two* Turkish keymaps proposed to users in
> Debian Installer.
>
> I think this is one too many..:-)
>
> Do you think we can safely drop one between trf and trq?

Absolutely no...

> All other languages have only one keymap proposed in D-I (except pt_BR
> for which I asked the same question and fr, for which I'll remove the
> extra keymap)

Christian, I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but trf/trq is a
completely different case and it would make no sense to compare the
situtation with pt_BR and fr.

> Please note that these keymaps are the *console* keymaps. However, the
> default X keymap is derived from these ones:
>
> - if users choose "trf" in D-I, they'll get a "tr" keymap in X with
> "f" variant
> - if users choose "trq" in D-I, they'll get a "tr" keymap in X with
> "q" variant
>
> Please also note that the default when choosing "Turkish" as language
> is "trq"
>
> As a consequence, I consider removing the trf keymap from
> console-data udeb. Therefore, that keymap will no longer be offered in
> D-I. It will still be available in the regular console-data package,
> though.

Note that, Turkish F is a different **layout** than Turkish Q.  It's not
just a 'variant' as misleadingly declared in X (perhaps for historical
reasons, which is something we should also change):

        http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Turkey_Keyboard

There are actually plenty of trf users in Turkey, especially in the
government offices.  So I strongly disagree with this proposal.

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roktas


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[Christian Perrier]

Quoting Recai Oktaş (roktas@...):

> There are actually plenty of trf users in Turkey, especially in the
> government offices.  So I strongly disagree with this proposal.


OK, that definitely closes the issue, then.

Hopefully, some day, the Turkish Standard Organization would
standardize one of those and push harder for adopting it. That would
be good as I think it's probably quite an awful nightmare to have two
different possible layouts in the same country for computers.

What is the most used of both ?

[Devrim Esenturk-2]

Christian Perrier wrote:

Quoting Recai Oktaş (roktas@...):

  

There are actually plenty of trf users in Turkey, especially in the
government offices.  So I strongly disagree with this proposal.
    

OK, that definitely closes the issue, then.

Hopefully, some day, the Turkish Standard Organization would
standardize one of those and push harder for adopting it. That would
be good as I think it's probably quite an awful nightmare to have two
different possible layouts in the same country for computers.

What is the most used of both ?


  

Most used is trq. But many schools teach trf for fast type writing and as Recai mentioned government uses that a lot.
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