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[DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Edward J. Yoon
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Dear Incubator PMC,
I've updated the Hama project proposal. Please review/update as needed and report back any concerns. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HamaProposal Hama has a strong relationship with the hadoop, hbase and mahout project, so i discussed about become a sub-project of these project for a long time with the each community. However, The sub-project was beset with difficulties. Hence the list of committers, etc. And now we all agree that the Hama should aim to general purpose rathen than it becomes a specified piece in something. http://www.nabble.com/-jira--Created%3A-%28MAHOUT-16%29-Hama-contrib-package-for-the-mahout-to15998717.html https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-2878 If you think this will make a good ASF project, please encourage our team members to create the world's largest matrix computational framework. Thanks. B. Regards, Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Grant Ingersoll-6
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On Mar 18, 2008, at 8:02 AM, edward yoon wrote: > Dear Incubator PMC, > I've updated the Hama project proposal. Please review/update as needed > and report back any concerns. > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HamaProposal > > Hama has a strong relationship with the hadoop, hbase and mahout > project, so i discussed about become a sub-project of these project > for a long time with the each community. However, The sub-project was > beset with difficulties. What's the issue w/ Hadoop sub project (I already know the Mahout discussion)? Do you have a mail thread reference? I'm not trying to push anything on the Hadoop PMC, but this logically seems to fit there in my mind as a subproject, but I suppose it could be a TLP as well. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Yonik Seeley
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This seems small enough in scope and so tied to Hadoop that it seems
like it should either just be part of one of the hadoop sub-projects or at a maximum, a hadoop sub-project of it's own. I see you opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-2878 what's the status of that? -Yonik On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:02 AM, edward yoon <edward@...> wrote: > Dear Incubator PMC, > I've updated the Hama project proposal. Please review/update as needed > and report back any concerns. > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HamaProposal > > Hama has a strong relationship with the hadoop, hbase and mahout > project, so i discussed about become a sub-project of these project > for a long time with the each community. However, The sub-project was > beset with difficulties. Hence the list of committers, etc. And now we > all agree that the Hama should aim to general purpose rathen than it > becomes a specified piece in something. > > http://www.nabble.com/-jira--Created%3A-%28MAHOUT-16%29-Hama-contrib-package-for-the-mahout-to15998717.html > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-2878 > > If you think this will make a good ASF project, please encourage our > team members to create the world's largest matrix computational > framework. > > Thanks. > B. Regards, > Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Edward J. Yoon
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> Do you have a mail thread reference?
> This seems small enough in scope and so tied to Hadoop that it seems > like it should either just be part of one of the hadoop sub-projects or > at a maximum, a hadoop sub-project of it's own. http://www.mail-archive.com/core-user@.../msg00136.html But, i much talked about it via private e-mail. They gave me a welcome, However, They also all share the need to make incubation progress. Thanks, Edward. On 3/19/08, Yonik Seeley <yonik@...> wrote: > This seems small enough in scope and so tied to Hadoop that it seems > like it should either just be part of one of the hadoop sub-projects or > at a maximum, a hadoop sub-project of it's own. > > I see you opened > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-2878 > what's the status of that? > > -Yonik > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:02 AM, edward yoon <edward@...> wrote: > > Dear Incubator PMC, > > I've updated the Hama project proposal. Please review/update as needed > > and report back any concerns. > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HamaProposal > > > > Hama has a strong relationship with the hadoop, hbase and mahout > > project, so i discussed about become a sub-project of these project > > for a long time with the each community. However, The sub-project was > > beset with difficulties. Hence the list of committers, etc. And now we > > all agree that the Hama should aim to general purpose rathen than it > > becomes a specified piece in something. > > > > http://www.nabble.com/-jira--Created%3A-%28MAHOUT-16%29-Hama-contrib-package-for-the-mahout-to15998717.html > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-2878 > > > > If you think this will make a good ASF project, please encourage our > > team members to create the world's largest matrix computational > > framework. > > > > Thanks. > > B. Regards, > > Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > -- B. Regards, Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Edward J. Yoon
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Thanks for your review.
Hmm. In fact, i was mentioned about it 1 years ago. If I knock on the hadoop but there is no answer. Can i re-open this incubation proposal? And, How long should i wait for the answer? Thanks, Edward. On 3/20/08, Otis Gospodnetic <otis_gospodnetic@...> wrote: > Edward, > > I was going to email you about this weeks ago, when I first saw this proposal. You are working in a vacuum too much, I think that's the main problem. You are mentioning private e-mails, and that doesn't sound right. Bring this up in the open on core-dev@hadoop and state what you'd like. I, like Yonik and Grant, feel that this fits very well under Hadoop, either as a sub-project or a simply a contrib. > > I *believe* that if you go the sub-project route, and especially if you simply make Hama a Hadoop contrib, no incubation is necessary, as long as Hadoop PMC welcomes the code. Much simpler. > > Otis > -- > Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: edward yoon <edward@...> > To: general@... > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:02:23 PM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal > > > Do you have a mail thread reference? > > > This seems small enough in scope and so tied to Hadoop that it seems > > like it should either just be part of one of the hadoop sub-projects or > > at a maximum, a hadoop sub-project of it's own. > > http://www.mail-archive.com/core-user@.../msg00136.html > > But, i much talked about it via private e-mail. > They gave me a welcome, However, They also all share the need to make > incubation progress. > > Thanks, > Edward. > > On 3/19/08, Yonik Seeley <yonik@...> wrote: > > This seems small enough in scope and so tied to Hadoop that it seems > > like it should either just be part of one of the hadoop sub-projects or > > at a maximum, a hadoop sub-project of it's own. > > > > I see you opened > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-2878 > > what's the status of that? > > > > -Yonik > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:02 AM, edward yoon <edward@...> wrote: > > > Dear Incubator PMC, > > > I've updated the Hama project proposal. Please review/update as needed > > > and report back any concerns. > > > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HamaProposal > > > > > > Hama has a strong relationship with the hadoop, hbase and mahout > > > project, so i discussed about become a sub-project of these project > > > for a long time with the each community. However, The sub-project was > > > beset with difficulties. Hence the list of committers, etc. And now we > > > all agree that the Hama should aim to general purpose rathen than it > > > becomes a specified piece in something. > > > > > > http://www.nabble.com/-jira--Created%3A-%28MAHOUT-16%29-Hama-contrib-package-for-the-mahout-to15998717.html > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-2878 > > > > > > If you think this will make a good ASF project, please encourage our > > > team members to create the world's largest matrix computational > > > framework. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > B. Regards, > > > Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > > > > > > -- > B. Regards, > Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > -- B. Regards, Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Bertrand Delacretaz
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On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, edward yoon <edward@...> wrote:
> ... If I knock on the hadoop but there is no answer. Can i re-open this > incubation proposal?... I don't see why there would be no answer, but yes, nothing prevents you from reopening this proposal later if needed. Given that three Lucene PMC members expressed concerns in this thread, though, I guess we'd want to have their opinion before going any further. -Bertrand --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Edward J. Yoon
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Thanks very much, Bertand.
I don't see why there is no answer, but i will wait some more. http://www.nabble.com/Hama-contribution-td16168912.html See you next week. Thanks, Edward. On 3/20/08, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@...> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, edward yoon <edward@...> wrote: > > > ... If I knock on the hadoop but there is no answer. Can i re-open this > > incubation proposal?... > > I don't see why there would be no answer, but yes, nothing prevents > you from reopening this proposal later if needed. > > Given that three Lucene PMC members expressed concerns in this thread, > though, I guess we'd want to have their opinion before going any > further. > > -Bertrand > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > -- B. Regards, Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Edward J. Yoon
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Dear IPMC,
I´m still waiting for hadoop's answer, but IMO, I would like to continue to discuss this. Apache (incubator) Pig project is built on top of Hadoop, but it is not a hadoop sub-project. Each different concept of project has inherently different characteristics for its domain, so by knowing the concept of project, we can get a clear view of their project. I think hama applies in this case, too. Thanks, Edward. On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:51 AM, edward yoon <edward@...> wrote: > Thanks very much, Bertand. > > I don't see why there is no answer, but i will wait some more. > > http://www.nabble.com/Hama-contribution-td16168912.html > > See you next week. > > Thanks, > Edward. > > > On 3/20/08, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@...> wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, edward yoon <edward@...> wrote: > > > > > ... If I knock on the hadoop but there is no answer. Can i re-open this > > > incubation proposal?... > > > > I don't see why there would be no answer, but yes, nothing prevents > > you from reopening this proposal later if needed. > > > > Given that three Lucene PMC members expressed concerns in this thread, > > though, I guess we'd want to have their opinion before going any > > further. > > > > -Bertrand > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > > > > > > -- > > B. Regards, > Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. > -- B. Regards, Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Grant Ingersoll-6
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On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:56 AM, edward yoon wrote: > Dear IPMC, > > I´m still waiting for hadoop's answer, but IMO, I would like to > continue to discuss this. > Apache (incubator) Pig project is built on top of Hadoop, but it is > not a hadoop sub-project. > > Each different concept of project has inherently different > characteristics for its domain, > so by knowing the concept of project, we can get a clear view of > their project. > I think hama applies in this case, too. Seems reasonable to bring it back here at this point, since Hadoop has not responded. Can you fill in the background on the 4 proposed committers a bit? Do you all work together or not? It's not clear from the proposal, as it seems to suggest that you don't (Homogenous Devs section), but then later in the Reliance on Salaried Devs it suggests that you 3 of you do, but it may just be I am misreading the proposal. -Grant --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Edward J. Yoon
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Thank you very much for your advice.
I was going to fix that. Last year I worked as a full-time open source developer at R&D center at NHN (search service company) for hadoop and hbase, and now i worked for development projects in real service areas. Some (minchang, changhee) are my fellow workers, Others { chanwit (Student), yongho (TMAX software, database company), taehui (KRIBB, biomedical government research center) } are came from hadoop community. -- == Homogenous Developers == The current list of committers includes developers from several different companies ( NHN, corp, TMAX software, Korea Research Institute of Bioscience and Biotechnology, Students) plus many independent volunteers. The committers are geographically distributed across the Europe, and Asia. They are experienced with working in a distributed environment. == Reliance on Salaried Developers == It is expected that Hama development will occur on both salaried time and on volunteer time, after hours. While there is reliance on salaried developers (currently from NHN, corp, but it's expected that other company's salaried developers will also be involved), the Hama Community is very active and things should balance out fairly quickly. In the meantime, NHN, corp will support the project in the future by dedicating 'work time' to Hama, so that there is a smooth transition. Thanks, Edward. On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Grant Ingersoll <gsingers@...> wrote: > > On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:56 AM, edward yoon wrote: > > > Dear IPMC, > > > > I´m still waiting for hadoop's answer, but IMO, I would like to > > continue to discuss this. > > Apache (incubator) Pig project is built on top of Hadoop, but it is > > not a hadoop sub-project. > > > > Each different concept of project has inherently different > > characteristics for its domain, > > so by knowing the concept of project, we can get a clear view of > > their project. > > I think hama applies in this case, too. > > Seems reasonable to bring it back here at this point, since Hadoop has > not responded. > > Can you fill in the background on the 4 proposed committers a bit? Do > you all work together or not? It's not clear from the proposal, as it > seems to suggest that you don't (Homogenous Devs section), but then > later in the Reliance on Salaried Devs it suggests that you 3 of you > do, but it may just be I am misreading the proposal. > > -Grant > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > -- B. Regards, Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Edward J. Yoon
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Dear IPMC,
I'd like to know what's going on in the proposal. If there isn't any problem, I would assume this could be encouraged further to vote. -- B. Regards, Edward J. Yoon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Grant Ingersoll-6
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+1 on bringing this into incubation. I think it still needs a mentor
and I am also concerned about lack of interest from Hadoop, but they have their own fish to fry, as they say, and it shouldn't stop this from going forward. I think it will be useful in Mahout, if there are Java APIs exposed. -Grant On Mar 25, 2008, at 11:29 PM, edward yoon wrote: > Thank you very much for your advice. > I was going to fix that. > > Last year I worked as a full-time open source developer at R&D center > at NHN (search service company) for hadoop and hbase, and now i worked > for development projects in real service areas. Some (minchang, > changhee) are my fellow workers, Others { chanwit (Student), yongho > (TMAX software, database company), taehui (KRIBB, biomedical > government research center) } are came from hadoop community. > > -- > == Homogenous Developers == > > The current list of committers includes developers from several > different companies ( NHN, corp, TMAX software, Korea Research > Institute of Bioscience and Biotechnology, Students) plus many > independent volunteers. The committers are geographically distributed > across the Europe, and Asia. They are experienced with working in a > distributed environment. > > == Reliance on Salaried Developers == > > It is expected that Hama development will occur on both salaried time > and on volunteer time, after hours. While there is reliance on > salaried developers (currently from NHN, corp, but it's expected that > other company's salaried developers will also be involved), the Hama > Community is very active and things should balance out fairly quickly. > In the meantime, NHN, corp will support the project in the future by > dedicating 'work time' to Hama, so that there is a smooth transition. > > > Thanks, > Edward. > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Grant Ingersoll > <gsingers@...> wrote: >> >> On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:56 AM, edward yoon wrote: >> >>> Dear IPMC, >>> >>> I´m still waiting for hadoop's answer, but IMO, I would like to >>> continue to discuss this. >>> Apache (incubator) Pig project is built on top of Hadoop, but it is >>> not a hadoop sub-project. >>> >>> Each different concept of project has inherently different >>> characteristics for its domain, >>> so by knowing the concept of project, we can get a clear view of >>> their project. >>> I think hama applies in this case, too. >> >> Seems reasonable to bring it back here at this point, since Hadoop >> has >> not responded. >> >> Can you fill in the background on the 4 proposed committers a bit? >> Do >> you all work together or not? It's not clear from the proposal, as >> it >> seems to suggest that you don't (Homogenous Devs section), but then >> later in the Reliance on Salaried Devs it suggests that you 3 of you >> do, but it may just be I am misreading the proposal. >> >> -Grant >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... >> >> > > > > -- > B. Regards, > Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. -------------------------- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucenebootcamp.com Next Training: April 7, 2008 at ApacheCon Europe in Amsterdam Lucene Helpful Hints: http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/BasicsOfPerformance http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/LuceneFAQ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Min Cha
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As I mentioned before, I think the collaboration of Hama and Mahout is very
effective and beautiful. I think it will be useful in Mahout, if there are Java APIs exposed. -> Maybe, we could provide more things as well as Java APIs. As time goes by, moreover, Hama will need a smart user as Hahout because good feedbacks make a good software. :) Cheers! p.s Grant, thinks for your interest to Hama. 2008/3/28, Grant Ingersoll <gsingers@...>: > > +1 on bringing this into incubation. I think it still needs a mentor > and I am also concerned about lack of interest from Hadoop, but they > have their own fish to fry, as they say, and it shouldn't stop this > from going forward. > > I think it will be useful in Mahout, if there are Java APIs exposed. > > -Grant > > > On Mar 25, 2008, at 11:29 PM, edward yoon wrote: > > > Thank you very much for your advice. > > I was going to fix that. > > > > Last year I worked as a full-time open source developer at R&D center > > at NHN (search service company) for hadoop and hbase, and now i worked > > for development projects in real service areas. Some (minchang, > > changhee) are my fellow workers, Others { chanwit (Student), yongho > > (TMAX software, database company), taehui (KRIBB, biomedical > > government research center) } are came from hadoop community. > > > > -- > > == Homogenous Developers == > > > > The current list of committers includes developers from several > > different companies ( NHN, corp, TMAX software, Korea Research > > Institute of Bioscience and Biotechnology, Students) plus many > > independent volunteers. The committers are geographically distributed > > across the Europe, and Asia. They are experienced with working in a > > distributed environment. > > > > == Reliance on Salaried Developers == > > > > It is expected that Hama development will occur on both salaried time > > and on volunteer time, after hours. While there is reliance on > > salaried developers (currently from NHN, corp, but it's expected that > > other company's salaried developers will also be involved), the Hama > > Community is very active and things should balance out fairly quickly. > > In the meantime, NHN, corp will support the project in the future by > > dedicating 'work time' to Hama, so that there is a smooth transition. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Edward. > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Grant Ingersoll > > <gsingers@...> wrote: > >> > >> On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:56 AM, edward yoon wrote: > >> > >>> Dear IPMC, > >>> > >>> I´m still waiting for hadoop's answer, but IMO, I would like to > >>> continue to discuss this. > >>> Apache (incubator) Pig project is built on top of Hadoop, but it is > >>> not a hadoop sub-project. > >>> > >>> Each different concept of project has inherently different > >>> characteristics for its domain, > >>> so by knowing the concept of project, we can get a clear view of > >>> their project. > >>> I think hama applies in this case, too. > >> > >> Seems reasonable to bring it back here at this point, since Hadoop > >> has > >> not responded. > >> > >> Can you fill in the background on the 4 proposed committers a bit? > >> Do > >> you all work together or not? It's not clear from the proposal, as > >> it > >> seems to suggest that you don't (Homogenous Devs section), but then > >> later in the Reliance on Salaried Devs it suggests that you 3 of you > >> do, but it may just be I am misreading the proposal. > >> > >> -Grant > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > B. Regards, > > Edward yoon @ NHN, corp. > > > -------------------------- > Grant Ingersoll > http://www.lucenebootcamp.com > Next Training: April 7, 2008 at ApacheCon Europe in Amsterdam > > Lucene Helpful Hints: > http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/BasicsOfPerformance > http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/LuceneFAQ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > |
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
by Edward J. Yoon
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Dear Grant, Thanks for your +1.
I feel with you about your mention of the "lack of interest from Hadoop", but I think that shouldn't be a problem; we can communicate with hadoop people in real time if we need. BTW, I wonder whether mentor is badly needed. Someone please reply to me. Thanks. On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Grant Ingersoll <gsingers@...> wrote: > +1 on bringing this into incubation. I think it still needs a mentor > and I am also concerned about lack of interest from Hadoop, but they > have their own fish to fry, as they say, and it shouldn't stop this > from going forward. > > I think it will be useful in Mahout, if there are Java |
