[Bug 4239] New: Xfce by default has no terminal option in the desktop

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           Summary: Xfce by default has no terminal option in the desktop
           Product: Xfce
           Version: unknown
          Platform: PC (x86)
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: Medium
         Component: general
        AssignedTo: xfce-bugs@...
        ReportedBy: gregorypierce@...


If you are starting from a server distro (say ubuntu server) and you install
the distro xfce4 and gdm, what will happen is that you will get a happily
running distro with NO way to stop the xfce desktop and no way to get to a
terminal so that you can add more functionality to it (like the terminal which
is packaged separately) leaving you with a pretty busted desktop unless you can
determine the IP address of the machine. If the machine is part of a server
farm (on a virtual server) - good luck with that since you can't get to the
terminal to do ifconfig or anything else.

If xterm is available - add THAT to the menu.
If there is a way to stop the window manager and that to the logout screen.
There is no way to stop it :(


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jasper@... changed:

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------- Comment #1 from jasper@...  2008-07-21 13:21 UTC -------
1 - Talk to your distro, they need to configure Xfce correctly. There is a
terminal entry in the default Xfce menu.

2 - What do you mean, there's no way to stop it? You mean other than log
out/restart/shutdown? Why should there be?

3 - You can always do Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a console login prompt, isn't it?

4 - You can run anything you want by choosing 'Run program...' from the menu,
or pressing Alt-F2.

I'm sorry, but I don't see how this is a bug in Xfce. Feel free to reopen it if
you don't agree (but please do explain why ;-).


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------- Comment #2 from pollux@...  2008-07-21 13:39 UTC -------
*** Bug 4238 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***


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------- Comment #3 from gregorypierce@...  2008-07-21 15:25 UTC -------
1) The distro doesn't install XFCE - it is installed by the user using apt-get.
I'm assuming that the Xfce project is the one that architects the apt
repository. If that is incorrect then I will file this as a bug with the apt
team.

2) You can log out, restart, and shutdown and when you do you will get back to
the same situation as gdm will start xfce as soon as the machine is ready.

3) Is a valid solution for people who know something about Linux and don't rely
on the desktop as most users do.

4) Again, if the functionality is there to actually open a terminal in the
downloaded Xfce, how would a person know this when the install the core
application from apt? When you right click on the desktop you will get
{Settings, Accessories, Network, Help, About, Quit}. Nothing in settings
addresses it, nothing in accessories talks about the terminal/xterm etc (so to
the user - does it exist?), Network speaks to Lynx which is an application that
is called out - so why wouldn't terminal be called out - lynx is of far less
importance than being able to get to the command line, etc.

So that's why I don't agree. Functionality for the terminal should be obvious
and accessible. The only way to get terminal to show up is to download another
apt package and if you don't grab that one by default you are left with a
situation that a novice/normal user will be lost in because they won't see a
clear way to get back to a terminal to remedy the problem. I can certainly
understand that you may disagree, but this is low-hanging fruit that would make
life MUCH easier for people who are unfamiliar with Xfce or Linux in general.


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------- Comment #4 from pollux@...  2008-07-21 16:13 UTC -------
(In reply to comment #3)
> 1) The distro doesn't install XFCE - it is installed by the user using apt-get.
> I'm assuming that the Xfce project is the one that architects the apt
> repository. If that is incorrect then I will file this as a bug with the apt
> team.

You are indeed wrong. The apt-get repository is build by your distribution. The
Xfce project only provides tarballs containing the sources file (sometimes some
rpm packages too).

If you're not happy about what your distribution installs when you apt-get
install Xfce see with them. There is nothing the Xfce Team can do for you
except presenting some ways to reach a terminal like Jasper did.


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