[Bug 1408] IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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[Bug 1408] IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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           Summary: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.1.0
          Platform: All
               URL: http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=2177
        OS/Version: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: Folders/IMAP
        AssignedTo: claws-mail-users@...
        ReportedBy: aklitzing@...


I wanted to request IDLE-Support for IMAP since the new version of libEtPan
supports it (see bug #22).

I don't like to poll every X minutes Y folders on server to check if a mail
arrived. I like to see a real-time notify of a new mail in any folder
(server-side filtering).

I often have claws-mail in background and my mail-checker (gnubiff with
IDLE-Support) notifys a new mail in my INBOX. It would be nice if the mail is
already in INBOX in claws-mail, too. Without to check the folders in claws
again.

Thanks!
André


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #1 from drzeus-bugzilla@...  2008-01-08 09:49 -------
+1

This is one of the very few things I lack in Claws.


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #2 from claws.10.dimsea@...  2008-02-06 15:49 -------
+1 from me, too.

Is someone already working on this or is no developer interested in it?


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #3 from colin@...  2008-02-06 15:56 -------
From what I know, no developer's interested until now.


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #4 from gaul@...  2008-02-25 09:08 -------
+1

...the only missing feature that prevents me (and perhaps others somewhere out
in space) from using claws.


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #5 from colin@...  2008-07-05 15:52 -------
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Hi,
It looks like nobody has been interested in implementing this feature since the
end of 2007; in order to clean up the bugzilla, I'm marking this WONTFIX.

Features in Claws Mail get implemented on a developer-interest basis: if one of
the core developers codes a feature, or if an external contributor provides a
good patch, the feature gets added. If the feature interests nobody with coding
abilities, although it seems nicer to leave old requests lingering in Bugzilla
and let the submitter hope the feature will be added someday, it's more honest
(and cleaner) to close them as WONTFIX.


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #6 from colin@...  2008-10-06 20:09 -------
*** Bug 1748 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #7 from higuita@...  2008-10-07 02:36 -------
i also would like the idle feature support :)

lets try to hook some developer to do this: a bounty

I will offer 30¤ to someone that makes a patch to add this to claws

the IDLE must work, follow the claws coding style, and of course, be a account
option (we might not need to be connect all the time to all imap accounts)

as i dont have paypal, i would pay via international transfer (IBAN needed)...
pay for some gift would also be ok for me

any volunters or more bounties?  :)

higuita


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #8 from colin@...  2008-10-07 13:31 -------
(In reply to comment #7)

> I will offer 30¤ to someone that makes a patch to add this to claws

I'm not sure whether offering bounties to motivate developers is a good idea or
not. It seems like a good idea, at first sight, but this could well end badly
for the project, where no one does anything without getting paid for it. I do
think that'd be unhealthy.

And a 30¤ bounty has the second disadvantage of being mildly insulting -- that
covers at most 2 to 3 hours of work at a correct wage.

So all in all, I don't think bounties are a good idea :)


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #9 from gerard.seibert@...  2008-10-07 14:14 -------
(In reply to comment #8)
> (In reply to comment #7)
>
> > I will offer 30¤ to someone that makes a patch to add this to claws
>
> I'm not sure whether offering bounties to motivate developers is a good idea or
> not. It seems like a good idea, at first sight, but this could well end badly
> for the project, where no one does anything without getting paid for it. I do
> think that'd be unhealthy.

I somewhat disagree. People need motivation. Money is a great motivator.

> And a 30¤ bounty has the second disadvantage of being mildly insulting -- that
> covers at most 2 to 3 hours of work at a correct wage.

Obviously, you would have a much better idea of the time frame we are talking
about here. However, if the job only took 10 minutes, not hours, the pay scale
would be quite attractive.

> So all in all, I don't think bounties are a good idea :)

I believe the problem here is with the word "bounty". If we change it to
"inducement" or something similar, I think it would be more palatable.


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #10 from paul@...  2008-10-07 14:17 -------
Why offer cash to a potentially one-time developer when there are several
people who have given up extended periods of their life for this project?

Donations to the team are welcome, as long as they come with no strings
attached, and are a thank you rather than a request.


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #11 from hoa@...  2008-10-07 14:21 -------
Hello,

A useful implementation of IDLE is more than 10 minutes, even using libetpan.
It seems that developers of claws mail have other priorities but you already
know this.
Even with IDLE, the mail application will poll every 30 minutes.
For information IDLE is being deprecated by IMAP NOTIFY since IMAP IDLE is not
sufficient.
I will consider it a loss of time to implement IMAP NOTIFY (but that's my own
opinion).

Regards,


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #12 from colin@...  2008-10-07 14:22 -------
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> I somewhat disagree. People need motivation. Money is a great motivator.

Yes, and that's why we go to work every day :)
But I doubt any amount of bounties or inducements would allow any of us to earn
a living out of Claws, which means that if money replaces the fun, Claws Mail
would essentially be dead.


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[Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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------- Comment #13 from subscript@...  2008-10-07 14:39 -------
Of course, those considerations worth for amounts below 100,000 bucks :-). I
accept paypal payments, BTW.


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------- Comment #14 from m0e@...  2008-10-07 15:11 -------
Hello DINH Viêt Hoà,

> Even with IDLE, the mail application will poll every 30 minutes.

I don't understand, why should claws do this?

> IDLE is being deprecated by IMAP NOTIFY

I've never heard about IMAP NOTIFY nor I've found a RFC describing this. Could
you give me an hint, what IMAP NOTIFY is, or where details are found?


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------- Comment #15 from hoa@...  2008-10-07 16:40 -------
>> Even with IDLE, the mail application will poll every 30 minutes.
>
> I don't understand, why should claws do this?

Because IMAP IDLE RFC tells to do this.

IMAP NOTIFY :

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-notify-07


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Re: [Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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Hi again

Please dont get me wrong, i already donate to claws devs and the bounty
was to try to catch any new developer, not really to the core devs, as
they already said they didnt want to do it.

Of course, my previous donation had no strings attached, other than to
say "Thanks". :)

As for the value, i have totally no idea the amount of work required, but
as it is already in the libetpan, i was guessing it would not be a big
work :)

i was also expecting other to pull forward and increase the bounty ;)


i may not even need this feature, i'm just looking for a way to my work
exchange server to not drop the connection... in the exchange, it takes a
LONG time to authenticate and even with with auto-check in 1 minute, it
keeps disconnecting...its very annoying to wait for the re-logon to be
able to read a email

i suspect a problem in exchange (as even with the noop, the exchange
disconnects), and AFAIK, IDLE enables a keep-alive in the imap
connection, so i would hope that would solve the problem... i dont really
want the new email notification, i just want to keep connected :)


by the way, i dont believe in instantaneous new email notification,
email is not IM and even local mail servers take a moment to deliver
email... a sane server will cope with polling every few minutes...

Sadly, exchange is not one sane server, but that is exchange
owners problem, if they dont like it, dont buy exchange... or buy
more hardware to cope with the load.
my work exchange server would be dead 2 years ago if someone had
the decency to ear me ;)

thanks
higuita
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Re: [Bug 1408] Re: IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)

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Le Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:24:24 +0100 07 Oct 2008 at 23h10, higuita a écrit:

Hi,

> Please dont get me wrong, i already donate to claws devs and the
> bounty was to try to catch any new developer, not really to the core
> devs, as they already said they didnt want to do it.

That's what's surprising :)
Anyway, I don't think the IMAP code is a warmy, comfy place for any
potential new developer.
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