[1.2RC2] bake, flash and my nerves

[Christophe-21]

Hi,

I've noticed that with bake, the flash method generated is cake 1.1
not 1.2, therefore the flash doesn't work at all.
we have to create session, then change the flash method.

Furthermore, the weak point of this RC2 is truly bake. So many bugs,
that I can't understand how you make it a RC2. Compared with rails and
symphony (personally I don't like so much symphony), the CLI of bake
is a shame!

my 2 cents. This is not meant to be aggressive, because I truly enjoy
cake spirit.

So don't be in a hurry, this kind of shit can break cake dynamics and
please document this kind of bugs in the cake book. And also document
bake using, because I have to spend time watching some screencasts to
see bake features.

There's something, I'd like to add, there's 2 kinds of scaffolding,

- one is static (this is done actually by saying that you don't want
scaffolding and you want to do some interactive generation), this will
generate model, controller with specific CRUD actions either admin
routed or not

- one is dynamic (when you say in bake that you want scaffolding),
this is interesting at the very early beginning of application design
for example to make proofs of feasibility for clients after you prefer
static scaffolding to provide a good point of start for your webapp
design (the one I mentioned before)

The static one is far more interesting, IMHO

Alas, in bake there is a confusion between the two, I think that you
should make the distinction clearly for user sake. Ask for dynamic/
static/no scaffolding, it will save user neurons.

There is also a missing stuff in cake RC2, it seems that TestUnits are
not provided by default.

There is also many other troubles like the database.php that is not
generated when you use bake -project to create a new project...
Session not generated...

RC2 is too far optimistic, please document missing features and
mistakes, I'd like to see in docs how it works and not how it will
work! I don't care of future I'm living in present.


BR,
David

pushing in the good way.
I wish I could bake at work, but I just rails!

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[Gwoo-2]

bake is just one piece of Cake. https://trac.cakephp.org/ has all the
information regarding fixed and outstanding bugs. Please feel free to
compare the bug list of RC2 with symfony, CI, or Zend.

As far as bake, The flash method generated by bake will work in 1.2
and in 1.1. If you want setFlash you can have that too, just make sure
you chose to use sessions.
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[Christophe-21]

well the redirection isn't working in my system! and the session setup
failed because of a memory failure in bake. I'm truly not lucky.

Note that I'm using cake in windows, mac and debian environments and I
wish to push cake to excellence or simply working straight as it's
understandable.
The generated flash method in 1.2RC2 is done as 1.1 and there's no
redirection.

Bake is a must have masterpiece to take care, or at least to grow.
it's like a hammer.
Cake can't compete if bake is rotten and furthermore if there's no db
migration as with rake in ruby.

On Jul 30, 10:49 pm, Gwoo <gwoo.cake...@...> wrote:
> bake is just one piece of Cake.https://trac.cakephp.org/has all the
> information regarding fixed and outstanding bugs. Please feel free to
> compare the bug list of RC2 with symfony, CI, or Zend.
>
> As far as bake, The flash method generated by bake will work in 1.2
> and in 1.1. If you want setFlash you can have that too, just make sure
> you chose to use sessions.

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[Chris Hartjes-2]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Cakee <pppswing@...> wrote:
>
> Bake is a must have masterpiece to take care, or at least to grow.
> it's like a hammer.
> Cake can't compete if bake is rotten and furthermore if there's no db
> migration as with rake in ruby.

*sigh*

I don't understand why people bother making posts like that.  That's
right, insulting the developers who created bake is going to motivate
them to make it better.  I know it sure makes me want to bend over
backwards to make random_whining_developer@... happy.

--
Chris Hartjes
Motto for 2008: "Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes..."
@TheKeyBoard: http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard

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[Christophe-21]

I'm just saying that bake isn't so well documented, as it deserved to
be, few screencasts are available mostly without sound,
then I think that bake is quite buggy for a RC2.

This is not insulting developers to say that they should push forward
efforts to make bake simply work.

Then I can whine as I want, look at posts from users trying to use
cake. I'm not the one to blame.
I said that cake was a good thing, but tagging RC2 is like selling
bicast instead of Louis Vuitton,
that will make newcomers ran away from cake and I'm sad about it!

You can sell shit once, rarely twice. The API is very good, the bake
generation sucks.
And few people will go and read the API if the bake automation isn't
running properly.

Because people will try to learn through tutorials,
they' ll be stuck because they can't use bake and they won't use cake
because their enthusiasm will drop sharply.

I would insult people that have spaghetti coded OScommerce, not the
ones who are developing cake.
Cake in itself is correcting major drawbacks of RoR, but poor and
buggy CLI will make cake poppin', that's just a big warning.

Developers are seeking for automation, without bake, cake will pop.


BR,
David

On Jul 31, 1:45 am, "Chris Hartjes" <chart...@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Cakee <pppsw...@...> wrote:
>
> > Bake is a must have masterpiece to take care, or at least to grow.
> > it's like a hammer.
> > Cake can't compete if bake is rotten and furthermore if there's no db
> > migration as with rake in ruby.
>
> *sigh*
>
> I don't understand why people bother making posts like that.  That's
> right, insulting the developers who created bake is going to motivate
> them to make it better.  I know it sure makes me want to bend over
> backwards to make random_whining_develo...@... happy.
>
> --
> Chris Hartjes
> Motto for 2008: "Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes..."
> @TheKeyBoard:http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard

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[Jonathan Snook-2]

> I'm just saying that bake isn't so well documented, as it deserved to
> be, few screencasts are available mostly without sound,
> then I think that bake is quite buggy for a RC2.

I think it's important to document what you find buggy and create
tickets in Trac for that. I use bake on occasion and haven't run into
any issues.

I do agree on your point about the use of "scaffold" as a term since
it means two different things (ie: "let me do all the basic stuff for
you" vs "let me set up the basic stuff like you'd get if you used
scaffold".

Merci beaucoup.

-Jonathan Snook

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[efournier]

On Jul 30, 8:49 pm, Cakee <pppsw...@...> wrote:

> I'm just saying that bake isn't so well documented, as it deserved to
> be, few screencasts are available mostly without sound,
> then I think that bake is quite buggy for a RC2.
>
> This is not insulting developers to say that they should push forward
> efforts to make bake simply work.
>
> Then I can whine as I want, look at posts from users trying to use
> cake. I'm not the one to blame.
> I said that cake was a good thing, but tagging RC2 is like selling
> bicast instead of Louis Vuitton,
> that will make newcomers ran away from cake and I'm sad about it!
>
> You can sell shit once, rarely twice. The API is very good, the bake
> generation sucks.
> And few people will go and read the API if the bake automation isn't
> running properly.
>
> Because people will try to learn through tutorials,
> they' ll be stuck because they can't use bake and they won't use cake
> because their enthusiasm will drop sharply.
>
> I would insult people that have spaghetti coded OScommerce, not the
> ones who are developing cake.
> Cake in itself is correcting major drawbacks of RoR, but poor and
> buggy CLI will make cake poppin', that's just a big warning.
>
> Developers are seeking for automation, without bake, cake will pop.
>
> BR,
> David
>
> On Jul 31, 1:45 am, "Chris Hartjes" <chart...@...> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Cakee <pppsw...@...> wrote:
>
> > > Bake is a must have masterpiece to take care, or at least to grow.
> > > it's like a hammer.
> > > Cake can't compete if bake is rotten and furthermore if there's no db
> > > migration as with rake in ruby.
>
> > *sigh*
>
> > I don't understand why people bother making posts like that.  That's
> > right, insulting the developers who created bake is going to motivate
> > them to make it better.  I know it sure makes me want to bend over
> > backwards to make random_whining_develo...@... happy.
>
> > --
> > Chris Hartjes
> > Motto for 2008: "Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes..."
> > @TheKeyBoard:http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard

Maybe you should submit a patch or two.  Your post really comes off
the wrong way. You might want to consider how you respond if this type
of criticism were directed at/to your work. In the past I have seen
people treated harshly for posts of this nature but this time I think
the group is being overly kind.

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[mark_story]

On Jul 30, 8:49 pm, Cakee <pppsw...@...> wrote:

> I'm just saying that bake isn't so well documented, as it deserved to
> be, few screencasts are available mostly without sound,
> then I think that bake is quite buggy for a RC2.
>
> This is not insulting developers to say that they should push forward
> efforts to make bake simply work.
>
> Then I can whine as I want, look at posts from users trying to use
> cake. I'm not the one to blame.
> I said that cake was a good thing, but tagging RC2 is like selling
> bicast instead of Louis Vuitton,
> that will make newcomers ran away from cake and I'm sad about it!
>
> You can sell shit once, rarely twice. The API is very good, the bake
> generation sucks.
> And few people will go and read the API if the bake automation isn't
> running properly.
>
> Because people will try to learn through tutorials,
> they' ll be stuck because they can't use bake and they won't use cake
> because their enthusiasm will drop sharply.
>
> I would insult people that have spaghetti coded OScommerce, not the
> ones who are developing cake.
> Cake in itself is correcting major drawbacks of RoR, but poor and
> buggy CLI will make cake poppin', that's just a big warning.
>
> Developers are seeking for automation, without bake, cake will pop.
>
> BR,
> David

I have to agree with snook here.  If you have things you want
implemented in bake or documentation you feel is missing please make
tickets in trac. http://trac.cakephp.org  That way we can address your
concerns properly.  Providing use cases or examples of how you expect
things to work is even better as it makes for less interpretation.

-Mark
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