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"Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?I applied for the second time for Alamy's quality control, and all my photos were rejected again with the same comment: "Soft or lacking definition" Two of them have an additional comment "Interpolation artifacts"
I thought I found the sharpest 7 MP photos and scaled them %154 to their minimum limits with Genuine Fractals, but I used default settings of GF, I wonder if I had to finetune its settings. I will appriciate your help very much. Have I missed some tricks or do I have to forget Alamy until getting a great DSLR? Below you will see photos rejected by Alamy and accepted by Photoshelter collection: http://psc.photoshelter.com/image/PSC000875809 Soft or lacking definition Interpolation artifacts http://psc.photoshelter.com/image/PSC000875904 Soft or lacking definition Interpolation artifacts http://psc.photoshelter.com/image/PSC000843051 Soft or lacking definition (accepted by the first submission, rejected by the second) Kemal Eksen http://my.photoshelter.com/kemaleksen http://www.gp724.com/kemaleksen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ |
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Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?All three look soft. I don't see interpolation problems, though.
Did you use AF on these or focus manually? Lou Neal --- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Kemal Eksen <kemaleksen@...> wrote: > > I applied for the second time for Alamy's quality control, and all my photos were rejected again with the same comment: "Soft or lacking definition" Two of them have an additional comment "Interpolation artifacts" > > I thought I found the sharpest 7 MP photos and scaled them %154 to their minimum limits with Genuine Fractals, but I used default settings of GF, I wonder if I had to finetune its settings. I will appriciate your help very much. Have I missed some tricks or do I have to forget Alamy until getting a great DSLR? > > Below you will see photos rejected by Alamy and accepted by Photoshelter collection: > http://psc.photoshelter.com/image/PSC000875809 Soft or lacking definition Interpolation artifacts > http://psc.photoshelter.com/image/PSC000875904 Soft or lacking definition Interpolation artifacts > http://psc.photoshelter.com/image/PSC000843051 Soft or lacking definition (accepted by the first submission, rejected by the second) > > > > > Kemal Eksen > http://my.photoshelter.com/kemaleksen > http://www.gp724.com/kemaleksen > > > > > > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > |
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Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?All photos except the close-up of snow crystal were shot with
autofocus, and except the snow crystal and the nightshot you see all were shot in bright sunlight. I would like to ask Alamy contributors whether you use the default settings of Genuine Fractals to scale photos for Alamy, if not how do you adjust the settings? |
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Re: Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?Kemal, What camera or lens are you using? Your problem may be low quality equipment. The resolution quality of the glass you shoot through is more important than the number of pixels recorded. Valerie Henschel henschel@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Kemal Eksen To: STOCKPHOTO@... Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:12 AM Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection? All photos except the close-up of snow crystal were shot with autofocus, and except the snow crystal and the nightshot you see all were shot in bright sunlight. I would like to ask Alamy contributors whether you use the default settings of Genuine Fractals to scale photos for Alamy, if not how do you adjust the settings? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?I tested both Photoshop bicubic resize and Genuine Fractals, and saw
that GF really adds to the detail of the image, especially at edges with contrast, no wonder why Alamy rather prefers GF. I'm using it often for my video graphics job too, especially to scale low res logos. Thank you very much for your Photoshop techniques, I use batch process often, but didn't know how to use it with Bridge. Kemal Eksen http://my.photoshelter.com/kemaleksen http://www.gp724.com/kemaleksen --- In STOCKPHOTO@..., ycardozo@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/7/2008 8:20:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, > STOCKPHOTO@... writes: > > I would like to ask Alamy contributors whether you use the default > settings of Genuine Fractals to scale photos for Alamy, if not how do > you adjust the settings? > -------------------------------------------- > When Photoshop CS3 came out, the updated version of Genuine Fractals > working with my batch action, no matter what I did. After spending hours on > the phone with the GF tech guy, I gave up. I then asked pros in the > graphics/printing field if there was any serious quality difference btw the Photoshop > CS3 uprez (using bicubic smoother) and GF and the answer was...for small > uprezzing...no. "small" means pretty much anything you would do for alamy unless > you are shooting with a 6 pegapixel camera. > > Photoshop has a batch action built into the program. I now just set what I > want, making sure the horizontal and vertical amounts are equal so that > nothing will be squeezed or stretched, and go have a cup of coffee. I then check > each image since those that were cropped might wind up much too large or small. > I fix those few and the job is done. > > > > To do all of this: > 1. open both photoshop and bridge > 2. in bridge, highlight the photos you want to uprez > 3. in the upper tool bar, click on 'tools,' 'photoshop' and 'image > processor.' > this will open a palette in photoshop. put in the size you want > jpeg strength and make sure you put a number in the 'size to fit' boxes...i > use 5100) and hit go and get that coffee. > > > oh yes, make sure the default in your uprez is bicubic smoother > > > > > Yvette Cardozo > 14821 255 Ave SE > Issaquah, WA 98027 > phone: (425) 391-0770 > fax: (888) 726-8992 > _http://www.cardozohirsch.com_ (http://www.cardozohirsch.com/) > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?I have used Olympus C-7070 wide zoom for all by shooting for stock
(and Olympus WCON-07C .7x Wide Angle Converter Lens for wide angle shots, but I haven't sent any of them to Alamy) http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/c7070.html I know I have to switch to a DSLR for better results but I delayed until yet because of their prices and the (until recent) missing live preview (to visally see the exposure before shooting and not to crawl on the ground for close-ups) which now appears by some higher models of Olympus, Nikon and Canon. Do you think my camera is not decent for Alamy? Kemal Eksen http://my.photoshelter.com/kemaleksen http://www.gp724.com/kemaleksen --- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "Valerie Henschel" <henschel@...> wrote: > > > Kemal, > What camera or lens are you using? Your problem may be low quality equipment. The resolution quality of the glass you shoot through is more important than the number of pixels recorded. > > Valerie Henschel > henschel@... |
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Re: Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?Hi Kemal,
Still would be interested in knowing what equipment you are using, i.e, DSLR, D point and shoot, 35mm scans, lens size/speed, camera settings like auto/manual focus/exposure, etc. What settings did you use in Photoshop bicubic ? Bicubic, bicubic smoother, bicubic sharper, etc ? Interesting to see that Alamy and Photoshelter obviously have different QC requirements - if anybody has the exact same images with both, do they sell more with Alamy vs Photosheleter ? regards, Len Holsborg http://www.lenholsborg.com len@... -----Original Message----- From: Kemal Eksen <kemaleksen@...> To: STOCKPHOTO@... Sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 1:51 am Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection? I tested both Photoshop bicubic resize and Genuine Fractals, and saw that GF really adds to the detail of the image, especially at edges with contrast, no wonder why Alamy rather prefers GF. I'm using it often for my video graphics job too, especially to scale low res logos. Thank you very much for your Photoshop techniques, I use batch process often, but didn't know how to use it with Bridge. Kemal Eksen http://my.photoshelter.com/kemaleksen http://www.gp724.com/kemaleksen --- In STOCKPHOTO@..., ycardozo@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/7/2008 8:20:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, > STOCKPHOTO@... writes: > > I would like to ask Alamy contributors whether you use the default > settings of Genuine Fractals to scale photos for Alamy, if not how do > you adjust the settings? > -------------------------------------------- > When Photoshop CS3 came out, the updated version of Genuine Fractals > working with my batch action, no matter what I did. After spending hours on > the phone with the GF tech guy, I gave up. I then asked pros in the > graphics/printing field if there was any serious quality difference btw the Photoshop > CS3 uprez (using bicubic smoother) and GF and the answer was...for small > uprezzing...no. "small" means pretty much anything you would do for alamy unless > you are shooting with a 6 pegapixel camera. > > Photoshop has a batch action built into the program. I now just set what I > want, making sure the horizontal and vertical amounts are equal so that > nothing will be squeezed or stretched, and go have a cup of coffee. I then check > each image since those that were cropped might wind up much too large or small. > I fix those few and the job is done. > > > > To do all of this: > 1. open both photoshop and bridge > 2. in bridge, highlight the photos you want to uprez > 3. in the upper tool bar, click on 'tools,' 'photoshop' and 'image > processor.' > this will open a palette in photoshop. put in the size you want > jpeg strength and make sure you put a number in the 'size to fit' boxes...i > use 5100) and hit go and get that coffee. > > > oh yes, make sure the default in your uprez is bicubic smoother > > > > > Yvette Cardozo > 14821 255 Ave SE > Issaquah, WA 98027 > phone: (425) 391-0770 > fax: (888) 726-8992 > _http://www.cardozohirsch.com_ (http://www.cardozohirsch.com/) > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?Kemal,
Can't say whether the camera is decent or not. Not familiar with it, but checked a review of it at www.imaging-resource,com/prods/c7070/c70a11.htm It would appear that it might perform pretty well if the proper settings are used. You might want to read the review and make sure you avoid the poorer settings on the camera. Since stock is so competitive these days, high quality equipment and good shooting skills are just as important as ever, if not more so. The review rated the camera as sufficiently good for the enthusiast, but not high enough for the working pro. That combined with the need to resize your images may be a big part of the problem. Learning to see sharpness in an image is a skill that comes with time and experience. Even with my Nikon 2.8 lenses, I reject certain images because of lack of sharpness due to mirror shake, low light conditions, or hand held errors. I used to use a 10X high quality loupe, but now I judge images at 100% on the computer screen. And very few of the images shot on my pocket camera are of high enough quality before resizing to match my standards for stock. I rarely use it, but for casual family gatherings it is sufficient. The converter will decrease the image quality even more. I don't think you will get sufficient quality out of the images you shoot with it. Hope you work out your problems with resolution. Good luck. Valerie Henschel Step Ahead Photo henschel@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Kemal Eksen To: STOCKPHOTO@... Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:10 AM Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection? I have used Olympus C-7070 wide zoom for all by shooting for stock (and Olympus WCON-07C .7x Wide Angle Converter Lens for wide angle shots, but I haven't sent any of them to Alamy) http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/c7070.html I know I have to switch to a DSLR for better results but I delayed until yet because of their prices and the (until recent) missing live preview (to visally see the exposure before shooting and not to crawl on the ground for close-ups) which now appears by some higher models of Olympus, Nikon and Canon. Do you think my camera is not decent for Alamy? Kemal Eksen http://my.photoshelter.com/kemaleksen http://www.gp724.com/kemaleksen --- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "Valerie Henschel" <henschel@...> wrote: > > > Kemal, > What camera or lens are you using? Your problem may be low quality equipment. The resolution quality of the glass you shoot through is more important than the number of pixels recorded. > > Valerie Henschel > henschel@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?This is some sort of joke right Kemal? No, your Olympus will not
produce files suitable for Alamy or any other agency/library. Unless you photographing something extremely rare. Like the pope skinny dipping with Paris Hilton in that big fountain (Fontana di Trevi?) in Rome. That you can photograph with a 1 megapixel mobile phone camera and still sell it for millions of $. Your Olympus 7.1 Megapixel has a sensor that measures a whopping 1/1.8 " (7.18 x 5.32 mm). Compared to the Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT (a.k.a. 350D) 8.0 Megapixel, that costs roughly US$400 but has a sensor that measures 22.2 x 14.8 mm. Do you see the huge difference in sensor size even though the number of megapixels are close? Megapixels by itself is just meaningless marketing drivel. Megapixels in relation to the size of the sensor is something very different. With digital cameras you can compare the sensor size to the size of the negative/transparency of film. Your Olympus is like microfiche, The Canon 350D somewhere close to 35mm and the Canon and Nikon flagship models are close to, in some cases better, than medium format film. Save up your money, buy a 8 (minimum) megapixel DSLR and good quality glass and build your equipment up slowly as the money start coming in. You don't need to start out with a Canon 1Ds Mark III and a 70-200/2.8L IS but you can also not start out with equipment that is so far below the quality requirements that you'll keep getting rejected over and over again. Regards Mike ____________________________________ Mikael Karlsson mike@... www.arrestingimages.com We supply some of the finest publishers in the United States with quality contemporary images of law enforcement, prison, forensics, court and similar topics. On May 9, 2008, at 3:10 AM, Kemal Eksen wrote: > I have used Olympus C-7070 wide zoom for all by shooting for stock > (and Olympus WCON-07C .7x Wide Angle Converter Lens for wide angle > shots, but I haven't sent any of them to Alamy) > http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/c7070.html > > I know I have to switch to a DSLR for better results but I delayed > until yet because of their prices and the (until recent) missing live > preview (to visally see the exposure before shooting and not to crawl > on the ground for close-ups) which now appears by some higher models > of Olympus, Nikon and Canon. > > Do you think my camera is not decent for Alamy? > > Kemal Eksen > http://my.photoshelter.com/kemaleksen > http://www.gp724.com/kemaleksen > > --- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "Valerie Henschel" <henschel@...> > wrote: > > > > > > Kemal, > > What camera or lens are you using? Your problem may be low > quality equipment. The resolution quality of the glass you shoot > through is more important than the number of pixels recorded. > > > > Valerie Henschel > > henschel@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Mikael Karlsson <mike@...> wrote:
> > This is some sort of joke right Kemal? No, your Olympus will not > produce files suitable for Alamy or any other agency/library. Well, despite shooting loads for Alamy on DSLRs from 6 to 14 megapixels, the highest sales rate per shot accepted (and none have been rejected - ever) comes from my Konica Minolta A2 2/3rds sensor 8 megapixel consumer bridge cam. It makes slightly larger 56MB files which produce bigger thumbnails. The Oly is totally suitable as long as care is taken with raw conversion. David |
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Re: Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?David:
Your Konica Minolta with the 2/3rds sensor is quite a bit larger than a 1/1.8 sensor of the Olympus in question. I don't know if you follow the discussions over at the Alamy forums but quite often when people complain that they can't get their images through QC it is because they are using a small sensor camera and shooting JPG. I plead guilty to speed-reading through the post but couldn't see Kemal mentioning anywhere that he shoots in RAW so I assumed he was using JPG. Also, since the Olympus seems to be Kemal's only camera that his shooting technique might be slightly less evolved than yours? I'm not saying this as an insult to Kemal in any way shape or form but a pro that is used to shooting will routinely do better with a "consumer grade" digicam simply because of better technique. Has more to do with experience than anything else. Pardon the pun but it's like shooting with a handgun. My wife is no doubt far more intelligent than I am. She can make sense of and explains sales tax laws to CPAs and businesses for a living. Some of the contract-work I do requires me to carry so I have to be certified with a handgun every year. My wife has fired a gun ten times in her life. Naturally I'll out-shoot her at the range any day of the week. But not because I'm smarter, better, or have a better gun - simply because I'm used to in, have the technique nailed down, and have done it so many times than I know what to expect from my actions. I'm not a gun-nut btw. Far from it. I also admit guilt to clumsy wording in my e-mail yesterday. Just out of curiosity though, the 56MB files you're talking about from your K/M are 16-bit Tiffs right? Otherwise I think I might have woken up in a completely different universe from the one I went to bed in last night... Regards Mike ____________________________________ Mikael Karlsson mike@... www.arrestingimages.com We supply some of the finest publishers in the United States with quality contemporary images of law enforcement, prison, forensics, court and similar topics. On May 9, 2008, at 8:21 PM, David Kilpatrick wrote: > --- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Mikael Karlsson <mike@...> wrote: > > > > This is some sort of joke right Kemal? No, your Olympus will not > > produce files suitable for Alamy or any other agency/library. > > Well, despite shooting loads for Alamy on DSLRs from 6 to 14 > megapixels, the highest sales rate per shot accepted (and none have > been rejected - ever) comes from my Konica Minolta A2 2/3rds sensor 8 > megapixel consumer bridge cam. > > It makes slightly larger 56MB files which produce bigger thumbnails. > > The Oly is totally suitable as long as care is taken with raw > conversion. > > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Mikael Karlsson <mike@...> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity though, the 56MB files you're talking about > from your K/M are 16-bit Tiffs right? Otherwise I think I might have > woken up in a completely different universe from the one I went to > bed in last night... No, they are the normal 8-bit export to Alamy size. 5120 pixels wide, via ACR/CS3 upsizing directly from raw. I never work with 16-bit TIFFs, I don't have 16-bit eyes and I don't mess around much with tonal values except at the raw conversion stage. I am not using the A2 much now but last week I decided to take it to a concert (easier not to be thrown out) and I'd forgotten about its amazingly good movie with sound facility. I did a few still shots as well and considering the age of the camera, and the limits of the sensor, they have worked out very well. I'm going to try them with Alamy, they will be the first ISO 200 shots I've ever put forward for QC though. David |
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Re: Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?Sorry David,
My mistake, I thought you meant that you got the files 56MB straight out of the camera, that's what puzzled me slightly. Still hadn't had quite enough caffeine when I wrote that e-mail it seems. Regards Mike ____________________________________ Mikael Karlsson mike@... www.arrestingimages.com We supply some of the finest publishers in the United States with quality contemporary images of law enforcement, prison, forensics, court and similar topics. On May 10, 2008, at 9:15 AM, David Kilpatrick wrote: > --- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Mikael Karlsson <mike@...> wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity though, the 56MB files you're talking about > > from your K/M are 16-bit Tiffs right? Otherwise I think I might have > > woken up in a completely different universe from the one I went to > > bed in last night... > > No, they are the normal 8-bit export to Alamy size. 5120 pixels wide, > via ACR/CS3 upsizing directly from raw. I never work with 16-bit > TIFFs, I don't have 16-bit eyes and I don't mess around much with > tonal values except at the raw conversion stage. > > I am not using the A2 much now but last week I decided to take it to a > concert (easier not to be thrown out) and I'd forgotten about its > amazingly good movie with sound facility. I did a few still shots as > well and considering the age of the camera, and the limits of the > sensor, they have worked out very well. > > I'm going to try them with Alamy, they will be the first ISO 200 shots > I've ever put forward for QC though. > > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?> This is some sort of joke right Kemal? No, your Olympus will not
> produce files suitable for Alamy or any other agency/library. I must say that your response was a bit depressing yet enlightening for me. I don't agree completely with you as my photos are already accepted as RM to Photoshelter collection and GP724 and I guess I can find some other agencies who welcome photos from a 7MP SLR-like camera. I would feel glad for any suggestion from the group. On the other hand I will speed up my switch to DSLR too. About shooting Raw, I seldom do, because the time the camera needs to save, the space it takes in the card and simply because I seldom experiment with the white balance later or convert the picture to HDR unless there are tricky lighting conditions. Is there so much difference between Jpeg image converted from Raw and the Jpeg shot by high quality settings of the camera? Kemal Eksen http://my.photoshelter.com/kemaleksen http://www.gp724.com/kemaleksen |
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Re: Re: "Soft or lacking definition": Typical Alamy rejection?Kemal:
Yes, there's a huge difference in between shooting in RAW compared to JPG. In most cameras (I don't know the specifics of yours) when you shoot in JPG the camera will apply sharpening, saturation, color balance and other settings that are much better (quality-wise) applied much later in the digital workflow process. Try shooting RAW. That might do the trick with Alamy. Remember David's reply on how he got images from his Konica/Minolta through with careful RAW processing? If space (as in space on a memory card) is what stops you send me an e-mail of list with your postal address and I'll send you free of charge a 2GB CF card so you can at least try it out. No need to return the card to me if it doesn't work out for you. Regards Mike ____________________________________ Mikael Karlsson mike@... www.arrestingimages.com We supply some of the finest publishers in the United States with quality contemporary images of law enforcement, prison, forensics, court and similar topics. On May 12, 2008, at 7:12 AM, Kemal Eksen wrote: > > This is some sort of joke right Kemal? No, your Olympus will not > > produce files suitable for Alamy or any other agency/library. > > I must say that your response was a bit depressing yet enlightening > for me. I don't agree completely with you as my photos are already > accepted as RM to Photoshelter collection and GP724 and I guess I can > find some other agencies who welcome photos from a 7MP SLR-like > camera. I would feel glad for any suggestion from the group. > On the other hand I will speed up my switch to DSLR too. > > About shooting Raw, I seldom do, because the time the camera needs to > save, the space it takes in the card and simply because I seldom > experiment with the white balance later or convert the picture to HDR > unless there are tricky lighting conditions. Is there so much > difference between Jpeg image converted from Raw and the Jpeg shot by > high quality settings of the camera? > > Kemal Eksen > http://my.photoshelter.com/kemaleksen > http://www.gp724.com/kemaleksen > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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